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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/9/2008 4:16:54 PM
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galadriel2
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Thanks for the responses.
Mapachito - yeah - I was referring to Romans 13.
Letusreason - that is the function of government - to punish evil-doers, along with provide an environment conducive to people being able to live peaceable and godly lives and honorable lives - I think the NASB says. Our Constitution, etc., isn't on the same level as the word, but due to the nature of it and if you go back and look at the Founders' writings you will find that they held to the idea that without 'religion' (Christ) you won't be able to maintain the Republic. James Madison had as the foundation of the way he set up our government the Biblical teaching of the total depravity of man and so we need the checks and balances. I think you will find upon closer look that most of our government officials use the law rather than uphold it in order to pursue their own selfish ambitions. The 'intelligence' people that I have come across break whatever law they want to in order to accomplish their extremely perverse goals....This is getting off the topic though.
God bless abundantly,
Galadriel
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/9/2008 5:51:55 PM
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mapachito13
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I understand government's role is to punish 'evil-doers', but it seems to me that to be able to do that effectively you can't be one yourself.
God bless abundantly,
Galadriel
I think your understanding is skewed, maybe a government class or a study of our preamble might help you get back on track...
1 - A government should work to better itself
2 - It should provide a system of justice and rule of law
3 - Insure domestic tranquility
4 - Provide a common defense
5 - Promote the general welfare of the society
6 - Secure our liberties
FYI, Galadrial was referring to Romans 13 not the Preamble to the Constitution.
That's still not right then, the Bible does not say that the goverment's role is to punish evil doers, nor does it infer it. Paul was providing a possible specific consequence as it relates to the overall role of the government to prevent or restrain evil. There can be no punishment without the breaking of a law.
So to say that is like saying that the purpose of God's law is to punish evil doers.
13:4 for it is a servant of God for you good. But if you do evil be afraid, for it does not bear the sword without purpose; it is the servant of God to inflict wrath on the evildoer.
Inflict wrath sounds synonymous with punish, IMHO.
Interesting too that you mentioned ,"There can be no punishment without the breaking of a law." Until the Syrians actually cross the Lebanese border, what law have they broken that would warrant an airstrike?
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RE: Syria Massing Troops on Lebanon border - 10/10/2008 6:46:55 AM
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galadriel2
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See, and this is a general observation (IMHO) as to the general problem in dealing with Syria or any other government related problem - almost everyone in government (and the world/America) aren't saved. Now the Bible tells us certain things about the lost and so we know certain things about them: the darkness is in them and they are in the darkness, the darkness rules over them (as it did before Christ delivered us) and it rules over them unchallenged in any way because it is too strong for mankind, they have no knowledge/fellowship with Christ so they bring no insight and understanding and wisdom into any situation that they are confronted by. I put up a reference to a recent Glenn Beck article about how America is becoming more and more Communist/Socialist. See, we can't maintain our Republic without a certain amount of Christ being around and so what is happening - per the people's and (of course) the government's choice is we are losing our rights and becoming more Communist, and Fascist too. This effects how we approach Syria, etc..
The general principle 'there can be no punishment without the breaking of a law' is true - but what law? International law? Syria's national laws? God's laws? Islamic law? See you run into all kinds of problems when you turn away from the authority of the Bible and its WISE application to life situations, but by 'application' I am not referring to the false applications of an ideologue or something like that, a cult member - you name it.
God bless all abundantly,
Galadriel2
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