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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/18/2006 5:56:34 PM
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phosadaud
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I have a panic disorder and have battled depression on and off pretty much my entire life. I am VERY good at hiding it and even in the deepest throws of depression, I can still function and even "have fun". So, yes, you can have "good days" in a depression.
I also think that one of the reasons you see people who "totally recovery" from mental illness is because some of them were not mentally ill in the first place. It's one of the reasons I think medications have gotten a bad name. People who are just dealing with the ups and downs of life using medication to "deal" with life versus someone who is genuinely suffering from a medical mental health issue. I don't think most people understand the difference between a depression caused by circumstance (a death in the family or really poor working conditions) versus depressions related to mental health problems. I think that's part of the reasons we have all heard the "great" advice to "just think happy thoughts" and "just trust God". Uh, duh! I kinda have to do that just to get through the day!  I still remember telling my doctor that it was that easy, I wouldn't be sitting in his office! 
As for demonic stuff - haven't really studied this, but I would think that while some demonic stuff could have aspects in common with some mental illness, I have a hard time believing that demonic possession would have a "check-list" of symptoms like schizophrenia, bi-polar, etc. What I mean is that these mental illnesses are diagnosed because the person exhibits are certain pattern of symptoms. I guess, I would imagine that's NOT how demonic possession operates. In addition, demonic possession leads to rejection and revulsion of God. Mental illness often draws people TO God. That seems incompatible with demonic possession and oppression.
In addition, the descriptions of demonic possession in Scripture (as brief as they are) just don't seem to "match up" with mental illness. Jesus actually physically spoke to "Legion". It does not indicate he was speaking to the person - rather to a separate entity.
This is all speculation on my part, and I'm just rambling now. Hope it's not too "out there"!
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/18/2006 6:38:11 PM
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Hey, i don't think you're too "out there" at all!
Finally a post I mostly agree with!
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/26/2006 11:39:27 PM
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kygal
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for panic disorder sufferers-do any of you get a feeling of unreality in and around the most familiar of settings?
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 12:11:28 PM
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Diolectic
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What are your views on these?
1) self esteam:
Do we need it?
Reject it?
Non-subject?
Other...
2) to love ones self first berfore being able to love others:
True?
False?
Non-subject?
Other...
3) to forgive ones self
Do we need it?
Reject it?
Non-subject?
Other...
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 1:22:13 PM
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phosadaud
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for panic disorder sufferers-do any of you get a feeling of unreality in and around the most familiar of settings?
Could you explain more? Are you asking if we feel "removed" from familiarity - like we're in a foreign place? If so, then not me. Of course, my panics attacks were generally at night when I was trying to get to sleep or was asleep. Or are you asking if the panic attack felt unreal - kinda of like our bodies take over even though our minds don't get why. In that sense - yes. I would get so frustrated because even though I KNEW what I was experiencing was completely irrational, my body just kind of took over. The panic attack just "took over" and came out of nowhere. I felt totally out of control - like I was losing it.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 1:45:08 PM
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agapetos
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Diolectic
What are your views on these?
1) self esteam:
Do we need it?
Reject it?
Non-subject?
Other...
2) to love ones self first berfore being able to love others:
True?
False?
Non-subject?
Other...
3) to forgive ones self
Do we need it?
Reject it?
Non-subject?
Other...
Why are you asking? I'm wondering what it has to do with the topic.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 2:14:00 PM
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phosadaud
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quote:
ORIGINAL: agapetos
quote:
ORIGINAL: Diolectic
What are your views on these?
1) self esteam:
Do we need it?
Reject it?
Non-subject?
Other...
2) to love ones self first berfore being able to love others:
True?
False?
Non-subject?
Other...
3) to forgive ones self
Do we need it?
Reject it?
Non-subject?
Other...
Why are you asking? I'm wondering what it has to do with the topic.
My guess is he's trying to be a troll, which is why I ignored it....
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 2:14:04 PM
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womaninchrist
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That's what I was wondering too. Esp. considering his typical post in this thread was little more than accusations and argument nearing the point of questioning our Christianity. All I can figure is that it's an attempt to draw us back onto some sort of agenda, for some reason I'm doubting it's purely just honest questions.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 3:54:38 PM
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Diolectic
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quote:
ORIGINAL: agapetos
quote:
ORIGINAL: Diolectic
What are your views on these?
1) self esteam:
Do we need it?
Reject it?
Non-subject?
Other...
2) to love ones self first berfore being able to love others:
True?
False?
Non-subject?
Other...
3) to forgive ones self
Do we need it?
Reject it?
Non-subject?
Other...
Why are you asking? I'm wondering what it has to do with the topic.
I think that the most beautiful lies of the world are in which cristians believe are:
1) self esteam
2) to love ones self first berfore being able to love others
3) to forgive ones self
Self esteem is very subtle. The peoplpe who think that they have low self esteem are the ones who have to high of esteem for them selves than that of reality. if thay would just accept themselvs as God created them. they would be humble and walk in humiliy.
Loveing ones self first berfore being able to love others. This impleis that one does not love ones self. The truth of the matter is that they do love themselves and God knows that they already do.
Mar 12:31 The second most important commandment is this: 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself.' There is no other commandment more important than these two."
In fact, it is imposible to hate your self. If you did, you would love when bad things happen to you, but then you would'nt do those bad things to yourself because you love it when it happens. Then you would hate that because nothing bad is happening to your self.
It is just imposible to hate your self
To forgive ones self is also imposible. To fogive someone is to cancel a debt or to pay off someones debt. How can you cancell your own debt or even pay what you owe yourself?
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 4:07:58 PM
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phosadaud
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Again, what does this have to do with mental health issues?
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 4:43:38 PM
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 8:48:17 PM
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JamesPr
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The best way to deal with depression is to go out and do something. Join a club. Play a sport. Don't sit on your behind all day as things pass you by. (This is from someone who used to be so massively depressed he was affected cognitively.)
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/27/2006 11:07:21 PM
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kygal
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I feel like I am viewing a movie-unreality. Its actually harder to explain. But thanks for your reply:)
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/28/2006 6:57:16 AM
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agapetos
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The best way to deal with depression is to go out and do something. Join a club. Play a sport. Don't sit on your behind all day as things pass you by. (This is from someone who used to be so massively depressed he was affected cognitively.)
Getting out and doing something is important.
So is learning about depression and learning how to change our thinking about it.
Sometimes this can be done without meds, sometimes meds help us to think about things a little bit more clearly.
Meds aren't a cure, but they may help short term so that we can get out and do something, or retrain or minds etc.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/28/2006 1:58:55 PM
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phosadaud
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I feel like I am viewing a movie-unreality. Its actually harder to explain. But thanks for your reply:)
Have you been to a doctor? What you are saying is a genuine symptom - I just haven't experienced it as a part of a panic disorder (at least not mine). It is part of other disorders though and can even be from medical conditions (for instance, certain types of seizures). Basically what I'm saying is, you don't have to feel this way - get it checked out! My prayers are going out to you and hope you find an answer!
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 4/28/2006 2:47:52 PM
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womaninchrist
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Kygal, please do consult a doctor about this. What you're describing sounds a bit like dissociation or even absence seizures or seizure/migraine auras (and those are just the guesses from things they've checked me for or diagnosed me with). Phosadaud's right, whatever it is, you don't need to feel that way and you can be helped with proper diagnosis and treatment.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 5/1/2006 12:43:00 AM
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janvaneyck
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Kygal - have you sought out help yet? I know exactly how you feel, if it is dissasociation (sic). I was diagnosed temporarily with seizures before my real diagnosis.
Please see a doctor - I was put on meds and that nipped it in the bud for me.
Let us know how you're doing.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 5/4/2006 6:56:27 PM
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Hischild1994
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for panic disorder sufferers-do any of you get a feeling of unreality in and around the most familiar of settings?
Sometimes.
Most of the time, I just start having a hard time breathing, feel like I'll faint or be sick or sometimes I feel like I'm about to crawl out of my skin.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 5/4/2006 7:02:27 PM
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Hischild1994
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The best way to deal with depression is to go out and do something. Join a club. Play a sport. Don't sit on your behind all day as things pass you by. (This is from someone who used to be so massively depressed he was affected cognitively.)
There is a lot of truth in your post, but there are those of us who are working full time, raising a family and seeking counseling/meds and are still struggling.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 5/6/2006 7:05:10 AM
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for panic disorder sufferers-do any of you get a feeling of unreality in and around the most familiar of settings?
Yup. It's a common symptom of anxiety and panic. You can PM me if you want to talk about it. I've had these kinds of feelings for years associated with anxiety.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 5/11/2006 1:36:09 PM
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phosadaud
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Sounds great! I think the more who speak up, the more stereotypes will be tossed away - AND hopefully more people who are suffering will seek help!
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 5/12/2006 11:01:33 AM
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Invisible_Woman
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Sounds great! I think the more who speak up, the more stereotypes will be tossed away - AND hopefully more people who are suffering will seek help!
That's exactly how I feel too.
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RE: Mental Health Issues - One Stop Thread - 6/6/2006 3:28:29 PM
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There is still nothing about ego in the Bible.
Ego is just another word for pride and it is most certainly mentioned in the Bible. Read:
Leviticus 26:19 I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. (NIV)
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