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RE: Vocal question - 10/10/2008 4:46:37 PM
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BlessedAngel1983
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It becomes second nature to raise your eyebrow, visualize the note, tuck your head and tighten your gluteous maximus.
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RE: Vocal question - 10/10/2008 4:55:06 PM
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bigboytenor
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Daniel,
Here comes the advice of a voice teacher. In the example you gave, it is important to sing the first consonant on the pitch of the word to which it belongs. For example, if you are singing the song in C major and "O holy" comes on an E and "night" comes on G make sure to vocalize the "n" of "night" on the G. A good way to practice is to sing "O holy n" and hold the "n" sound out to be sure of the pitch. It is not uncommon to sing a beginning consonant on a lower pitch and slide up to the right pitch after opening the mouth to form the vowel.
This is a trick that my voice teacher during my graduate work taught me and it works.
Also, about the lemon thing - while some people do lemon or lemon/honey in tea it doesn't work for me. That is one of those things that a person needs to experiment with and determine what it most effective for him/her. I find that lots of water ahead of time, a good 25 - 30 minute warmup and swallowing hard will effectively remove phlegm. Again, figure out what works for you on the phlegm front, just don't get the phlegm on your front.
Seriously try the first exercise on the pitch thing, though.
Daryl
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RE: Vocal question - 10/10/2008 5:29:00 PM
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HigherNote4U
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Bigboytenor....why do you have to live so far away? I can't find anyone close by that knows a thing about singing tenor and can teach it. Maybe all the posters from NC and surrounding can get some $$$ together and get you out here for a weekend seminar!!!
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RE: Vocal question - 10/10/2008 7:41:44 PM
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danielmount
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ORIGINAL: bigboytenor
Here comes the advice of a voice teacher. In the example you gave, it is important to sing the first consonant on the pitch of the word to which it belongs. For example, if you are singing the song in C major and "O holy" comes on an E and "night" comes on G make sure to vocalize the "n" of "night" on the G. A good way to practice is to sing "O holy n" and hold the "n" sound out to be sure of the pitch. It is not uncommon to sing a beginning consonant on a lower pitch and slide up to the right pitch after opening the mouth to form the vowel.
I just tried that and notice a substantial difference.
I don't have the breath control to be spot-on or anything, but I'm closer after focusing on the consonants. Thanks - I'll work on that!
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RE: Vocal question - 10/10/2008 7:45:51 PM
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danielmount
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Daniel,
In a demonstration about how to avoid sliding up to a pitch, my choir director in college would set a chair at the front of the room. He'd place his foot on the seat of the chair and say something to the effect that you have to visualize your voice coming from the top of the note to hit it correctly. If you think about coming up to it from below, then you'll go flat and maybe slide up to it. Then, he would reitorate try to put his foot on the seat again, but this time by bringing his foot underneath the chair, causing the chair to flip over. "You won't hit the pitch if you come from underneath."
Strangely enough singing (correctly) is a largely visual process. That's why in choirs it helps for the choir leader to be a conductor, giving you hand signals that tell you when to get louder or softer or whatever. I use the same thing mentally when I sing. Sometimes when I practice I do my own gestures that help me even more.
Another means of getting the pitch is a lot of breath support. You have to give your whole singing/breathing appartus a boost to move from the lower note to the higher note. Without appropriate breath support you will almost without exception go flat. (This is also very important when hitting notes in the upper portion of your range.)
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ORIGINAL: AngelInWaiting1983
The way my voice teacher taught us was to visualize the note. Instead of thinking going up to it from the bottom, think going over the top to land on it.
Yes, I've heard that before. I think that helps.
Breath support helps hugely.  I still start flat sometimes with breath support, and I think that's where I need to work on the consequences!
Thanks to everyone who's given serious responses! And to those who gave silly ones--you already have your reward.  But I'll add to it - thanks for making me smile!
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RE: Vocal question - 10/10/2008 7:47:43 PM
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GVfan
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ORIGINAL: danielmount
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ORIGINAL: levisamjuno
Daniel,
In a demonstration about how to avoid sliding up to a pitch, my choir director in college would set a chair at the front of the room. He'd place his foot on the seat of the chair and say something to the effect that you have to visualize your voice coming from the top of the note to hit it correctly. If you think about coming up to it from below, then you'll go flat and maybe slide up to it. Then, he would reitorate try to put his foot on the seat again, but this time by bringing his foot underneath the chair, causing the chair to flip over. "You won't hit the pitch if you come from underneath."
Strangely enough singing (correctly) is a largely visual process. That's why in choirs it helps for the choir leader to be a conductor, giving you hand signals that tell you when to get louder or softer or whatever. I use the same thing mentally when I sing. Sometimes when I practice I do my own gestures that help me even more.
Another means of getting the pitch is a lot of breath support. You have to give your whole singing/breathing appartus a boost to move from the lower note to the higher note. Without appropriate breath support you will almost without exception go flat. (This is also very important when hitting notes in the upper portion of your range.)
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ORIGINAL: AngelInWaiting1983
The way my voice teacher taught us was to visualize the note. Instead of thinking going up to it from the bottom, think going over the top to land on it.
Yes, I've heard that before. I think that helps.
Breath support helps hugely. I still start flat sometimes with breath support, and I think that's where I need to work on the consequences!
Thanks to everyone who's given serious responses! And to those who gave silly ones--you already have your reward. But I'll add to it - thanks for making me smile!
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