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What issue is the most important to you in this next election?
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| Economy |
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| Wars in Iraq and/or Afghanistan |
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| Abortion |
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| Education |
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| Health Care (includes insurance and law suit reforms) |
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| Gay Marriage |
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| U.S. Border Security (includes threats from immigration & terrorism) |
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| Other Issue (please specify) |
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 3:24:28 PM
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stamper_ben
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Marriage should be an option for everyone. The government doesn't have the right to tell its people who they can and can not marry. So if Peter wants to marry Prissilla who is already married to Martha and then they want the cattle in the back forty to be included in this sacred union... How does that work?
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 3:25:53 PM
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Death Row inmates should be allowed 1 appeal and after that, the punishment should be enforced.
This would be my view also.
I would be more lenient as to give them a one year time in order to
appeal and prove they are innocent. After that, execute them.
My b-i-l was murdered. His murderer was on death row for 22 years.
He ended up committing suicide or may still be there. My b-i-l was a policeman.
And for those who were actually innocent, that happens.
I am asked what if I were one of those? That's part of it, I would say.
There are no perfect systems. But dismantling what is right is worse.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 3:30:26 PM
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We have seven voting on Economy.
Six on abortion.
One on border patrol and terrorism.
and three other (which includes "all the above")
Do we really decide on something so serious by one issue?
As was stated, I guess the issue of Judges could be one such cause.
As the Judges go, so goes the other issues.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 3:50:43 PM
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and three other (which includes "all the above") No. My "other" vote did not include all of the above. It was meant for Supreme Court appointments. Period.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 3:51:51 PM
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Lapidoth
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and three other (which includes "all the above") No. My "other" vote did not include all of the above. It was meant for Supreme Court appointments. Period.
Sorry, my mistake.
Senior memory lapse.
Thanks for correcting me.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 4:27:07 PM
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Step back a second.
You can't say what issue is most important in this presidential election without knowing what the president can do.
He cannot eliminate abortion or stop gay marriage on his own. He really cannot do much. Judges is one thing on the federal level. He heads the federal beurocracy.
The most important thing a president does is..lead...and neither of these candidates can do this.
So, yes, its judges. Its also leadership and while neither are natural leaders, McCain is better just because he is respected for having experience.
True, but that's why I said "in this next election." I'm not just talking about the Presidential election.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 4:44:34 PM
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TorchHeart
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And for those who were actually innocent, that happens.
I am asked what if I were one of those? That's part of it, I would say.
There are no perfect systems. But dismantling what is right is worse.
That's part of my problem, though. If innocent people are losing their life as a result of the death penalty (even DNA evidence, while it has helped greatly, has not completely eliminated this problem), then I cannot support it. When you're dealing with human life, I have a hard time supporting the "to make an omlette you have to break a few eggs" method.
I also look at Christ's example. He had an opportunity to (in accordance with the law) sentence a woman to death, and passed up the opportunity. I don't believe Christ would sentence people to death, because I believe that they all deserve the opportunity to TRULY find Christ and repent for what they did (just as other people who committed murder in the Bible were able to do). When you take someone's life out of anger or vengence (no matter how old or how young), I believe that you are taking away a chance for them to find the Lord and repent.
In my mind, the taking of any human life is wrong.
I do have to agree, though, that the appeals process has to change. I also will agree that our prison system is out of wack. Instead of having these people sit in prisons in front of big screen televisions and working out in weight rooms that are the envy of some professional football teams, I say make them WORK OFF their debt to society for the entire time they're in prison.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 5:14:12 PM
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And for those who were actually innocent, that happens.
I am asked what if I were one of those? That's part of it, I would say.
There are no perfect systems. But dismantling what is right is worse.
That's part of my problem, though. If innocent people are losing their life as a result of the death penalty (even DNA evidence, while it has helped greatly, has not completely eliminated this problem), then I cannot support it. When you're dealing with human life, I have a hard time supporting the "to make an omlette you have to break a few eggs" method.
When you take someone's life out of anger or vengence (no matter how old or how young), I believe that you are taking away a chance for them to find the Lord and repent.
In my mind, the taking of any human life is wrong.
When the state excutes a criminal, it is not "anger" or "vengence". It is called JUSTICE.
In your opinion, executing someone like Timothy McVeigh or Saddam Hussein is wrong? I'm having a hard time lining up with that logic.
Criminals need to be punished. That's how justice is served: you do something wrong, you deserve to get punished. Sometimes that punishment is a year in prison, sometimes it's the death penalty.
When you say "taking any human life is wrong", why do you say that? The perp did not care about their victims right to live. Why should the perp be shown more mercy than the victim? So its OK to take a life in cold blooded murder, but it's not OK for the state to take a life by executing that very same murderer? Yeah that makes sense.
People who think like that are exactly whats wrong with the criminal justice system today. They care more about the perps rights and give the perp more rights and mercy than the victims. 
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Death Row inmates should be allowed 1 appeal and after that, the punishment should be enforced.
This would be my view also.
I would be more lenient as to give them a one year time in order to
appeal and prove they are innocent. After that, execute them.
My b-i-l was murdered. His murderer was on death row for 22 years.
He ended up committing suicide or may still be there. My b-i-l was a policeman.
And for those who were actually innocent, that happens.
I am asked what if I were one of those? That's part of it, I would say.
There are no perfect systems. But dismantling what is right is worse.
I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your brother-in-law. Their appeal (in a better system) should start immediately after they are found guilty and would have exactly one year to appeal. If the perp chooses not to file an appeal or the appeal isn't finished within that time--then execute.
It's ridiculous for people to be sitting on Death Row for 20+ years.
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Hi Miranda.
Just curious. How does your view on gay marriage line
up with your signature?
Righteous Lot was vexed in soul by Sodom and Gomorrah.
Gay marriage is nothing new. It's been around since the beginning.
It never has nor ever will line up with Romans 1.
Could you please clarify the question?
I know from a Christian stand point gay marriage is wrong. But from a political stand point, is not. A marriage ban is an infringement upon civil rights.
We know Buddhism, Islam and Sikhism are wrong, but we don't try to force those people to change their ways or be punished by the government because of it.
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So if Peter wants to marry Prissilla who is already married to Martha and then they want the cattle in the back forty to be included in this sacred union... How does that work?
The point was the government should not be able to tell a man they can only marry someone with a vagina or tell a woman that they can only marry someone with a penis.
Again, it is a violation of a homosexual's civil rights. Like it or not, they are covered by the Constitution too.
That's totalitarianism my friend. I think Dear Leader in North Korea tells his people who they can and can not marry.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 5:17:37 PM
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I chose other because Obama's socialism is the most important to me.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 5:30:27 PM
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When the state excutes a criminal, it is not "anger" or "vengence". It is called JUSTICE.
Its not justice. Its vengence.
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In your opinion, executing someone like Timothy McVeigh or Saddam Hussein is wrong? I'm having a hard time lining up with that logic.
I don't see how, being Christians, we can fail to see that logic. No, I would not have sentenced people as horrible as McVeigh or Hussein to death. For starters, because I believe that Christ would not have condemned them to death. Only God has the right to do that.
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Criminals need to be punished. That's how justice is served: you do something wrong, you deserve to get punished. Sometimes that punishment is a year in prison, sometimes it's the death penalty.
I agree with this entire statement... except for the part about the death penalty. Punishment is necessary in our justice system. And there are a number of ways to punish people for their crimes. A good punishment, in my view, is one that is not only just but also effectively detures other people from committing the same crime. The death penalty has proven to be neither.
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When you say "taking any human life is wrong", why do you say that? The perp did not care about their victims right to live. Why should the perp be shown more mercy than the victim? So its OK to take a life in cold blooded murder, but it's not OK for the state to take a life by executing that very same murderer? Yeah that makes sense.
No. Neither is right. That's why we put people in prison and we punish them. I will agree that our prison system is soft, and I'm in favor of far more severe conditions in our prisons and more effective means of punishment, but to take a life for a life.... that serves no purpose but vengence.
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People who think like that are exactly whats wrong with the criminal justice system today. They care more about the perps rights and give the perp more rights and mercy than the victims.
That's a completely false and unfair statement. At what point do we have the right to play God and decide who lives and who dies? We are punishing a person for playing God and making that decision, but does that give us the right to make that decision ourselves. Christ, Himself, spoke out against the idea of "an eye for an eye." All the death penalty is, to me, is "an eye for an eye."
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 5:31:57 PM
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I do have to agree, though, that the appeals process has to change. I also will agree that our prison system is out of wack. Instead of having these people sit in prisons in front of big screen televisions and working out in weight rooms that are the envy of some professional football teams, I say make them WORK OFF their debt to society for the entire time they're in prison.
In the case of murder, how do measure what a human life is worth? A lot of prisoners DO work. In KY, they can cut hair in the barber shop, work in the cafeteria, make things in a woodshop, there is even a prison in Lexington with a thoroughbred retirement home and the prisoners can take care of the horses and cattle. They pick up trash off the sides of the highways (for about $1.00 a day). Some prisoners even take GED high school classes, some take vocational classess so they will have some sort of skill when they are released. In KY, if a prisoner comes in without a high school diploma or GED, they HAVE to complete a GED courses before being released.
Some prisoners work to get a reduction in sentence time. They have to work so many hours and behave. Kind of like a good behavior credit. If they get into trouble, that credit towards a reduced sentence times is thrown out and goes out the window.
In KY, the prisoners who are taking high school/GED classes or those taking vocational courses can also apply such credits to a reduced sentence time. Unlike the work credits, the educational credits can NEVER be thrown out regardless of what the prisoner does (Because in KY "Education Pays". Whatever).
Sometimes, a prisoner can work so many hours to get visitation rights with their kids (in a minimum security prison, they may even get unsupervised visitation rights).
Being in prison is NOT a vacation that lasts for years at a time. It's NOT just sitting around watching TV and lifting weights in the gym. It's tough, and it should be. But it is NOT a perp's vacation paid for at the tax payers expenses. Have you ever even been to a prison or even know somebody who has? 
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 5:33:18 PM
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TorchHeart
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Have you ever even been to a prison or even know somebody who has?
Yes on both accounts.
I give props to Kentucky if this is how their prison system works. While it does sound like it has some issues that need to be worked out, it sounds better than some of those I've seen in Minnesota and North Dakota.
I'm a firm believer in making prisoners work. I don't believe, however, in having that work go towards "credit" for a reduced sentence. They're paying their debt to society, and this is part of that payment.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 8:57:20 PM
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Yes on both accounts.
I give props to Kentucky if this is how their prison system works. While it does sound like it has some issues that need to be worked out, it sounds better than some of those I've seen in Minnesota and North Dakota.
I'm a firm believer in making prisoners work. I don't believe, however, in having that work go towards "credit" for a reduced sentence. They're paying their debt to society, and this is part of that payment.
Just out of curiosity, what in the KY prison system do you think needs to be worked out? As for the prisoners working, yes they should be allowed to have credits towards reduced sentences.
They are REFORMING themselves, trying to better themselves. Those in the vocational trade classess are doing that so they will have a skill or two to use when they are released. Those taking the GED classes are trying to better themselves (no different from some a 40 year old person going back to college) so that they too will have better skills to be put to use for the good of society when they are released. You don't seem to forgiving on that matter.
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Its not justice. Its vengence.
No, it is called JUSTICE. That's one of the principles the Criminal Justice system was built upon.
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I don't see how, being Christians, we can fail to see that logic. No, I would not have sentenced people as horrible as McVeigh or Hussein to death. For starters, because I believe that Christ would not have condemned them to death. Only God has the right to do that.
Murderers DO deserve death. Have you thought of this: maybe God wants them to die by the death penalty at the hands of the state? God knows everything about everyone, when and how we are born, when and how we die. For some people that might mean having to die in the horrific manner of having a needle stuck in a vein in their arm (as oppossed to being shot, stabbed, or tortured to death).
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People who think like that are exactly whats wrong with the criminal justice system today. They care more about the perps rights and give the perp more rights and mercy than the victims.
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That's a completely false and unfair statement.
No statements like the one I made in your quote are TRUE. People who are more concerned with the perp's mercy and rights are the reason we have people GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER. 
"Oh that poor person. Grieving for their dead wife/husband who was stabbed to death over 100 times. When will the inhumanity end? First they have to go through a criminal trial, then they are sentenced to death? That ain't right! That's not fair! Their DNA was found on the weapon, but oh no, they surely weren't at the crime scene when they allegedly murdered thier spouse. Having a cocktail of lethal drugs injected into their arm?! That's injustice in the purest form! No human should have to endure that horrific death!" Please. Give me a break.
Thats what people with that mentality do. They COMPLETELY DISREGARD THE VICTIM(S). Whatever they do, they cry out "Don't do anything bad to the perps!" You know what that mentality got us? PEOPLE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER. PEOPLE SUDDENLY PLEADING INSANITY. JUDGES AND JURIES DISREGARDING THE VICTIMS
Tell me, what justice is there for the victim when you let their killer(s) off? NONE.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/27/2008 11:48:19 PM
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I voted other, and you want me to fill in the blank.
We had this for the initial question:
What issue is the most important to you in this next election?
And then you had this in your initial post:
All I want to know is what issue is the most important to you in this election. ie: If you could pick your candidate (whoever that is) based on only one issue, what issue would that be?
And it's noted that a week has gone by, and you are still the pollster, having not participated yet yourself, right?
I voted other, because the issue of personal and moral character wasn't listed. That's the most important issue to me. It's not really an issue, as the others. I don't do a complete life study of those running for the USA's highest office, and I don't draw on the media entirely for help on this either.
It's not a question of 'if I could pick my candidate', but a simple statement that this IS how I pick my candidate.
Interesting poll, thanks.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/28/2008 12:04:51 AM
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I say other ... Judges. Judges effect abortion, marriage, they can keep our radio waves free, and when necessary keep a very liberal thinking Legislative and Executive branch in check for those times they are in total control.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/28/2008 2:52:33 PM
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They are REFORMING themselves, trying to better themselves. Those in the vocational trade classess are doing that so they will have a skill or two to use when they are released. Those taking the GED classes are trying to better themselves (no different from some a 40 year old person going back to college) so that they too will have better skills to be put to use for the good of society when they are released. You don't seem to forgiving on that matter.
I believe in people owing up to what they took from society. That involves putting them to use. I have no problem with them trying to better themselves; I applaud it, in fact. But I also believe in paying in full for what you've done. Just because you're getting an education or learning a trade doesn't mean you should be automatically entered back into society.
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No, it is called JUSTICE. That's one of the principles the Criminal Justice system was built upon.
And you call ME unforgiving????  I guess some people just aren't worthy of God's graces, are they? Forgiveness is limited.
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Murderers DO deserve death. Have you thought of this: maybe God wants them to die by the death penalty at the hands of the state? God knows everything about everyone, when and how we are born, when and how we die. For some people that might mean having to die in the horrific manner of having a needle stuck in a vein in their arm (as oppossed to being shot, stabbed, or tortured to death).
Give me scripture to back it up if that's God's desires. If it truly is, you should be able to find examples of this.
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No statements like the one I made in your quote are TRUE. People who are more concerned with the perp's mercy and rights are the reason we have people GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER.
WOW! You are irrational, aren't you? I'm not saying to let the guy get out of jail. I'm not saying not to punish him. I'm saying that TWO WRONGS (both condemned in the Bible!) do NOT make a right!
Your statement is irrational, baseless, unfair, and false. You're arguing completely out of emotion without an ounce of logic. I have never said to let these people go unpunished. I have never expressed more concern for these people than for those who they committed crimes against. But ALL PEOPLE DESERVE SOME LEVEL OF COMPASSION! Even those you deem most reprehensible. If jailed, I would never allow such horrible people as Sadam Hussaine, Osama bin Laden, Jeffery Dahmer, or other such people to ever be released from prison. Justice will be served, but as far as I (and, in my opinion, God) am concered, it should be done by committing yet another murder.
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"Oh that poor person. Grieving for their dead wife/husband who was stabbed to death over 100 times. When will the inhumanity end? First they have to go through a criminal trial, then they are sentenced to death? That ain't right! That's not fair! Their DNA was found on the weapon, but oh no, they surely weren't at the crime scene when they allegedly murdered thier spouse. Having a cocktail of lethal drugs injected into their arm?! That's injustice in the purest form! No human should have to endure that horrific death!" Please. Give me a break.
Good questions. Here's another one... Have you ever watched someone die? I can say that I have. Have you?
By the way, please DO NOT put words in my mouth like you did in the above paragraph. Its not only disrespectful, but it shows very poorly upon yourself and your "argument."
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Thats what people with that mentality do. They COMPLETELY DISREGARD THE VICTIM(S). Whatever they do, they cry out "Don't do anything bad to the perps!" You know what that mentality got us? PEOPLE GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER. PEOPLE SUDDENLY PLEADING INSANITY. JUDGES AND JURIES DISREGARDING THE VICTIMS
Tell me, what justice is there for the victim when you let their killer(s) off? NONE.
Again, I say that NOBODY is letting the killer off. Putting them for life behind bars and making them work to dig ditches, in mines or in other conditions in super-max prisons where they are isolated for life from society is NOT letting them off.
You call me the problem with the justice system? I say people who let emotions alone run their decision-making process an even greater problem.
I'm sorry if you're someone who has lost a loved one to a violent crime like Lapidoth says he did. I can't imagine the pain and anger you've gone through, and I know nothing I say or do can ever change that.
But when it comes down to it, does taking one person's life really serve justice for another life being taken that we can never bring back no matter what? Again, I ask you... what would Christ say?
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/28/2008 3:52:43 PM
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I voted ECONOMY. This is the ONLY issue. Fix this (or rather, actually leave the market alone to regulate itself) and the other issues will mostly fix themselves.
Most of the problems we face in the US is because we have turned so socialist. The Dems at least admit it. The GOP is in a state of denial, even though they are by and large even more fiscally irresponsible than the Dems. The RINO herd is carrying us toward Marxism.
McCain will probably lose, and it will be mostly because he abandoned fiscal conservatism (and picked a nitwit as a running mate).
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/28/2008 3:58:47 PM
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McCain will probably lose, and it will be mostly because he abandoned fiscal conservatism (and picked a nitwit as a running mate).
i find it ironic you call a 'nitwit' the person who is perhaps the most fiscally conservative person in the race.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/28/2008 4:55:52 PM
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i find it ironic you call a 'nitwit' the person who is perhaps the most fiscally conservative person in the race.
And I find it ironic that you consider Obama, Biden, and McCain valid benchmarks. Her record is hardly an epitome of fiscal conservatism, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.
The economy is by far the most important issue to me in this race.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/28/2008 7:19:10 PM
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Judicial nominations.
The very nature of our country could be changed. Every time "progressives" get in power they change the meaning of the things we believe. Liberals constantly push for change, conservatives constantly push to hold us where we are. As far as the constitution and the core of our way of life... it should not change. However, due to liberal leaders in out past, our forefathers would not recognize this country.
I wish conservatives would do more than try to hold the tide and actually push us back. Of course we have not had a conservative president since Reagan. We badly need another and McCain is not conservative... at least he isn't as liberal as Obama.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/28/2008 9:24:58 PM
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stamper_ben
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So if Peter wants to marry Prissilla who is already married to Martha and then they want the cattle in the back forty to be included in this sacred union... How does that work?
The point was the government should not be able to tell a man they can only marry someone with a vagina or tell a woman that they can only marry someone with a penis.
Again, it is a violation of a homosexual's civil rights. Like it or not, they are covered by the Constitution too.
That's totalitarianism my friend. I think Dear Leader in North Korea tells his people who they can and can not marry.
Never mind a homosexual. What about a heterosexual who wants to marry the horse in the barn? Don't they have civil rights too?
Can't you see where your line of thinking could lead?
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/29/2008 12:44:55 PM
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I worry about the Constitution being usurped through revisionist reinterpretation by a Demo-socialist controlled congress and Executive branch. Willfully ignoring the original intent and first 150 years of Supreme Court rulings backing up the same in order to change the Constitution when they couldn't through the proscribed methods.
They may have been complaining about the Patriot Act but I believe they will be the ones to use it against any opposition from citizens.
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/29/2008 1:02:43 PM
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SweetPea213
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ORIGINAL: SweetPea213
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So if Peter wants to marry Prissilla who is already married to Martha and then they want the cattle in the back forty to be included in this sacred union... How does that work?
The point was the government should not be able to tell a man they can only marry someone with a vagina or tell a woman that they can only marry someone with a penis.
Again, it is a violation of a homosexual's civil rights. Like it or not, they are covered by the Constitution too.
That's totalitarianism my friend. I think Dear Leader in North Korea tells his people who they can and can not marry.
Never mind a homosexual. What about a heterosexual who wants to marry the horse in the barn? Don't they have civil rights too?
Can't you see where your line of thinking could lead?
Beastiality is against the law. The Constitution applies to HUMANS. Are you going to arrest a dog for urinating on the sidewalk? A human should not be permitted to have sex with or marry an animal, that's sick and disgusting (any reasonable person would agree to that). Homosexuals are not animals, they are people too.
I will NOT apologize for not hating homosexuals and trying to deny them their rights.
"Liberty and Justice for ALL" does that ring a bell? Like it or not, homosexuals deserve the exact same rights as straight people. They should not be denied anything that a straight person has access to, including marriage.
Unless you know something about the Constitution and civil rights I do not know, then tell me. Please enlighten me!
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RE: What issue is the most important to you in this nex... - 10/29/2008 1:08:23 PM
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Marcus.
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Homosexual activity was a crime from the founding of the country until recently. Obviously the foundational generation found it sick and disgusting too. Nothing right or good about it at all.
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