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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/12/2008 11:55:09 PM
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iSERVEaJEW
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I wanted to stay away, but I wanted to ask some questions before I leave.
Can a woman Biblically divorce her husband? Why?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 12:02:23 AM
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Lk. 16:17"But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.
18"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 12:02:32 AM
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I wanted to stay away, but I wanted to ask some questions before I leave.
Can a woman Biblically divorce her husband? Why?
No:
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? 6 "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
Romans 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? 2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.
1 Corinthians 7: 10-13 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.
1 Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 12:25:00 AM
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The simple answer is that the Bible says that it is a man who divorces his wife and gives her the certificate of divorce (Deuteronomy 24:1).
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"We WERE born into sin and practiced lawlessness because our father WAS the devil, but If we have been born of God, then His Spirit has cleansed us from our unrighteousness and written His Laws on our hearts and minds through the regeneration of His Spirit. That means that we have repented of all of our sins, including adultery, and no longer practice lawlessness. Those who love their sin more than they love Him will never know Him and have no inheritance in His Kingdom."
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The quote above is from the website you link in your signature, Mr. SealedEternal. Do you think that people like me who have divorced our adulterous wives are barred from heaven if we never "repent"?
We are supposed to stick to the topic and not personalize the issue, but in answer to your question the Bible is clear that those who continue in adultery will not inherit God's Kingdom:
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
I Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such WERE some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
1 John 2:3-6 By this WE KNOW that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
John 14:15-21 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. "After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
1 John 3:7-10 Little children, MAKE SURE NO ONE DECEIVES YOU; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 12:27:25 AM
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I wanted to stay away, but I wanted to ask some questions before I leave.
Can a woman Biblically divorce her husband? Why?
It appears in the text of Mt. 19:9 that the "put away" woman has no recourse when her husband commits adultery. They are not free to marry another, though her husband is committing adultery. (Mk.10)Jesus specifically addresses woman putting away their husbands and tells them that if they do and then marries another, they will commit adultery. In I cor. 7:10-11 we see Paul discussing a woman "departing"...........in the same breath he tells her by command of the Lord, she is to remain UNMARRIED, or reconcile with her husband..........so if you are viewing divorce as something separative (bed and board) and not as something which dissolves the union God joined together, then there is evidence that a woman can "depart", but she is not permitted to marry another while her husband lives (Rom. 7:2-3, I cor. 7:39).
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 12:34:22 AM
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Do you think that someone who has divorced their adulterous wife and married again is guilty of adultery and condemned to hell if they do not repent?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 12:39:22 AM
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Do you think that someone who has divorced their adulterous wife and married again is guilty of adultery and condemned to hell if they do not repent?
All sin condemns us to hell if we choose to live in it rather than making Him our Lord.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 12:46:20 AM
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Do you think that someone who has divorced their adulterous wife and married again is guilty of adultery and condemned to hell if they do not repent?
Insert any sin and ask yourself the same question.................homosexuality, drunkenness, idolatry, covetousness, thievery, etc, etc............If one does not repent, but continues in sin, is the "fruit" of their life (lawlessness)indicative of a genuine believer?
Jesus said in Mt. 7:21-23 that MANY shall come to me in that day, saying, "Lord, Lord" and professing many "spiritual" works in His name. He declares such "workers of lawlessness/iniquity" and tells them to depart from Him. Are such workers of lawlessness saved-----those who have a "form of godliness" yet deny the power thereof?
If one tells that surely God would not want one to "suffer" and surely God is ok with forsaking a wayward spouse that He has joined one too, is this walking in the power of God, or is this having a "form of godliness, yet denying the power (to live righteously and by His love in faith)?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 12:47:19 AM
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Do you think that someone who has divorced their adulterous wife and married again is guilty of adultery and condemned to hell if they do not repent?
All sin condemns us to hell if we choose to live in it rather than making Him our Lord.
SealedEternal
The website you quote in your signature says that someone like me is an adulterer and that I am going to hell if I don't repent. Did you realise that?
I am not permitted to discuss your situation, but Jesus said that "everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery" and His word says that adulterers who do not repent of their adultery, will not come to know Him, and cannot inherit His Kingdom.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 1:30:09 AM
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iSERVEaJEW,
SealedEternal is correct, no one is allowed to discuss their personal experience. In case you have missed the Admin nudge on this, I am reposting it for you here now...
ADMIN'S NOTE :: ATTENTION PLEASE
To everyone,
The purpose of this thread is to dicuss the TOPIC of divorce.
It is NOT for the purpose of discussing YOUR divorce.
I have found that people who post with statements like, "so because I divorced my spouse I am now forever a sinner and never to be forgiven?" are opening themselves up to being hurt or hurting someone else.
If you are not able to participate in this topic without discussing the experience of YOUR divorce then I must request that you stay out of the thread.
Posts which ignore this warning will be removed without warning and may result in other action in accordance with the Terms of Service.
Thank you for your attention, understanding, and cooperation.
Please do not reply to this message within the Community.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 9:02:50 AM
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That is the hardest part of this thread I believe. Not getting personal. There is the theory and then there is what we see. I see first marriages that are horrible, some that are wonderful. Marriages following a divorce that prove that the person still chose badly and some that show the wonderful mercy and grace of God.
But we can't speak of our own personal experiences. There are other places to bring it up but not to debate it.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 10:58:52 AM
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I wanted to stay away, but I wanted to ask some questions before I leave.
Can a woman Biblically divorce her husband? Why?
My opinion would be yes a woman can biblically divorce her husband. One such allusion in scripture to such a divorce would be in 1 Co. 7 when a woman was permitted to remarry in the case of abandonment by a unbelieving spouse i.e. without a certificate of divorce. Within Judaism, a woman could initiate a divorce, but the husband was always the one to give the certificate of divorce. However, within Judaism a husband who would not give a certificate of divorce to a wife who had asked for one, could be coursed by the community by being shunned or even beaten until he was willing to do so.
On a slightly different note, I do believe that a husband has a greater responsibility before God when a marriage fails because he has been given the role to provide Godly leadership for the marriage.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 11:23:05 AM
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Do you think that someone who has divorced their adulterous wife and married again is guilty of adultery and condemned to hell if they do not repent?
This is one of the areas where those on this forum who teach "no remarriage ever" differ significantly from almost the entire Christian church. Many churches believe that any remarriage that began following biblical guidelines is not sinful i.e. are not adulterous. For those that are entered sinfully (and many are), most believe that repentance never requires someone to divorce, but rather requires them to be faithful and honor the marriage covenant they are now in. Most believe that choosing to divorce again would still require clear biblical grounds or it would be just as sinful and wrong as it would be in a first marriage.
However, those who teach "no remarriage ever" on this forum believe:
1) All "covenant" marriages causes both spouses to be bound to that marriage for life as long as both spouses live regardless of adultery, abandonment, divorce, remarriage, whether either spouse was or is a believer, whether divorce happened before or after conversion, etc... A marriage is defined by them as a valid "covenant" marriage if both spouses have never been in a prior "covenant" marriage.
2) "Any spouse that is remarried (according to the state) while still being bound by a "covenant" marriage to someone else will go to Hell unless they in repentance abandon the relationship or their original spouse dies. Those who have abandoned such a relationship are strongly encouraged to pursue a legal divorce as an acknowledgment that they have truly repented."
In other words they believe that everyone who has remarried is going to Hell with the following exceptions.
1) If your prior spouse dies before you do when you have remained in a remarriage, you can be saved.
2) If your prior spouse had been married before they married you, then you can remarry someone who has never been married, and still be saved.
3) If you divorce before you die, you can be saved.
4) if your current spouse dies before you do, you can be saved; however, your current spouse will go to Hell.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 11:54:11 AM
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Do you think that someone who has divorced their adulterous wife and married again is guilty of adultery and condemned to hell if they do not repent?
This is one of the areas where those on this forum who teach "no remarriage ever" differ significantly from almost the entire Christian church. Many churches believe that any remarriage that began following biblical guidelines is not sinful i.e. are not adulterous. For those that are entered sinfully (and many are), most believe that repentance never requires someone to divorce, but rather requires them to be faithful and honor the marriage covenant they are now in. Most believe that choosing to divorce again would still require clear biblical grounds or it would be just as sinful and wrong as it would be in a first marriage.
However, those who teach "no remarriage ever" on this forum believe:
1) All "covenant" marriages causes both spouses to be bound to that marriage for life as long as both spouses live regardless of adultery, abandonment, divorce, remarriage, whether either spouse was or is a believer, whether divorce happened before or after conversion, etc... A marriage is defined by them as a valid "covenant" marriage if both spouses have never been in a prior "covenant" marriage.
2) "Any spouse that is remarried (according to the state) while still being bound by a "covenant" marriage to someone else will go to Hell unless they in repentance abandon the relationship or their original spouse dies. Those who have abandoned such a relationship are strongly encouraged to pursue a legal divorce as an acknowledgment that they have truly repented."
In other words they believe that everyone who has remarried is going to Hell with the following exceptions.
1) If your prior spouse dies before you do when you have remained in a remarriage, you can be saved.
2) If your prior spouse had been married before they married you, then you can remarry someone who has never been married, and still be saved.
3) If you divorce before you die, you can be saved.
4) if your current spouse dies before you do, you can be saved; however, your current spouse will go to Hell.
Wow..it seems so much simpler the way Jesus actually taught it, doesn't it?!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 3:21:14 PM
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Wow..it seems so much simpler the way Jesus actually taught it, doesn't it?!
Yes it is:
Matthew 5:31-32 "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? 6 "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
I don't know how He could have said it any more clearly.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 3:29:08 PM
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However, those who teach "no remarriage ever" on this forum believe:
1) All "covenant" marriages causes both spouses to be bound to that marriage for life as long as both spouses live regardless of adultery, abandonment, divorce, remarriage, whether either spouse was or is a believer, whether divorce happened before or after conversion, etc... A marriage is defined by them as a valid "covenant" marriage if both spouses have never been in a prior "covenant" marriage.
2) "Any spouse that is remarried (according to the state) while still being bound by a "covenant" marriage to someone else will go to Hell unless they in repentance abandon the relationship or their original spouse dies. Those who have abandoned such a relationship are strongly encouraged to pursue a legal divorce as an acknowledgment that they have truly repented."
In other words they believe that everyone who has remarried is going to Hell with the following exceptions.
1) If your prior spouse dies before you do when you have remained in a remarriage, you can be saved.
2) If your prior spouse had been married before they married you, then you can remarry someone who has never been married, and still be saved.
3) If you divorce before you die, you can be saved.
4) if your current spouse dies before you do, you can be saved; however, your current spouse will go to Hell.
I don't know why you attempt to make our position more complicated than it needs to be:
Anyone who divorces and attempts to remarry has entered into adultery (Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18, Romans 7:3), because they are joined to their original spouse by God (Matthew 19:5, Mark 10:7, Ephesians 5:31), and they had become one flesh. So the original couple is no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, we cannot separate (Matthew 19:6, Mark 10:8, Romans 7:2, 1 Corinthians 7:39), and thus the attempt to remarry only results in an adulterous relationship and not a legal marriage (Matthew 5:31-32, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18, Romans 7:3). Adultery is a sin and by definition not a marriage, and never becomes a marriage no matter how long one continues to practice it, so unless the adulterer repents of their adultery and makes Christ their Lord, they have no inheritance in His Kingdom (Hebrews 13:4, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 3:7-10).
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 3:36:00 PM
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My opinion would be yes a woman can biblically divorce her husband. One such allusion in scripture to such a divorce would be in 1 Co. 7 when a woman was permitted to remarry in the case of abandonment by a unbelieving spouse i.e. without a certificate of divorce. Within Judaism, a woman could initiate a divorce, but the husband was always the one to give the certificate of divorce. However, within Judaism a husband who would not give a certificate of divorce to a wife who had asked for one, could be coursed by the community by being shunned or even beaten until he was willing to do so.
On a slightly different note, I do believe that a husband has a greater responsibility before God when a marriage fails because he has been given the role to provide Godly leadership for the marriage.
When you speak of "Judaism" are you referring to the Old Testament scriptures, or the rabbinical man made traditions that are not found in the Bible? I ask because I don't recall any of that being stated in the Word of God.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 3:50:40 PM
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What a shame that 349 pages of comments complicate a simple rule from Jesus Christ.
He says simply, that adultery is grounds for divorce.
No adultery = no grounds
Adultery=grounds
Simple enough for a child.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 3:54:27 PM
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Do you think that someone who has divorced their adulterous wife and married again is guilty of adultery and condemned to hell if they do not repent?
This is one of the areas where those on this forum who teach "no remarriage ever" differ significantly from almost the entire Christian church. Many churches believe that any remarriage that began following biblical guidelines is not sinful i.e. are not adulterous. For those that are entered sinfully (and many are), most believe that repentance never requires someone to divorce, but rather requires them to be faithful and honor the marriage covenant they are now in. Most believe that choosing to divorce again would still require clear biblical grounds or it would be just as sinful and wrong as it would be in a first marriage.
However, those who teach "no remarriage ever" on this forum believe:
1) All "covenant" marriages causes both spouses to be bound to that marriage for life as long as both spouses live regardless of adultery, abandonment, divorce, remarriage, whether either spouse was or is a believer, whether divorce happened before or after conversion, etc... A marriage is defined by them as a valid "covenant" marriage if both spouses have never been in a prior "covenant" marriage.
2) "Any spouse that is remarried (according to the state) while still being bound by a "covenant" marriage to someone else will go to Hell unless they in repentance abandon the relationship or their original spouse dies. Those who have abandoned such a relationship are strongly encouraged to pursue a legal divorce as an acknowledgment that they have truly repented."
In other words they believe that everyone who has remarried is going to Hell with the following exceptions.
1) If your prior spouse dies before you do when you have remained in a remarriage, you can be saved.
2) If your prior spouse had been married before they married you, then you can remarry someone who has never been married, and still be saved.
3) If you divorce before you die, you can be saved.
4) if your current spouse dies before you do, you can be saved; however, your current spouse will go to Hell.
Wow..it seems so much simpler the way Jesus actually taught it, doesn't it?!
Much simpler and so much more reflective of the Gospel message as a whole.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 3:56:49 PM
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keepitreal
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Do you think that someone who has divorced their adulterous wife and married again is guilty of adultery and condemned to hell if they do not repent?
This is one of the areas where those on this forum who teach "no remarriage ever" differ significantly from almost the entire Christian church. Many churches believe that any remarriage that began following biblical guidelines is not sinful i.e. are not adulterous. For those that are entered sinfully (and many are), most believe that repentance never requires someone to divorce, but rather requires them to be faithful and honor the marriage covenant they are now in. Most believe that choosing to divorce again would still require clear biblical grounds or it would be just as sinful and wrong as it would be in a first marriage.
However, those who teach "no remarriage ever" on this forum believe:
1) All "covenant" marriages causes both spouses to be bound to that marriage for life as long as both spouses live regardless of adultery, abandonment, divorce, remarriage, whether either spouse was or is a believer, whether divorce happened before or after conversion, etc... A marriage is defined by them as a valid "covenant" marriage if both spouses have never been in a prior "covenant" marriage.
2) "Any spouse that is remarried (according to the state) while still being bound by a "covenant" marriage to someone else will go to Hell unless they in repentance abandon the relationship or their original spouse dies. Those who have abandoned such a relationship are strongly encouraged to pursue a legal divorce as an acknowledgment that they have truly repented."
In other words they believe that everyone who has remarried is going to Hell with the following exceptions.
1) If your prior spouse dies before you do when you have remained in a remarriage, you can be saved.
2) If your prior spouse had been married before they married you, then you can remarry someone who has never been married, and still be saved.
3) If you divorce before you die, you can be saved.
4) if your current spouse dies before you do, you can be saved; however, your current spouse will go to Hell.
Wow..it seems so much simpler the way Jesus actually taught it, doesn't it?!
Much simpler and so much more reflective of the Gospel message as a whole.
Amen!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 4:02:05 PM
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You can't interpret the words of our Master in a vacuum.
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Much simpler and so much more reflective of the Gospel message as a whole.
I agree with you both and this is why I replied to lastblast and said we should use the WHOLE Bible instead of just picking and pulling a few verses out. Their way is dangerous and destructive.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 4:27:24 PM
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What a shame that 349 pages of comments complicate a simple rule from Jesus Christ.
He says simply, that adultery is grounds for divorce.
No He actually said that adultery is the sin one commits when they divorce and remarry and does not say that it is grounds to do so:
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
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No adultery = no grounds
Adultery=grounds
Simple enough for a child.
Divorce and remarry = commit adultery
Marry someone divorced = commit adultery
Simple enough for a child.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 4:39:12 PM
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No matter how many pages you use to make your point, I choose to believe Jesus Himself.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 4:54:04 PM
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SealedEternal
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No matter how many pages you use to make your point, I choose to believe Jesus Himself.
That's all I am trying to convince people to do:
Matthew 5:31-32 "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? 6 "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 4/13/2008 7:34:46 PM
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