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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/23/2005 11:16:56 PM
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LOL! Patience, patience!
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 1:01:18 AM
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LOL! Tough! You had no choice! More on Mattering Well, I was pretty upset. I didn't dare cry at the meeting. I didn't feel safe enough to be that vulnerable so I tried to ignore the pain. I wanted to talk to dh when we got home, however, about all the thoughts that were swirling in my head from the meeting. At the same time, I didn't trust myself to do that. I'm wanting to treat him with respect. How do I do that when I'm hurting and angry? It's hard. I got home before he did and when he did get home, he made a comment based on something the pastor had said about pets. "Our pets (remember, we have large turtles) are not emotionally sympathetic." I responded, "Neither are our husbands." He looked at me in surprise. "What's wrong?" A pause and then, "I didn't do anything wrong!" That last comment kind of confirms what I've been beginning to see. The way he relates to me is more based on a checklist than on relating in any intimate way. He carries around a mental checklist of what to do or avoid in order to keep me from being "ticked off". And yeah, his checklist is negative like that, as opposed to, "What would keep her happy?" Well, he had someone coming over shortly so I refused to answer his question until after she had come and gone. I didn't want the house full of tension when she arrived--that sort of thing is so noticeable--nor did I want to be interupted at a key place in whatever discussion might ensue. He wasn't happy about waiting but I insisted. Finally the guest was gone and we could begin to talk. Wow! I did NOT expect the response I got. He agreed! He wasn't defensive. He didn't argue. He listened as I spoke about him not doing all these things, especially listening, how it made me feel like I don't matter to him, how it seemed like his relationship with me was more like a checklist of do's and don'ts, etc. Wow! He said that what I said made sense. So he wanted to know what he could do. Actually, he said he's been praying for the last month about ... well, I can't remember the exact words but I guess about connecting with me or something. I said there were two things he could to to help me know he cares. He can show an interest in me by listening and by asking questions with an eye to understanding me. I suggested he start with more surface things because they're safer and currently I don't trust him with the deeper stuff (implying that that would come with time). So he asked how I came to be at the meeting this morning. I answered. He didn't really ask anything more which is fine. I'm not sure I could have taken too much questioning in that direction. He also asked me if I'm interested in going to any retreats with him this summer at the place where he's on the board of directors. I might be. The one he's interested in is lead by a former assistant pastor of my old church and now Teaching Pastor at the church where we were this morning. I actually bumped into him when I arrived and he gave me a great big hug and chatted with me for a while. That was nice. So I got up the courage to ask dh if he was interested in coming to the camp with me that my church is associated with on the May long weekend. I really don't want him to come. I want to go alone, but it's one of those nudges, you know. I knew I had to ask. Sigh. He wants to come. The good thing is he's offered to pay my share too. :D:D That's good! So now I have to register us. Well, God has a purpose. And then, later this evening (the cause of the interuption above), he asked me out to dinner. Cool, eh? We had a nice time. I was kind of disappointed. I kind of hoped he was doing this as a chance to practice listening and to get to know me but he didn't do a whole lot of that. Finally I just started sharing some things. He listened politely but I think I went on too long and he quickly lost interest. But he continued listening anyway and I appreciated that. Told him so too. On the way home we talked about listening. Who do we know that's a good listener. Who isn't. When is dh a good listener? He said he listens when he's interested. Ah ha! See? No wonder I feel like he doesn't care, that I don't matter. He, in essence, admitted it. But now, hopefully, things will change. I'm so AMAZED at how he accepted all that without getting defensive or arguing. Truly a miracle!
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 1:33:01 AM
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Wow, Maggie! Awesome! (((((((((((((((((((((Maggie))))))))))))))))))))
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 1:41:23 AM
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 11:28:47 AM
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I'm sitting here looking like this while I was reading... [img]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-012.gif[/img] [img]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-043.gif[/img] [img]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-054.gif[/img] [img]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-055.gif[/img]
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 11:32:41 AM
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Cool, eh? Thanks for sharing my joy. (And I'm trying really hard to not be sceptical about it all.)
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 11:38:17 AM
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Oh! Something really funny just happened. The post office just dropped off a large box for me. On a Sunday? That was a surprise. I ordered a set of books last weekend and was told to expect 2-4 weeks delivery time. They came from the States in only a week? That's a surprise. I wasn't surprised at the SIZE of the box though, I kind of expected the books to be big from the picture. But when I opened the box, it was full of stuffing. When I pulled it all away, what did I find? A much smaller box, about 1/4 the size of the big box. Why in the WORLD did they put a small box inside a big box to ship it? Was there something else in there besides shipping label and flyer? Ah, yes! A tiny paperback I had also ordered. THAT'S why the huge box. All for the sake of a little wee book. LOL! Silly book company!
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 11:44:58 AM
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Maggie, I haven't been able to catch up on all of your thread yet, but I just wanted to tell you that I haven't forgotten you. I'm still trying to get used to this system, just like everybody else. I'm so behind on threads! Oh well, I'll catch up in time. I wonder why they put a paperback in such a big box? Strange. I hope you have a good day.
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 11:55:52 AM
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It's okay, Trish. Thanks for popping in! Well, it wasn't just the paperback. It was also the small box. I guess it was easier or cheaper to put them both together in a box than to ship them separately, and maybe this was the closest size they had. I don't know. It WAS funny! I've already started reading the larger books.
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 12:01:44 PM
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I'm tired but well. Yesterday was such a good day. I'm thanking God. How are you, Pamela?
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 1:10:29 PM
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Pamela, I'm so glad you had an awesome time in church. A second wind is awfully nice too. I talk about yesterday in posts 124 and 129.
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 2:59:25 PM
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LOL, Sharon! You know, I was thinking about all that afterward. Dh knows all this that we heard. He's probably taught it too (he does all sorts of professional development seminars). It was definitely God coordinating it all--our being there together to both hear this teaching, my need to once again point out that he doesn't do these things (sometimes I feel like a broken record) but amazingly, his conviction (which must have been happening before I even opened my mouth) that I was right. I had anticipated the possibility of him showing up at this or other meetings/programs at this church, connected with the Exodus program, and was really scared. Look what I would have missed had I tried to orchestrate things to keep my fears from happening! There are blessings in facing our fears (or pains) and moving through them, rather than around or away from them. Isn't God cool?
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/24/2005 11:19:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: magdaleine Look what I would have missed had I tried to orchestrate things to keep my fears from happening! There are blessings in facing our fears (or pains) and moving through them, rather than around or away from them. Wow! A point I really need to ponder. Thanks, Maggie!
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/25/2005 12:06:41 AM
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It's a sobering thought, isn't it Diane? Lynnie, you're right about coincidence. God is in control. I guess I need to remember that tonight. Folding Church? This evening at church, with only 9 in attendance, including the pastor, the pastor informed us that our church is likely folding. He and his wife are very burned out and there's no one to replace them. Further, our numbers keep dwindling and I think some painful things have happened in connection to that. I am upset and angry. I don't want to go church-hunting again, I don't want to go to dh's church and I don't want to lose all those I've grown to love over the past year. On the other hand, the pastors were my friends long before they were my pastors and I care about them too. What I'm going to be praying is that God make it unequivocally clear to the pastors one way or the other. I get the sense that they want to fold but they don't have clear leading on it other than reaching the end of what they can give. Please join me in prayer about this? As much as I want the church to continue, I don't want to ask for that in case God has something better planned. And yet, our church was prophesied over last October by people in our parent church and the word was, "Hang in there!" What could that mean but for NOW? But who am I and what do I know? I DO know that God can make it without-a-doubt clear one way or the other and so that's what I'm praying he does. Thank you.
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/25/2005 4:00:11 AM
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Maggie, that is wonderful about your Saturday . . I'm smiling like Shanii also! God is soooooo good!! . . . . Thanks for sharing that with us. I'm sorry to hear about your church . . . will join you in prayer over that matter.
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/25/2005 7:42:08 AM
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Me, too, Maggie!
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/25/2005 9:11:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: magdaleine LOL! Tough! You had no choice! More on Mattering Well, I was pretty upset. I didn't dare cry at the meeting. I didn't feel safe enough to be that vulnerable so I tried to ignore the pain. I wanted to talk to dh when we got home, however, about all the thoughts that were swirling in my head from the meeting. At the same time, I didn't trust myself to do that. I'm wanting to treat him with respect. How do I do that when I'm hurting and angry? It's hard. I got home before he did and when he did get home, he made a comment based on something the pastor had said about pets. "Our pets (remember, we have large turtles) are not emotionally sympathetic." I responded, "Neither are our husbands." He looked at me in surprise. "What's wrong?" A pause and then, "I didn't do anything wrong!" That last comment kind of confirms what I've been beginning to see. The way he relates to me is more based on a checklist than on relating in any intimate way. He carries around a mental checklist of what to do or avoid in order to keep me from being "ticked off". And yeah, his checklist is negative like that, as opposed to, "What would keep her happy?" Well, he had someone coming over shortly so I refused to answer his question until after she had come and gone. I didn't want the house full of tension when she arrived--that sort of thing is so noticeable--nor did I want to be interupted at a key place in whatever discussion might ensue. He wasn't happy about waiting but I insisted. Finally the guest was gone and we could begin to talk. Wow! I did NOT expect the response I got. He agreed! He wasn't defensive. He didn't argue. He listened as I spoke about him not doing all these things, especially listening, how it made me feel like I don't matter to him, how it seemed like his relationship with me was more like a checklist of do's and don'ts, etc. Wow! He said that what I said made sense. So he wanted to know what he could do. Actually, he said he's been praying for the last month about ... well, I can't remember the exact words but I guess about connecting with me or something. I said there were two things he could to to help me know he cares. He can show an interest in me by listening and by asking questions with an eye to understanding me. I suggested he start with more surface things because they're safer and currently I don't trust him with the deeper stuff (implying that that would come with time). So he asked how I came to be at the meeting this morning. I answered. He didn't really ask anything more which is fine. I'm not sure I could have taken too much questioning in that direction. He also asked me if I'm interested in going to any retreats with him this summer at the place where he's on the board of directors. I might be. The one he's interested in is lead by a former assistant pastor of my old church and now Teaching Pastor at the church where we were this morning. I actually bumped into him when I arrived and he gave me a great big hug and chatted with me for a while. That was nice. So I got up the courage to ask dh if he was interested in coming to the camp with me that my church is associated with on the May long weekend. I really don't want him to come. I want to go alone, but it's one of those nudges, you know. I knew I had to ask. Sigh. He wants to come. The good thing is he's offered to pay my share too. :D:D That's good! So now I have to register us. Well, God has a purpose. And then, later this evening (the cause of the interuption above), he asked me out to dinner. Cool, eh? We had a nice time. I was kind of disappointed. I kind of hoped he was doing this as a chance to practice listening and to get to know me but he didn't do a whole lot of that. Finally I just started sharing some things. He listened politely but I think I went on too long and he quickly lost interest. But he continued listening anyway and I appreciated that. Told him so too. On the way home we talked about listening. Who do we know that's a good listener. Who isn't. When is dh a good listener? He said he listens when he's interested. Ah ha! See? No wonder I feel like he doesn't care, that I don't matter. He, in essence, admitted it. But now, hopefully, things will change. I'm so AMAZED at how he accepted all that without getting defensive or arguing. Truly a miracle! Wow Maggie!!!! Awesome!! (((((((((((((((((((((((MAGGIE)))))))))))))))))))))) In light of this, will you consider starting a blog up? I think it's awesome reading about other brothers and sister's various struggles and victories!
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RE: Maggie's Musings VI - 4/25/2005 10:54:15 AM
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Thank you for your prayers, Leah and Diane. I appreciate it. And yeah, Leah, God is good. Dee Dee, I know it's discouraging to see what God's doing for someone else and wish he was doing the same right now for you. Keep seeking God, my friend. Keep pushing towards him and learning to listen to his voice. The changes will happen in God's time. I've waited 31 years for this and what happened Saturday may or may not be something that actually makes a dent in things. Only time will tell. But in the meantime (while I wait for time to tell and you wait for God to make the changes you need and want), we build our relationship with God. We spend time with him, getting to know him better and delighting in all he has done for us already. And we wait, knowing that his desire for good in our lives is even greater than our own. {{{{{{Dee Dee}}}}}} Pamela, I'm keeping a blog at www.magdaleine.com/musings but I share here much of what I share there. The only difference is that this thread is more casual and the blog is more formal. Thanks for the hug.
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