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RE: Would You Respect Biden as President? - 10/7/2008 12:51:14 PM
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stamper_ben
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And I thought he was chosen to be there in case of impeachment...
Actually, Al Gore got to vote a couple of times. As close as the Senate is should it stay that way I wouldn't be surprised if the next VP got to vote.
I meant that Biden was picked as VP under Obama to be the new Prez in the event of Obama's impeachment, not that he'd vote on the matter in the Senate.
But I wonder how he would vote in the case of a tie?
Hmmm.... 
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RE: Would You Respect Biden as President? - 10/7/2008 4:17:00 PM
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rlj
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I meant that Biden was picked as VP under Obama to be the new Prez in the event of Obama's impeachment, not that he'd vote on the matter in the Senate.
But I wonder how he would vote in the case of a tie?
Hmmm....
I never thought of anyone picking a VP for the purpose of "If I get impeached this guy will take over". I always considered Presidents to arrogant to believe they could ever do such a bad job or break the law. We can go back through the years and see candidates of both sides who have engaged in some pretty "shady" activity for lack of a word that implies wrong but less force then "shady".
My thinking in recent elections (Cheney is an exception to this he is just a brutal, evil, ruthless lord of the Sith and Palin I have said I liked) is candidates like idiotic VP candidates because it makes them feel better about themselves. An ego boost kind of thing.
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RE: Would You Respect Biden as President? - 10/7/2008 5:38:01 PM
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Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential candidate, and her husband, Todd, gave 1.5 percent of their income to charity last year and 3.3 percent in 2006, according to tax returns she released on Friday, The Chronicle of Philanthropy reports.
Not exactly tithing either, eh? But I guess, since they're Republicans, then it's not hypocritical not to give much to charity because they don't really care about the poor anyway...
BTW: Obama donated over $240,000 to charity (nearly 6% of his income -- mostly through book sales) last year -- four times what the Palins did in percentage terms. How convenient that you left that little fact out. What's Sarah Palin's excuse? They're millionaires themselves.
To be honest, what other people give to charity is none my business -- and really is none of yours too. These ridiculous rants reflect badly on one person only -- you.
Palin needs to give more to charity. I'll give the mother of five children, one disabled, who lives in the state with possibly the highest cost of living in the nation a little wiggle room.
There is nothing to exonerate BHO. He's always been cheap. He's a millionaire who sends his children to an elite school that costs $20,000 each and has a brother that lives in a shack.
He's a johnny come lately to charity, increasing his giving only after he decided to run for President. From 2000-2004 the Obamas made $1,200,000 and gave less than 1% to charity.
From '99-'07, the most the Bidens gave in any year was $995, the least was $120. Most years they gave less than $380. That rivals Al Gore for cheapness. The Prince of Energy Hogs gave less than $400 to charity in '97, when he was VP of the USA.
Conservative are far more generous with their money than liberals. ALL of the states who gave more than average to charity in 2004 went for GWB, none for Kerry.
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RE: Would You Respect Biden as President? - 10/7/2008 8:53:30 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_biden
With a net worth between $59,000 and $366,000, and almost no outside income or investment income, he is consistently ranked as one of the least wealthy members of the Senate.[61][62][63] Biden states that he has been listed as the second poorest member in Congress, a distinction that he is not proud of, but attributes it to being elected early in his career.[64]
I think Biden may not have given that much to charity (which is not for us to judge though), because he himself never had much. He became a lawyer in 1969 and then elected to county council in 1970 and Senate in 1972....
He never had the time/opportunity to make millions in private sector law practice or business like others. So this I just don't hold against him in regards to his character or qualifications for V.P./Pres.
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Stop with the ridiculous argument. Biden earned $319,853 last year and gave whopping $995 to charity, a miniscule 0.3% of his income.
Hey LJMAC,
I think we need to be careful. I am not aware of Biden's charity giving and what his full financial status is, but I think even if I was aware of everything that it would be something out of the reach of political critique and analysis of a candidate's fitness for Pres./V.P. ...
I think first and foremost, though, we need to approach this with a Christ-like heart. We need to not judge, not pick on a person's private affairs (unless absolutely relevant), nor take up petty fights/battles. Having said that, I do feel it's difficult to see the relevance of a person's charity giving to their bid for political office. While it may indicate generosity in some cases, it may not always be discernable in others. What is in the heart is most important.
Given that I do not know what was in Biden's heart when he gave, nor do I know all of the times he gave (whether tithing, to charity, to his family, etc.), I just don't feel comfortable speculating too much here.
I think the Wiki profile link did shed some light on his financial situation as being the second poorest member of Congress. It makes sense that he may have struggled financially. Law school generally costs $200,000 (not including any undergraduate loans he may have incurred) and since he only worked two years as a lawyer before going into the Senate, he would not have amassed enough money to pay off loans, acrue strong savings, and make good investments. If he was later supporting his family, much of his Senatorial salary would have been used up there too.
Regardless, I just think it is not within our scope and boundaries of authority to judge Biden on his charitable giving. Unless he donated to terrorists or something, which we can critique, I don't think we should say he gave too little. Maybe he gave in ways we do not know and his heart was right. Some give a lot, but have a wicked heart. It's hard to know for sure and it's probably not right to speculate on this.
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RE: Would You Respect Biden as President? - 10/7/2008 11:13:54 PM
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I respect the office of the president. While I am not a Joe Biden fan he is not so disagreeable to me that I would break that principle.
Of course the bar for politicians is so low. Only one notch ahead of civil trial lawyers & salesmen*.
* I'm talking about the traditional salesman who tries to hard sell people and won't take no for an answer. I find that to be an immoral way to make a living. I'm not saying that anyone who works in the sales industry is bad but I don't like it when a salesman initiates personal contact via visit or phone. It is always an unwelcome intrusion and that should never happen period.
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