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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 7:14:48 PM
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ManimalX
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A small detail, but the statement that Wal-Mart employees don't have health care or have poor health care is completely false. I worked as a peon in Wal-Mart for three years as the overnight meat-department dude. My health care plan was just as good and just as affordable as any other place I have worked. It was actually a little cheaper and had a little more flexibility than some places I have worked.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 7:58:35 PM
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ManimalX
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You know this an unending issue. God has put it in some of our hearts to vote for McCain/Palin, in others Obama/Biden. He has his reason for this and it really is not for us to question.
This kind of thinking needs to be rejected and flushed. The fact is that God's Spirit isn't divided, having one hand tear down what the other hand is building up or vice versa. To assert that God would divide His people is just silly and completely unbilibcal. Remember when the people accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of demons? Do you remember His response? God will not divide His house. Here is the truth: God is moving on people's hearts to vote for 0bama OR He is moving on people's hearts to vote for McCain OR He is moving on people's hearts to vote for a third party OR He is moving on people's hearts to not vote at all. He is NOT encouraging "all of the above", telling us all to vote willy-nilly, a few for this guy, a few for that guy. It is only out of a foolish relativistic worldview that anyone could assert that God wants two mutually exclusive things at the same time.
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God alone only knows his purpose.
Absolutely true, in the ultimate sense anyway.
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We may each view the others candidate choice as being bad and perhaps ungodly. Unfortunately, we cannot truly predict who will be the best and worst choice.
No, but it should be pretty easy to get a feel for which cadnidate will lead the country in a mroe righteous manner and direction. Should be, but not, seeing professing Christians blindly devoting themselves to the obviously unrighteous 0bama.
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If you think Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin is the worst choice how do you know God will still not accomplish great things through them if they are elected. There are many times in the OT where God accomplished his purpose through unbelieving Kings.
And that wasn't always such a pleasant thing for the people. When the people wickedly requested a king, God gave them the unrighteous Saul. God has no problem letting the people have the unrighteous and wicked ruler they ask for, and an evil ruler can easily be used for judgment upon a nation. I hope ours isn't around the corner.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 8:39:26 PM
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campbe33
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This kind of thinking needs to be rejected and flushed. The fact is that God's Spirit isn't divided, having one hand tear down what the other hand is building up or vice versa. To assert that God would divide His people is just silly and completely unbilibcal. Remember when the people accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of demons? Do you remember His response? God will not divide His house. Here is the truth: God is moving on people's hearts to vote for 0bama OR He is moving on people's hearts to vote for McCain OR He is moving on people's hearts to vote for a third party OR He is moving on people's hearts to not vote at all. He is NOT encouraging "all of the above", telling us all to vote willy-nilly, a few for this guy, a few for that guy. It is only out of a foolish relativistic worldview that anyone could assert that God wants two mutually exclusive things at the same time.
I get the point.
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No, but it should be pretty easy to get a feel for which cadnidate will lead the country in a mroe righteous manner and direction. Should be, but not, seeing professing Christians blindly devoting themselves to the obviously unrighteous 0bama.
Why is it people are willing to turn a blind-eye to McCain's shortcomings? How does one really know who is most righteous? It seems most people are basing who's the better man on just a couple of issues. If Obama is the dubbed the "Black Messiah" then McCain should surely be dubbed the "White Messiah". Even though you think Obama is this great unrighteous man, if God has put it in the hearts of "Christians" to vote for him how can you fault these people. If you fault them you're basically faulting God. How can you really know any candidate when during election time they all put on their "Righteous Face". Things aren't always as they appear.
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And that wasn't always such a pleasant thing for the people. When the people wickedly requested a king, God gave them the unrighteous Saul. God has no problem letting the people have the unrighteous and wicked ruler they ask for, and an evil ruler can easily be used for judgment upon a nation. I hope ours isn't around the corner.
King Saul did not start out as unrighteous. I was referring to King Xerxeres, King Darius and King Cyrus. They were foreign Kings God used to fulfill his will.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 11:11:08 PM
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TMeeks
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Writerchick,
I am sorry that I have lived long enough to see the decline of this country as the desire of socialism has increased to the point that I can read a list of what you are voting for from a Christian. The narcissism is palpable.
We have come a long, long way from John F. Kennedy, when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you; but, what you can do for your country."
You just stomped on that and trampled it right into the ground with a vengeance.
I do not have time to devote to just how appalling your list is to me at this very moment. But, I will come back to visit each and every one of them, for your view that government is something that exists as a great big pot of money from which people can draw is so off target from how our founding fathers saw it that it more closely resembles a four year old's view of their parents.
Pretty sad. Sadder still is that you probably have no idea where it all ends.
Sorry you feel that way. However, nothing about what I'm voting for is unBiblical. In fact, if you'll recall, Paul talked about the Christians bringing what they had to the church so no one lacked for anything. If it's good enough for the Church, why isn't it good enough for the government. So from your comment, am I to understand that you find Paul's teaching appalling?
Please think about it for a moment. In the case of the church, it was a group of believers that VOLUNTARILY shared what they had with others in the group. And, even within the church some people took advantage of the generousity of their fellow believers.
There is a VAST difference between VOLUNTARY contributions and CONFISCATORY actions by the government. I am sure you would never walk into a neighbor's house and take money out of their wallet directly. Yet, you ARE willing to take even greater amounts out of your neighbor's pocket for causes YOU think should be done. Government 'charity' is NEVER voluntary. It is ALWAYS confiscatory and mandatory. That is a FAR cry from the Biblical model.
Anyone that has studied the Scriptures closely knows that for every TRUTH in the Scriptures you can find a counterfeit masked as 'truth' and government socialism is that counterfeit. It is a lie (confiscation) masked as truth (voluntary charity).
For examle, let's look at your call for 'Free' tuition and see it for what it REALLY is in a little more detail.
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I am voting for free Community College tuition and a 2/3 off the tuition of public colleges and universities.
I am voting for these funds to be available when tuition is due and not as a reimbursement.
First, tuition can NEVER be truly free for the institution has to pay employees, purchase equipment and maintain facilities. What you are actually saying is "I want to go to college but I shouldn't have to pay for it. Somebody else should pay for it for me." And, since you don't have the nerve to go steal it from your neighbors, you want the government to confiscate it from them.
The government doesn't have one thin dime. The ONLY money that it has is what it confiscates from the citizens by force of law. So, when you say that you want 'the government' to provide you a free education you are really saying that you want each of your neighbors to cough up the money for your tuition. And, since you don't care how much it costs, since you aren't paying for it, then you really have no interest or incentive to make sure that the education you get is worth what it costs. YOU think it is FREE. But, the costs that you take from your neighbor might be the difference between their being able to afford something important to them or not. But, you don't think about that. After all, your FREE tuition is what is important... not what THEY wanted to do with THEIR money that was confiscated to pay your free tuition.
Oh! And, by the way, they might have wanted free internet service and they want YOU to pay for it. So, YOU are paying for what THEY want and THEY are paying for what YOU want. So, why do it at all. Why don't YOU pay for your school and THEY pay for their internet service. In both cases you are both out the same money while being duped into thinking it was FREE. Of course, you are both perfectly willing to have those that DON'T need to go to school or have internet service pony up part of your costs... and, that is what you are REALLY counting on. Insane, isn't it?
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What's sad is that you see Obama as an opposite to Kennedy. Granted, JFK died long before I was even born, but from his quote it seems that he wanted government by the people.
The fact that you were not alive when Kennedy was president is obvious and is behind the fact that you seem to fail to understand the real nature of socialism vs. the truth of the actions of the early church. But, make no mistake about it. Kennedy would be called a right wing radical in today's political climate. I WAS alive when Kennedy was president. And, I have closely followed the left that had festered for years until it broke open in Johnson's administration. Obama is a PRODUCT and PROTEGE of the left that goes right back to the streets of DC and Chicago in the 1960's.
Listen again to Kennedy and see if this can be twisted in any way to the attitude of Obama supporters.
ASK NOT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN DO FOR YOU.
Yet, your list and everyone supporting Obama are asking the government to do virtually EVERYTHING for them. You want the govenment to give you healthcare. You want the government to give you free tuition. You want the government to lower your prescription costs. You want the government to pay for heating and cooling. You want the government to give you broadband. You want the government to force your company to allow you to telecommute. In short, you are doing EXACTLY the opposite of Kennedy's call to my generation.
ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY
Those who are looking for the government to be their solution have nothing to offer. How can receivers be givers? They can't. What they want is for OTHERS to be givers so that they can take. They want OTHERS to do for their country (rich paying more taxes... corporations paying more taxes, etc.) so that they can RECEIVE from their country. But, it always collapses. Always.
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That's the exact same thing Obama stands for. He's giving us the option to get involved and make our country better. Not just for a select few. But for everyone. There's nothing sad about that.
When I read this, all I can think about is just how sad it is that our young people actually believe that Obama or any of the left politicians actually care for anything but absolute power. You have made a statement that sounds wonderful in a general sense. But, I'm guessing that you will find it very difficult for you to give specifics behind the claim.
I want specifics. Get involved in what? And, make our country better how? These are great platitudes. I want to hear specifically how asking government to give you everything is going to make it better?
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I am not voting for a man married to a drug addict who stole the drugs from her own charity.
That's just plain SICK and dispicable. In reading this, I have the feeling that you know absolutely NOTHING about the Mind of Christ and redemption. Absolutely NOTHING. Cindy McCain, WAS addicted to prescription drugs due to back pain. She was operated on in 1993 and has been free from that addiction for more than 15 years. It is inconcievable that one who understands the frailty of humans and the complete forgiveness of Christ to write as if she were STILL addicted. I can see you are truly a caring and loving person. 
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I am not voting for a man who would offer up his true identity the first moment he was captured in exchange for medical attention then brag about how he didn't break later.
To sit in your cushy chair whinning for free tuition RIGHT NOW (not reimbursed) and then make this accusation against a man that was shot out of the sky in service to his country and then captured by a brutal captor is absolutely pitiful. I'm not sure that free tuition would help much since you apparently have never bothered to watch videos of the incredibly harsh treatment that our fallen flyers faced even before they got to their cells. Some things just leave me reeling and this accusation was certainly one of them.
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I am not voting for a man who would retreat to safety inside an aircraft carrier that's on fire to watch the rest of the crew try to save the ship on the closed circuit TV.
I have absolutely NO respect for trying to make something of that horrible incident. It demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the organization of a ship and borders on the kind of lemming mentality that I see in so many Obama supporters. I am guessing that you never bothered to find out just how horrific that fire was and where McCain was when it began. So, at least look here.
A flying officer, with the exception of the Operations Officer, would not be trained in fire control. They would only get in the way. To suggest that McCain should have grabbed a fire hose is ignorance in the highest degree. It's nice that you get your biographical truth from a Rolling Stones hatchet job where this nonsense was first published. Believe me, had McCain shown cowardice in that conflagration he would have been out of the service in a heartbeat.
The more I poured over your message, the more I understood. Let's get together here in 5 years after your favorite son has worked his magic on this country. I predict that there will be crises after crises and each one will require more control and fewer freedoms. I know that I will be able to say that I stood up against a deceptive tyrant. I'm very interested in what you will have to say.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 11:59:38 PM
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TMeeks
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It's NOT a small detail. It demonstrates that the left's lies are swallowed without any critical review... even by Christians that should always aspire for determining the truth.
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A small detail, but the statement that Wal-Mart employees don't have health care or have poor health care is completely false. I worked as a peon in Wal-Mart for three years as the overnight meat-department dude. My health care plan was just as good and just as affordable as any other place I have worked. It was actually a little cheaper and had a little more flexibility than some places I have worked.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/8/2008 1:55:03 PM
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I'm voting for the guy who isn't eager to get rid of the progress we've made for the unborn the second he gets into office.
I'm voting for the guy who thinks that babies from botched abortions should be given medical care, not left to die alone, unloved, and in terrible pain.
I'm voting for the guy who loves his brother by actually giving a good percentage of his OWN money to help the poor and encouraging others to do likewise... not by robbing the "rich" to give to the "poor" who will vote for him while his actual brother by blood lives in poverty.
I'm voting for the guy who will appoint justices who actually know that it's not their job to legislate things from the bench that could never have been pushed through if the American people had had anything to say about it.
I'm voting for the guy who actually has some experience, even if he isn't as charismatic.
I couldn't have said it better myself! That is who I am voting for too!
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/8/2008 7:02:20 PM
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DCE1976
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I am voting for America to create new jobs that can't be outsourced by becoming a pioneer in the first wave of green technologies.
I am voting for a simplified tax system that will allow us to complete our taxes in five minutes.
I am voting to give American workers the right to unionize their workplace without threats and intimidation from their employer.
I am voting for a higher minimum wage that will be indexed to inflation so less people work their butts off and still live in poverty.
I am voting that we negotiate lower prescription drug prices for the Medicaid program.
I am voting to allow the import of prescriptions from other countries who have lower prices.
I am voting for increased funding to LIHEAP to help more seniors pay their heating bills in winter and cooling bills in summer so they don't die from the elements.
I am voting for free Community College tuition and a 2/3 off the tuition of public colleges and universities.
I am voting for these funds to be available when tuition is due and not as a reimbursement.
I am voting for increased pay for school teachers.
I am voting for a simplified FAFSA application.
I am voting to shut down offshore tax shelters.
I am voting to modernize rural phone service so that rural broadband becomes more widespread and affordable.
I am voting to expand flexible work arrangements and increase federal incentives for telecommuting.
I am voting for a man who is the husband of one wife. 1 Timothy 3:2
I am voting for a man who ruleth well his own house. 1 Timothy 3:4
I am voting for a man who shows his love for God by loving his brother. 1 John 4:20
I am voting for Barack Obama.
I am not voting for an adulterer.
I am not voting for a man who would oppress the hireling in his wages.
I am not voting for a man who would smear someone's character by demanding an apology for a comment that was deliberately taken out of context.
Malachi 3:5
I am not voting for a man who would retreat to safety inside an aircraft carrier that's on fire to watch the rest of the crew try to save the ship on the closed circuit TV.
I am not voting for a man who would offer up his true identity the first moment he was captured in exchange for medical attention then brag about how he didn't break later.
I am not voting for a man who would leave his crippled wife for a woman half his age.
I am not voting for a man married to a drug addict who stole the drugs from her own charity.
No. I am not voting for John McCain.
EXCELLENT POST!
Obama/Biden 2008!
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