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Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 5:14:41 PM
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Evangel70
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During McCain's speech to the congress this week, he said it was time to put aside partisan bickering and do what's best for the country. Given that there are only about 30 days left til the elections, do you believe McCain will take his own advise and stick to the issues and comparing his record to Obama's or do you believe he will run a negative attack campaign to try to excite his base (at the risk of losing moderates and independents) and get a higher voter turnout (at least among the conservatives)?
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 5:23:59 PM
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I certainly hope McCain gets tougher with his campaigning because his insistence on an "honorable campaign" is letting 0bama get away with murder. McCain thins that calling a spade a spade is somehow dishonorable, and so he misses vital opportunities to highlight how deceitful and dishonest 0bama and Biden are. He lets them get away with way too much and it is up to faithful conservative watchdogs to call the 0bama campaign to the carpet.
Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are politically retarded, and all they base their decisions off of are campaign ads and the dominant liberal mass media's fawning over the messiah.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 5:40:32 PM
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Evangel70
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Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are politically retarded, and all they base their decisions off of are campaign ads and the dominant liberal mass media's fawning over the messiah.
Do you believe it's more important to win an election than to keep your word to run an honorable campaign? There's nothing wrong with pointing out differences in ideologies or voting records or even exploiting gaffes, but are outright lies or misrepresentations exceptable to Christians if it gets a candidate elected?
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 5:58:41 PM
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Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are politically retarded, and all they base their decisions off of are campaign ads and the dominant liberal mass media's fawning over the messiah.
Do you believe it's more important to win an election than to keep your word to run an honorable campaign? There's nothing wrong with pointing out differences in ideologies or voting records or even exploiting gaffes, but are outright lies or misrepresentations exceptable to Christians if it gets a candidate elected?
I haven't heard lies yet...except from Obama.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 6:18:48 PM
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I haven't heard lies yet...except from Obama.
Have your checked out Factcheck.org lately? They have a fair analysis of the last presidential debate as well as the VP debate. Judge for yourself.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 6:23:45 PM
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I haven't heard lies yet...except from Obama.
Have your checked out Factcheck.org lately? They have a fair analysis of the last presidential debate as well as the VP debate. Judge for yourself.
Obama is not even President yet and has already broken his first campaign promise by opting out of the federal public financing system.
Let's keep score since you are so convinced Obama will be elected. So far he has broken AT LEAST one promise before even being elected.
Does fact check have anything to say about that?
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 6:28:56 PM
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Does fact check have anything to say about that?
As a matter of fact, yes, they do. Factcheck slams Obama as often as McCain. The site verifies what is being said rather than telling you who to vote for.
Check It Out
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 6:39:51 PM
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Does fact check have anything to say about that?
As a matter of fact, yes, they do. Factcheck slams Obama as often as McCain. The site verifies what is being said rather than telling you who to vote for.
Check It Out
Great.
Now how many people want to vote for a guy who has ALREADY broken a campaign promise?
He has already shown that he has no moral sense when it comes to his promises. Suddenly everything he promises are suspect. Now the ONLY reason to vote for him is that he is black. (or perhaps because you think he IS the Messiah - or perhaps the 12th Imam.)
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 6:54:20 PM
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Has anyone noticed what BHO has done with his promises to withdraw from Iraq? About a year and a half ago he demanded that they withdraw immediately. Since then he's been calling for a withdraw in 16 months, but he never subtracts a single minute from those 16 months. Months and months have gone by, but his clock for withdrawal never winds down.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 6:57:50 PM
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I haven't heard lies yet...except from Obama.
Are you kidding me? Have you even been paying attention to this election?
Has Obama's side sometimes cut corners on the facts?
Sure.
But don't tell me that McCain and company are a choir of angels, especially when he's surrounded himself with the same hit-job political consultants Bush employed (ironically) against him in 2000.
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Now how many people want to vote for a guy who has ALREADY broken a campaign promise?
Oh, please.
If McCain had as much access to this money--the vast majority of which for Obama comes from Internet donations--do you think he'd refuse it?
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 7:00:48 PM
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In answer to the lead question, yes, McCain will go big negative against Obama from here on out. Considering his slide in swing state and national polling, he frankly has little choice.
However, my guess is that undecided voters (the very ones he needs to get elected) will smell McCain's desperation, and be turned off by it.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 7:04:01 PM
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Dubya
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In answer to the lead question, yes, McCain will go big negative against Obama from here on out. Considering his slide in swing state and national polling, he frankly has little choice.
However, my guess is that undecided voters (the very ones he needs to get elected) will smell McCain's desperation, and be turned off by it.
My guess is that Obama does not have the inner strength to keep from fighting fire with fire. I suspect he will turn off voters as well... and he has more to lose.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 7:07:21 PM
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My guess is that Obama does not have the inner strength to keep from fighting fire with fire. I suspect he will turn off voters as well... and he has more to lose.
Not if he is responding to McCain from a defensive position. Otherwise, Obama always has the option of ignoring McCain's attacks, and keep hitting him on the issues.
Voters do not want bickering, they want viable solutions.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 7:12:17 PM
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Dubya
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My guess is that Obama does not have the inner strength to keep from fighting fire with fire. I suspect he will turn off voters as well... and he has more to lose.
Not if he is responding to McCain from a defensive position. Otherwise, Obama always has the option of ignoring McCain's attacks, and keep hitting him on the issues.
Sure he has that option. Let's see if he uses it.
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Voters do not want bickering, they want viable solutions.
You and I... maybe.
The vast voting populace want bumper stickers, sound bites, and analysis by SNL.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 7:19:56 PM
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The vast voting populace want bumper stickers, sound bites, and analysis by SNL.
SNL has been satirizing presidents and elections since the show began (yikes) 33 years ago.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 7:47:45 PM
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Dubya
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The vast voting populace want bumper stickers, sound bites, and analysis by SNL.
SNL has been satirizing presidents and elections since the show began (yikes) 33 years ago.
Yep. I remember. I was a pretty loyal watcher for several years.
In fact, I had a girl friend who always thought the "Week-end Update" skit was real.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 7:54:05 PM
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Voters do not want bickering, they want viable solutions.
Provided the solutions hurt someone other than themselves: such as the Big Boogieman.
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/4/2008 11:25:51 PM
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The vast voting populace want bumper stickers, sound bites, and analysis by SNL.
SNL has been satirizing presidents and elections since the show began (yikes) 33 years ago.
Yep. I remember. I was a pretty loyal watcher for several years.
In fact, I had a girl friend who always thought the "Week-end Update" skit was real.
I'm Impressed YOU actually dated Governor Pallin! Way to go!  (couldn't resist that one)
As for the OP. I believe that below the belt political ad's will hurt hinder either camp.
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How can McCain compare records? - 10/4/2008 11:56:17 PM
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...do you believe McCain will take his own advise and stick to the issues and comparing his record to Obama's...
Uh... Evangel70... HOW can McCain compare his record with Obama's when Obama HAS no record with which to compare???? A hundred or so days in the Senate? And, not one substantial authored bill in even that time???
What's to run against when it comes to RECORDS???? Obama hasn't accomplished anything to use as a basis of comparison!!! 
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/5/2008 12:39:44 AM
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I certainly hope McCain gets tougher with his campaigning because his insistence on an "honorable campaign" is letting 0bama get away with murder.
And loose the independents and the election. Boy, that sounds like a plan.
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Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are politically retarded, and all they base their decisions off of are campaign ads and the dominant liberal mass media's fawning over the messiah.
Ohhhhh...there goes our hope for a theocracy.
FreddieD
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RE: Will the McCain Campaign Go Ugly? - 10/5/2008 1:52:20 AM
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ManimalX
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I certainly hope McCain gets tougher with his campaigning because his insistence on an "honorable campaign" is letting 0bama get away with murder.
And loose the independents and the election. Boy, that sounds like a plan.
McCain doesn't seem to realize that exposing the opponents flaws is not dishonorable. I don't understand this. Run ads about 0bama and Biden flat lying about things they have said and done. Run ads about 0bama's corrupt campaign advisors and anti-American acquaintances. Run ads about 0bama's socialist/communist policies. Run ads about 0bama's support of infanticide and homosexuality. That isn't dishonorable, it is wise campaigning. Of course McCain won't do that, which may cost him an election.
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Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are politically retarded, and all they base their decisions off of are campaign ads and the dominant liberal mass media's fawning over the messiah.
Ohhhhh...there goes our hope for a theocracy.
FreddieD
Ummm....
Huh? I like arguing with you, Freddie, but I don't get the point of this one. 
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