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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/4/2008 8:44:41 AM
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delete123
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Rub him with vicks  and then give him tylenol cold (I do not use ibuprofen as it is harsher on the liver)dress him warm and he will usually sleep through the night.
Hmm, I thought it was the other way around. I seem to remember alcoholics aunts and uncles telling me to never take tylenol for a hangover because it is processed in the liver like alcohol, take ibuprofen since it isn't. LOL
They actually changed it a few years back. When I had my son the hospital pushed the pain killer over the ibuprofen, so when I was released I called an ex coworker who was a laboratory generalist. She stated that they changed it and that in fact ibuprofen is worse than tylenol on the liver.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/5/2008 6:34:01 PM
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delete123
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delete123,
I am not even going to bother commenting on your other statement...for the record, I am a nurse and a child care provider...oh, and a MOM... so I'll bet you can figure out how I feel about it...
but can you please give confirmation as to the accuracy of your above statement regarding Tylenol vs Ibuprofen...because medical doctors and hospitals here do not at all teach that line of thinking...as Ibuprofen is filtered thru the kidneys and Tylenol is filtered thru the liver.
Naproxen (which has a form of Ibuprofen in it) is filtered thru the liver...but not Advil....I am not sure of your reasoning. Please explain or give a link.
Thank you.
If you read my post before this you will see that I got the information from a trsuted friend that I worked with in a hospital. And Yes I am as well a mom and a medical employee. (I did Phlebotomy and Histology)
Unfortunately I have forgotten the comoradie between clinical laboratory technicians and other staff such as nurses and doctors.
You just reminded me that maybe I want to change my profession that I did for years. (Because *some* of the great nurses I worked with who carelessly left a dirty need in the patients bed or the one who would not contain her patient I still have to be tested on a regular basis.)
As far as the information about cold medicine it should not matter what I believe or someone else believes, because ultimately the person who needs to make the decision will make it on their own beliefs.
But being a nurse you should at least remember or know the basics of ibuprofen that it can cause a person of any age or sex to have G.I. problems including bleed out which can happen at anytime and without warning. The higher the dose the higher the risk
I do not give my son ibuprofen for several reasons #1 Because of what my friend, who still works as a Laboratory Generalist and stays up to date on things #2 my son has a G.I. problem and #3 he is prone to become anemic because he has sickle cell trait.
So once I am settled in (because unfortunately I recently moved to the South) I will call her and ask again.
However I believe I will post under a milder forum such as Morality and Ethnics.
edited to add the high risk
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 4:37:08 PM
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Personally I think doctors need to educate parents not to give any medication at all. I mean for colds, fevers and such, I am not at all meaning antibiotics. Cold medicines are dangerous and do not help get the child better any faster. The link would be long gone but a year or so ago my local news did a story of a woman who's5 month old baby died because of cold medicine. She gave it to her baby thinking it would help but her baby could not metabolize the medicine so is cause the heart to stop.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 4:53:19 PM
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PrincessDonna
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Personally I think doctors need to educate parents not to give any medication at all. I mean for colds, fevers and such, I am not at all meaning antibiotics. Cold medicines are dangerous and do not help get the child better any faster.
That would not be true for MY kids. I have found medicines, when necessary, to help them greatly.
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The link would be long gone but a year or so ago my local news did a story of a woman who's5 month old baby died because of cold medicine. She gave it to her baby thinking it would help but her baby could not metabolize the medicine so is cause the heart to stop.
Did she misdose the baby or did the baby have a condition that made her body react badly to the proper dose of medication?
IMO, they need correctly label medicines and that means by WEIGHT only, not age. My 40 pound three year old and someone else's 25 pound three year old should not take the same amount of medicine. That and now not including anyone under 6 at all are what cause many misdoses. That is what is dangerous, not the medicine themselves.
If packaging or doctors won't tell parents the proper dosage, then people will guess. Do you suppose more or less children will die that way? I'm betting more.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 5:01:37 PM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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I was under the impression that cold medicine in children was highly discouraged. Perhaps it is just our doctor that does not like them.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 5:04:10 PM
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All of my kids have allergies. There are many days they (and I!) would not function without a little help from cold and allergy meds. I have also experienced that when I take meds as needed, I am less likely to get a sinus or ear infection, because the meds help dry things up or drain them out instead of letting things run their course and ending up on antibiotic every time. That's my experience anyway, for myself and my kids.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 5:14:39 PM
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stellaluna
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IMO, they need correctly label medicines and that means by WEIGHT only, not age.
Exactly! I believe that should be the case for all ages and medications. Seriously, do I at 130 pounds need as much pain reliever as my 300-lb husband? I suspect not. I always try to take the least amount of medication to do the job.
But I really think that telling parents never to use cold medicine (which is the same as telling them not to use allergy medication in some instances, because they are the same ingredients) is not a good idea. Some children are helped and many others aren't harmed by them. Especially if they are needed to help kids get rest.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 6:46:08 PM
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delete123,
Do you stay at home every time your son has a runny nose? cough? allergies acting up? I would never leave the house if I did. People can jump to the conclusion that I am "neglectful" because my son sniffles all the time but he has allergies. At 12 he should use a tissue more but he doesn't. I also do not consider a child sick just because they have a runny nose. If a fever and/or body aches accompany it yes but not just a runny nose.
My youngest has been congested for a week now in the evenings, is she sick? Should I be keeping her home from school and staying at home from my PT job?
I am with the group that thinks parents need to READ and make sure they know what they are giving their kids. I have called the pharmacy more than once to double check instructions.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 7:10:58 PM
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Mrs.X
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I only use one pharmacy too, and they know me well, LOL. It's nice to have that kind of relationship with the pharmacist.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 8:31:12 PM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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They ran another story in the news about cold medicines do not really help young children. I knew I had heard that before.
http://www.ky3.com/home/video/30590619.html
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 8:43:54 PM
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I don't get all this "not really working" stuff.
What I know is this:
When I give my child a decongestant,20 minutes later the area below her nose is dry. About 4 hours after that, it becomes yellow and slimey again.
Maybe that's not true for some kids, but it's true for mine.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 9:22:53 PM
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PrincessDonna
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I don't get all this "not really working" stuff.
What I know is this:
When I give my child a decongestant,20 minutes later the area below her nose is dry. About 4 hours after that, it becomes yellow and slimey again.
Maybe that's not true for some kids, but it's true for mine.
True for mine too.
And the humidifier line in that article...one of my kids actually does worse with more humid air. He has asthma and for some reason, whenever I have used a humidifier, he gets worse.
Okay, so last year, 2 was the magic age that these meds started working. Now, it's 4. So the day my child turns 4, she should have cold medicine if she has a cold, because it will work then and it wouldn't the day before? Right.  That doesn't even pass basic logic.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/7/2008 10:12:48 PM
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JnJ, I've heard it before too and actually met someone who's child felt no different with medicine. So, it is true for some kids that it's not effective. But, for my kids, they help releive the symptoms tremendously. So, I don't think you're nuts, LOL.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/8/2008 1:56:24 PM
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My kids are some who get some relief from cough/cold medicines. And that's all I'm looking for, really, a little relief for them.  I'm not looking for it to cure them, or make them feel perfectly normal immediately.
For us, those medicines relieve the symptoms enough for my kids (and me) to actually sleep at night. And sleep is as important for recovering from illness as anything else. Generally, I let them cough or dribble out their noses during the day, because we can relieve symptoms other ways when we're awake (tea, honey, jumping around to clear the nasal passage  , etc), but I get out the medicines at night time because I want them to be able to sleep well.
And quite honestly, when one of my super-super-active boys is laid out on the couch at 11 am, burning up with a fever and can barely life his head up, I absolutely do get out something to bring down the fever and make him slightly less miserable.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/8/2008 2:11:25 PM
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but I get out the medicines at night time because I want them to be able to sleep well.
Your boys sound a lot like my Nathan. I want him to sleep at night because sleep is essential for healing, and the medicines do help, though in a limited sense. But even some relief from congestion is welcome when you're lying down trying to get a bit of rest.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/8/2008 2:43:41 PM
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And the humidifier line in that article...one of my kids actually does worse with more humid air. He has asthma and for some reason, whenever I have used a humidifier, he gets worse.
What kind are you using? We avoid humidifiers around here because they grow bacteria like wildfire. My Pulmo always said not to use them... If we absolutely need something then I use a filtered one with a filter that can go through the dishwasher.
As for the OP... we use cold meds on occasion at night, and usually homeopathics during the day.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/8/2008 4:22:15 PM
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PrincessDonna
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And the humidifier line in that article...one of my kids actually does worse with more humid air. He has asthma and for some reason, whenever I have used a humidifier, he gets worse.
What kind are you using? We avoid humidifiers around here because they grow bacteria like wildfire. My Pulmo always said not to use them... If we absolutely need something then I use a filtered one with a filter that can go through the dishwasher.
As for the OP... we use cold meds on occasion at night, and usually homeopathics during the day.
A cool mist one. We don't even have one in the house anymore. I also don't have a dishwasher to wash a filter in.
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RE: FDA rejects ban on child cold medicines - 10/9/2008 12:20:46 AM
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My mom used to give me Theraflu, and the only thing it helped was my sore throat...didn't do much else.
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