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Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/4/2008 1:13:50 PM
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poohgirl222
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Putting all parties aside it's not whether you vote republican or democrat it matters what and who you are truly voting for exactly. Within each of us we hold what is important to us and what we value the most, that will be reflected in our political choices as well.
For the christian I think even a higher standard is involved in what and who we support. The bible tells us we are either for God or we are not. So, what we value and what we stand for then should be a clear reflection of what we support. There are no perfect candidates on either side both have faults without any doubt. Both have done wrong and both have made mistakes. However, when each of us go to the polls to place our vote we are giving our voice to what we support and who we are as a people. We must own what we stand for and take responsibility to what and who we vote for too.
What I know for myself is that God is for life and I am voting to support the life of every baby, I am voting for the babies right to live, I am voting to keep marriage as God intended with one man and one woman, I am voting to keep religious freedom, I am voting to keep our country safe, I am voting for the man most capable of doing so, I am voting to keep education open with options for families not governement dictating what they must do, I am voting for conservative judges on the Supreme Court, I am voting for less government programs, I am voting for small business owners and I am voting to keep the freedoms each of us enjoy in this country.
I support feeding and clothing the poor through local churches. Our church is doing it in the local community and are meeting the needs directly.
What and Who are you voting for this election?
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/4/2008 2:54:46 PM
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I am voting for experience in the White House. Which I believe will make us more secure, the primary function of government.
I am voting against increasing abortion rights, a human rights issue.
I am voting against an even bigger increase in government. While I feel for the poor I don't believe increased government intervention will make the lives of Americans in general any better.
Wrongheaded help is rarely helpful (despite what may be good intentions) but always wrongheaded.
And thats pretty much it.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/6/2008 6:32:39 PM
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writerchick
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I am voting for America to create new jobs that can't be outsourced by becoming a pioneer in the first wave of green technologies.
I am voting for a simplified tax system that will allow us to complete our taxes in five minutes.
I am voting to give American workers the right to unionize their workplace without threats and intimidation from their employer.
I am voting for a higher minimum wage that will be indexed to inflation so less people work their butts off and still live in poverty.
I am voting that we negotiate lower prescription drug prices for the Medicaid program.
I am voting to allow the import of prescriptions from other countries who have lower prices.
I am voting for increased funding to LIHEAP to help more seniors pay their heating bills in winter and cooling bills in summer so they don't die from the elements.
I am voting for free Community College tuition and a 2/3 off the tuition of public colleges and universities.
I am voting for these funds to be available when tuition is due and not as a reimbursement.
I am voting for increased pay for school teachers.
I am voting for a simplified FAFSA application.
I am voting to shut down offshore tax shelters.
I am voting to modernize rural phone service so that rural broadband becomes more widespread and affordable.
I am voting to expand flexible work arrangements and increase federal incentives for telecommuting.
I am voting for a man who is the husband of one wife. 1 Timothy 3:2
I am voting for a man who ruleth well his own house. 1 Timothy 3:4
I am voting for a man who shows his love for God by loving his brother. 1 John 4:20
I am voting for Barack Obama.
I am not voting for an adulterer.
I am not voting for a man who would oppress the hireling in his wages.
I am not voting for a man who would smear someone's character by demanding an apology for a comment that was deliberately taken out of context.
Malachi 3:5
I am not voting for a man who would retreat to safety inside an aircraft carrier that's on fire to watch the rest of the crew try to save the ship on the closed circuit TV.
I am not voting for a man who would offer up his true identity the first moment he was captured in exchange for medical attention then brag about how he didn't break later.
I am not voting for a man who would leave his crippled wife for a woman half his age.
I am not voting for a man married to a drug addict who stole the drugs from her own charity.
No. I am not voting for John McCain.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/6/2008 9:44:34 PM
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Writerchick, even though I disagree with some of the things you are voting for, you showed you're no different than those you don't like when you added that last punch for good measure.
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I am voting for America to create new jobs that can't be outsourced by becoming a pioneer in the first wave of green technologies.
Soinds good, but how can America create new jobs? Are you referring to the government, or the evil corporations that create jobs? And, if we've been seeking green technology for 30+ years, why haven't we gotten there? Is it because the corporations haven't produced it? Or, is it because the demand is not there?
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I am voting for a simplified tax system that will allow us to complete our taxes in five minutes.
I really like this one.
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I am voting to give American workers the right to unionize their workplace without threats and intimidation from their employer.
I used to agree with this. But, I've seen unions kill incentive to rise above. UNioons have done great things for people, but they've become a victim of their own success.
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I am voting for a higher minimum wage that will be indexed to inflation so less people work their butts off and still live in poverty.
I still don't get how this is going to fix anything. Wages raise because the government says they have to then the costs are passed on to the consumer. So, while the high school dropout or unskilled laborer is happy to get a bigger paycheck, they pay more for goods and services because of the increased costs of their labor.
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I am voting to modernize rural phone service so that rural broadband becomes more widespread and affordable.
Is this something the government belongs in? I live in a rural area where I can't get broadband. I have satellite. The options are out there if one does the research.
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I am voting to expand flexible work arrangements and increase federal incentives for telecommuting.
Another good one. But why have the government tell employers they have to. It's another cost that gets passed on.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/6/2008 10:12:14 PM
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I am not voting for a man who would offer up his true identity the first moment he was captured in exchange for medical attention then brag about how he didn't break later.
According to the United States Military Code of Conduct (Article V), if a US soldier becomes a POW he/she is required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. So that does not constitute "breaking" - it means he was following his training and obeying the Code.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/6/2008 11:27:36 PM
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writerchick
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Writerchick, even though I disagree with some of the things you are voting for, you showed you're no different than those you don't like when you added that last punch for good measure.
What last punch? You mean it's okay for you to bring up Obama's "failings," but somehow we should just let McCain's stay swept under the rug?
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I am voting for America to create new jobs that can't be outsourced by becoming a pioneer in the first wave of green technologies.
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Soinds good, but how can America create new jobs? Are you referring to the government, or the evil corporations that create jobs? And, if we've been seeking green technology for 30+ years, why haven't we gotten there? Is it because the corporations haven't produced it? Or, is it because the demand is not there?
There's much more push for green technologies now. In fact, this may be the one area that gets our manufacturing sector back on track. Once we pioneer the tech we can sell it to other countries and send our workers over there to get them up and running.
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I am voting for a simplified tax system that will allow us to complete our taxes in five minutes.
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I really like this one.
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I am voting to give American workers the right to unionize their workplace without threats and intimidation from their employer.
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I used to agree with this. But, I've seen unions kill incentive to rise above. UNioons have done great things for people, but they've become a victim of their own success.
So learn from the past and don't make that mistake again. It's long past time that Wal-Mart workers were unionized.
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I am voting for a higher minimum wage that will be indexed to inflation so less people work their butts off and still live in poverty.
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I still don't get how this is going to fix anything. Wages raise because the government says they have to then the costs are passed on to the consumer. So, while the high school dropout or unskilled laborer is happy to get a bigger paycheck, they pay more for goods and services because of the increased costs of their labor.
That's why it's indexed to inflation. That's an incentive to keep costs down.
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I am voting to modernize rural phone service so that rural broadband becomes more widespread and affordable.
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Is this something the government belongs in? I live in a rural area where I can't get broadband. I have satellite. The options are out there if one does the research.
Maybe not everyone is as proactive as you. It's about getting everyone plugged in. Not just a few.
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I am voting to expand flexible work arrangements and increase federal incentives for telecommuting.
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Another good one. But why have the government tell employers they have to. It's another cost that gets passed on.
How is this a cost that gets passed on? The federal government will be giving employers money to let their workers stay at home. This is a win-win for companies. They won't have to rent as much office space. They won't have to pay for parking. And the government is giving them money? There's no cost to pass on to a consumer.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/6/2008 11:30:18 PM
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writerchick
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I am not voting for a man who would offer up his true identity the first moment he was captured in exchange for medical attention then brag about how he didn't break later.
According to the United States Military Code of Conduct (Article V), if a US soldier becomes a POW he/she is required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. So that does not constitute "breaking" - it means he was following his training and obeying the Code.
-Robb
He told them more than his name, rank, service number and birth date. He bragged who his father was which turned him into a valuable prisoner. He also told them about his missions which they in turn reported to the New York Times. So maybe he didn't "break" exactly. He just couldn't keep his mouth closed.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 12:00:05 AM
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I'm voting for someone who will appoint constructionist judges to the SCOTUS. I don't want judges who are empathetic but impartial.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 12:41:34 AM
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zamdad
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How is this a cost that gets passed on? The federal government will be giving employers money to let their workers stay at home. This is a win-win for companies. They won't have to rent as much office space. They won't have to pay for parking. And the government is giving them money? There's no cost to pass on to a consumer.
IN other words, we'll be paying companies to keep their workers home? Where do you think the federal government gets all this money? If companies want to pay workers to work from home on their PC, great, let em do it. Keep the feds out of it. Whenever the federal government gets involved trying to fix something, they make it worse. Let businesses do what works for them.
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Maybe not everyone is as proactive as you. It's about getting everyone plugged in. Not just a few.
Would this be another mandate? Living out here in rural America, there are still a lot of folks who don't want anything to do with a puter. This is another cost that would be passed on to the consumer either by the companies being forced to provide the service and/or increased taxes to pay for implimentation and enforcement.
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That's why it's indexed to inflation. That's an incentive to keep costs down.
How come this hasn't worked yet? Every time we give the minimum wage a boost, it's never enough? Why is it that we think people should raise a family on a minimum wage job? These jobs were suposed to be for high schoolers and college students to earn some extra money and gain some skills. We've encouraged mediocrity by supplimenting the income of those who fill these jobs while trying to raise families. We are paying people for poor decisions such as dropping out of school.
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So learn from the past and don't make that mistake again. It's long past time that Wal-Mart workers were unionized.
But we don't learn from the past very well, do we? When we're subsidizing people who were warned that dropping out of high school was going to cost them the opportunity to gain better jobs, we're not learning from the past. We're spreading the misery. Making Wla-Mart or other companies, again, pasts the cost on to us. Enforcement of implimentation will cost me tax dollars and, Wal-Mart, will be forced to pass on their costs when I go through the checkout stand. Currently, out here in rural America, Wal-Mart is the cheapest place I can go to buy the food I can't raise or shoot. In the name of being fair you want to increase my taxes and make me pay more at the checkstand.
Why is it these ideas are great until you begin to look at your own wallet?
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 1:36:22 AM
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You know this an unending issue. God has put it in some of our hearts to vote for McCain/Palin, in others Obama/Biden. He has his reason for this and it really is not for us to question. God alone only knows his purpose.
We may each view the others candidate choice as being bad and perhaps ungodly. Unfortunately, we cannot truly predict who will be the best and worst choice. If you think Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin is the worst choice how do you know God will still not accomplish great things through them if they are elected. There are many times in the OT where God accomplished his purpose through unbelieving Kings.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 3:51:20 AM
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If I could vote (I'm a resident, not a citizen) then I would be voting for the person who can remain levelheaded and even tempered in a crisis, surround himself with the best (dare I say elite??) advisers around, someone who listens, and someone who will make the right decisions when the time comes.
It worked well for JFK (who rejected his generals' advice to escalate and strike Cuba during the missile crisis), and it will work well for Barack Obama.
There is a lot to admire about John McCain, but his barely controlled contempt and anger for his political opponents (first Romney, now Obama) and his poorly thought through, spur of the moment "Hail Mary" passes (picking Palin, "suspending his campaign then unsuspending it again) prove to me that he does not have the temperament to be the Commander in Chief (this is nothing new -- he's been a loose cannon all his life, it's who he is).
Obama may lack McCain's experience, but as everyone here will agree, since they're extremely happy for Palin to be President if something happens to McCain in January, it's not everything.
What this country needs in the next four years is competent, levelheaded, serious-minded decision making. What we don't need is four more years of the psycho-drama of the last eight. McCain's erratic leadership of his campaign proves he is not the best choice for the job.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 7:08:07 AM
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Writerchick,
I am sorry that I have lived long enough to see the decline of this country as the desire of socialism has increased to the point that I can read a list of what you are voting for from a Christian. The narcissism is palpable.
We have come a long, long way from John F. Kennedy, when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you; but, what you can do for your country."
You just stomped on that and trampled it right into the ground with a vengeance.
I do not have time to devote to just how appalling your list is to me at this very moment. But, I will come back to visit each and every one of them, for your view that government is something that exists as a great big pot of money from which people can draw is so off target from how our founding fathers saw it that it more closely resembles a four year old's view of their parents.
Pretty sad. Sadder still is that you probably have no idea where it all ends.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 7:21:19 AM
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Prolife,Pro 2nd amendment, Pro constitutional constructionist judges,Pro military, less govt spending and overall smaller federal govt..
The above certainly means I in no shape form or fashion could even consider voting for Obama.
While I'll be voting for McCain, I really don't expect the govt. to get any smaller or spend much less under his leadership.
We need a voting revolution to get this country back on constitutional track.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 8:43:11 AM
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What I know for myself is that God is for life and I am voting to support the life of every baby, I am voting for the babies right to live, I am voting to keep marriage as God intended with one man and one woman, I am voting to keep religious freedom, I am voting to keep our country safe, I am voting for the man most capable of doing so,
same here....that's why I'm voting for Obama.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 10:07:45 AM
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I'm voting for the guy who isn't eager to get rid of the progress we've made for the unborn the second he gets into office.
I'm voting for the guy who thinks that babies from botched abortions should be given medical care, not left to die alone, unloved, and in terrible pain.
I'm voting for the guy who loves his brother by actually giving a good percentage of his OWN money to help the poor and encouraging others to do likewise... not by robbing the "rich" to give to the "poor" who will vote for him while his actual brother by blood lives in poverty.
I'm voting for the guy who will appoint justices who actually know that it's not their job to legislate things from the bench that could never have been pushed through if the American people had had anything to say about it.
I'm voting for the guy who actually has some experience, even if he isn't as charismatic.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 10:13:05 AM
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I am voting for the guy who wants to lower corporate income tax rates to create an environment more friendly to business.
Obama wants to raise corporate income tax rates while our rate is already higher than the average in the European Union. Companies can't compete for long with the extra tax burden, and will move to more favorable countries.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 2:30:09 PM
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writerchick
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Why is it these ideas are great until you begin to look at your own wallet?
Actually, I am considering my own wallet. And Obama is still my candidate. I understand that you feel Wal-Mart is the best option. I don't dispute that they have exceptionally low prices. However, their low prices have an extremely high cost in the end.
You may save a few pennies upfront, but you're paying more in taxes because their workers don't have adequate health care. Your community is paying for it with the loss of the Mom and Pop shops that used to line Main Street. They go out of business because they can't compete with the global giant.
Just so you know, I do live in Los Angeles now, but I grew up in small town Ohio. My father is still there. I absolutely cringed when he told me about Wal-Mart's plan to build a Super Center literally across the road from their first store that is now vacant. Have you heard of the Wal-Mart Ghost Towns? I'm really afraid my hometown is going to turn into one.
That's the true price of shopping at Wal-Mart. Despite the fact that it takes a whole lot of prayer to make ends meet every month, I will not support them by shopping there. I've been boycotting them for years.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 2:41:46 PM
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Writerchick,
I am sorry that I have lived long enough to see the decline of this country as the desire of socialism has increased to the point that I can read a list of what you are voting for from a Christian. The narcissism is palpable.
We have come a long, long way from John F. Kennedy, when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you; but, what you can do for your country."
You just stomped on that and trampled it right into the ground with a vengeance.
I do not have time to devote to just how appalling your list is to me at this very moment. But, I will come back to visit each and every one of them, for your view that government is something that exists as a great big pot of money from which people can draw is so off target from how our founding fathers saw it that it more closely resembles a four year old's view of their parents.
Pretty sad. Sadder still is that you probably have no idea where it all ends.
Sorry you feel that way. However, nothing about what I'm voting for is unBiblical. In fact, if you'll recall, Paul talked about the Christians bringing what they had to the church so no one lacked for anything. If it's good enough for the Church, why isn't it good enough for the government. So from your comment, am I to understand that you find Paul's teaching appalling?
What's sad is that you see Obama as an opposite to Kennedy. Granted, JFK died long before I was even born, but from his quote it seems that he wanted government by the people. That's the exact same thing Obama stands for. He's giving us the option to get involved and make our country better. Not just for a select few. But for everyone. There's nothing sad about that.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 2:52:06 PM
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Zhi
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As I recall, Paul also said that if a man isn't willing to work, he shouldn't eat.
2 Thess 3:10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 11 For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 12 Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.
So, while we have an obligation to take care of those who are truly in need, we also have an obligation to insist that people shoulder the responsibility for their own well-being.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 3:55:16 PM
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In fact, if you'll recall, Paul talked about the Christians bringing what they had to the church so no one lacked for anything. If it's good enough for the Church, why isn't it good enough for the government.
Tell me, writerchick, did Paul threaten Christians with jail like the IRS will do if I don't want to give? Was his call voluntary, or was it backed up with law enforcement? I find the misunderstanding of that concept appalling everytime a liberal Christian spouts it.
Ultimately, for me, this election is about stopping Obama. Had the donks nominated Hillary, I'd have been apathetic at best, but BHO...no way.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 4:24:55 PM
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zamdad
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Actually, I am considering my own wallet. And Obama is still my candidate. I understand that you feel Wal-Mart is the best option. I don't dispute that they have exceptionally low prices. However, their low prices have an extremely high cost in the end.
You may save a few pennies upfront, but you're paying more in taxes because their workers don't have adequate health care. Your community is paying for it with the loss of the Mom and Pop shops that used to line Main Street. They go out of business because they can't compete with the global giant.
What you, and your candidte, seem to be proposing is to bust big business. But, the proposals being presented are big government. Without business, big or small, government cannot survive. Government is becoming a giant parasite that is sucking its host dry.
You also have to keep in mind that competition is what has allowed Wal-Mart to grow as big as it has. Sam began his little business in Arkansas and grew it over time. Yes, he has put some mom and pop businesses out of business, but that's the nature of competition. If people don't stay current on the trends, make smart investments and take a proactive position, they are going to get eaten by the competition. It is not the job of the government to bail out those who have developed the union mentality of achieving only the minimum necessary.
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Just so you know, I do live in Los Angeles now, but I grew up in small town Ohio. My father is still there. I absolutely cringed when he told me about Wal-Mart's plan to build a Super Center literally across the road from their first store that is now vacant. Have you heard of the Wal-Mart Ghost Towns? I'm really afraid my hometown is going to turn into one.
I'm glad you explained this as it tells me somewhat about where you're comng from. I grew up in LA. I left the concrete jungle when I was 18 and moved to Alaska. Lived there for 18 years and now live in rural Minnesota. I still ahve family in LA. I can't stand going there. While the ground is all concrete, the people are plastic. For the most part, people there have no clue what life is like outside LA. As LA residents sought ot escape LA, they took themselves with them and exported their exuberant lifestyles to their new communities. It' the consumer mentality of LA that has led to the growth of Wal-Mart and the Wal-Mart ghost towns you refer to
It's funny that you boycott Wal-Mart because they don't treat their workers the way you think they should be treated. Yet, Target wants to take Christ out of Christmas and treats our soldiers like second class citizens. I'll go into target and buy something if i know I'm gonna get a better deal. But, I prefer not to shop there.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 4:29:14 PM
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I'm voting for Bob Barr, because he has the best mustache.
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RE: Who & What are You Voting For? - 10/7/2008 4:39:26 PM
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StephK
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Joined: 4/11/2005
From: Southwest Louisiana
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Just so you know, I do live in Los Angeles now, but I grew up in small town Ohio. My father is still there. I absolutely cringed when he told me about Wal-Mart's plan to build a Super Center literally across the road from their first store that is now vacant. Have you heard of the Wal-Mart Ghost Towns? I'm really afraid my hometown is going to turn into one.
There are four Super Walmart's within 20 minutes of where I live. Every last one is located in a booming retail business center. Most Super Walmart's around here are also surrounded by retail businesses. Times have changed in the past few years regarding the issue. Many of the Mom and Pop stores did adapt and specialize for niche markets and survived.
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Stephanie
The heart of the wise inclines to the right but the heart of the fool to the left.
Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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