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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 10:35:49 AM
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thanks Stephanie - ((although you are preaching to the choir - I believe the unborn is a baby))
do you know any that would justify if i vote for obama that automatically means i am responsible for all the abortions that would come of it? thats what i need to hear. i cant seem to find any.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 10:51:11 AM
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ah! now i know what i wanted to say last night!
Can anyone give SCRIPTURE about all these things? interesting that all these postings in this topic, I dont see too much if any scripture, including my posts.
Lets see if anyone can supply some scriptures about the matter. thank you.
What would you prefer OT or NT?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 10:54:29 AM
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thanks Stephanie - ((although you are preaching to the choir - I believe the unborn is a baby))
do you know any that would justify if i vote for obama that automatically means i am responsible for all the abortions that would come of it? thats what i need to hear. i cant seem to find any.
He has stated that he will remove all restrictions placed on abortion when he uses the executive order to make the Freedom of Choice Act law.
Here's his own words about why he voted against the BAIPA
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 11:01:54 AM
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ah! now i know what i wanted to say last night!
Can anyone give SCRIPTURE about all these things? interesting that all these postings in this topic, I dont see too much if any scripture, including my posts.
Lets see if anyone can supply some scriptures about the matter. thank you.
What would you prefer OT or NT?
either old or new testament .. thanks!
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 11:08:52 AM
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do you know any that would justify if i vote for obama that automatically means i am responsible for all the abortions that would come of it? thats what i need to hear. i cant seem to find any.
The only reference that I am aware of that pertains to voting is in Matthew 27 where Pontius Pilate was trying to convinced the crowd that Jesus had not committed any crime and did not deserve to die. The crowd, in essence "voted" to have Christ crucified. Matt 27:24 says, “When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd.”I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!””
I personally do not believe Pilate was absolved from his decision to have Christ crucified simply because he stated he was washing his hands of it, nor have I ever read a commentary or heard a sermon that said his washing of his hands of the issue made him innocent ... he was still responsible for his actions.
Here's a commentary of the text.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 12:10:48 PM
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ah! now i know what i wanted to say last night!
Can anyone give SCRIPTURE about all these things? interesting that all these postings in this topic, I dont see too much if any scripture, including my posts.
Lets see if anyone can supply some scriptures about the matter. thank you.
What would you prefer OT or NT?
either old or new testament .. thanks!
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In the OT the three words to pay attention to ... womb, birth, and conception
Ruth 4:13
- So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception , and she bare a son.
Here we see it in opposite order Ho 9:11
As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth= (harvest) , and from the womb, (time) and from the conception. (Seed)
....SO the Lord gives conception =life , and that child is carried in the womb.... to "be taken.. "From... the womb = birth... and is either a male of a female...not a homosexual...that happens much later …and God has nothing to do with that!
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived , and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Ge 30:2
And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, "Am I in God's stead ...who hath withheld from thee the fruit (Harvest) of the womb?
= withheld a child from her
What we do see is about some 5600 years from Eve to Obama’s DEM forefathers,
We see that for some 5600 years of history the common knowledge among all peoples was that life is always from God, even at conception... (Simply because He created it) 
Obama just opposed Gods word in the light of science… in that video that just offered 
….so I guess being represented by his faith; he is also attempting to rewrite the OT and….Christianity also. (The Saturday people first and then the Sunday)
Ok then…. according to our wana-be President, he says science somehow trumps the word of God; well if that is true he should at least be able to back that up and show us that science can at least be able to create life from nothing, in order for science to be allowed to take it away
Being that he is the legalists, legalist!
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 12:58:14 PM
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SoveriegnIsHe - its really too early for me to go into big analyzings of mccain vs obama, and i dont have the interest or energy to do that.
I didn't ask for a big analysis, I simply wondered if you used the same formula when considering both candidates and it's apparent you didn't...You see McCain as a continuous of the past eight years regardless of what he says.
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and you can ask me all the questions in the world, but I have made up my mind who or what i want to do, and it is my right as an american to vote for whomever i want, and it is not your right to tell me who to vote for.
First I am not telling you who to vote for and actually I have a "right" to tell you if I so choose as you have a right to agree/disagree or tell me to get lost... The 1st Amendment guarantees that right for both of us...
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I'll give you a pretend example - suppose I want to vote for Micky Mouse, just coz I think that mouse is cute. My vote for Micky out of cuteness is a valid vote, and its mine to make.
Yes, and it's my "right" to voice my opinion on how absurd that would be....
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I've been reading in the Bible where it says I think in Isaiah 40 or 45 where God is the one who puts kings up and takes them down. God is going to be the one to pick who wins the presidency.
That doesn't absolve anyone for their actions...
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I'm going to do what my conscience and preference tells me even if you dont like it. sorry to disappoint you. If my conscience is following the Lord, then i will do what is right. Who knows, maybe a big ol angel will appear and tell me vote for mccain and i will magicaly do it.
No disappointment here... Your posts are great for me to make my points...
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 1:01:48 PM
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ah! now i know what i wanted to say last night!
Can anyone give SCRIPTURE about all these things? interesting that all these postings in this topic, I dont see too much if any scripture, including my posts.
Lets see if anyone can supply some scriptures about the matter. thank you.
You haven't consulted the word of God on the matter?
What part of the matter are you looking for scripture for?
And... Since your mind is made up why ask now?
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Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 2:05:58 PM
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do you know any that would justify if i vote for obama that automatically means i am responsible for all the abortions that would come of it? thats what i need to hear. i cant seem to find any.
The only reference that I am aware of that pertains to voting is in Matthew 27 where Pontius Pilate was trying to convinced the crowd that Jesus had not committed any crime and did not deserve to die. The crowd, in essence "voted" to have Christ crucified. Matt 27:24 says, “When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd.”I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!””
I personally do not believe Pilate was absolved from his decision to have Christ crucified simply because he stated he was washing his hands of it, nor have I ever read a commentary or heard a sermon that said his washing of his hands of the issue made him innocent ... he was still responsible for his actions.
Here's a commentary of the text.
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I personally do not believe Pilate was absolved from his decision to have Christ crucified
I think you may be mixing the understanding; that what Pilate did; was ordained,
The principal in v11…. Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all "against Me".... unless it had been "given you from above".
"Therefore"
Above what is allowed, God does not condone those he appoints to bring judgment on a nation to sin against those people who are receiving judgment; which resulted over and over again in the OT.... when God ultimately reversed those charges.
(That would be like the US Troops over in Iraq raping and murdering at will)
Pilate did not sin or pass judgment on Jesus nor did he find any fault in Jesus....
The principal used in v 10 has to do with God giving Pilate the power to be “against” Jesus, and with that Pilate was bound by that same authority given to him to do as the Jews asked; and that was to hand Jesus over to be crucified….. and the power to be against was based on account that Jesus said “not a word”… in his defense;
It was the perfect catch 22 …
If Jesus opened his mouth in “any way” in any defense against the Jews, either by telling the truth or telling a lie…. Pilate would have let him go.
The part that may evolve the Obama- mite’s stance is written after the “therefore” in verse 11.... The one "who delivered" Me to you… has the greater sin."
………And Jesus is not speaking of God delivering Him over to judgment and saying that God has the greater sin, the 2 principals… of being against; and God handing a nation over to judgment; are not the same, which is why Pilate washed his hands.
I don’t think that situation has any bearing in exonerating the Obama- mites stance concerning the killing of innocent human beings; because all of us at this very moment in time have been given a “clear view” of the issue; ( as Jesus gave to Pilate) and we have been given that same power that was given to Pilate, but the question is; just who among us …are going to wash our hands of it?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 2:16:20 PM
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Pilate did not sin or pass judgment on Jesus nor did he find any fault in Jesus....
Plate's sin was allowing a man he knew to be innocent over to the mob for judgment when in fact he was in charge and he did so for his own well being. For that he's accountable...
That would be like a cop handing over someone guilty or not to the mob to be hung...
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Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 2:34:50 PM
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I think you may be mixing the understanding; that what Pilate did; was ordained,
The principal in v11…. Jesus answered, "You could have no power at all "against Me".... unless it had been "given you from above".
I understand that he could not have made this decision unless God had ordained it ... I am not disputing that in any way ... but the blood was still on his hands, just like Judas's decision to turn in Jesus for 30 pieces of silver was also a decision that God ordained, but Judas was responsible for the decision he made.
A single scripture can be used by God to teach much more than one lesson ... I am not talking about the one you are referring to, but the validity of the particular interpretation you are referring to makes another lesson learned from the same passage no less valid.
She was asking about scripture that had too do with VOTING for someone who will do something that is against God's law, asking, "am I responsible for their actions if I know that they will allow more abortions once they are in office." (She was not asking for scripture about the wrongs of abortion, she agrees that it is wrong.) The only scripture that I can recall that has anything to do with the people "voting" is in Matt 27:24. was his symbolic washing of his hands.
The parallels would:
Voter --------------------------------------- Pilate* see note below
Wrong - Abortion--------------------------- Wrong - Jesus's death
Hope for not having ----------------------- symbolic washing of his hands
responsibility for that decision
* note: though I know he had the authority to stop it completely, he chose to ignore the issue knowing the result would be Jesus's death.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 2:41:00 PM
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No disappointment here... Your posts are great for me to make my points...
Yes actually we've heard a lot of things here,, so it is good.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 2:42:54 PM
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ah! now i know what i wanted to say last night!
Can anyone give SCRIPTURE about all these things? interesting that all these postings in this topic, I dont see too much if any scripture, including my posts.
Lets see if anyone can supply some scriptures about the matter. thank you.
You haven't consulted the word of God on the matter?
What part of the matter are you looking for scripture for?
And... Since your mind is made up why ask now?
I just didn't think of it till yesterday.. i thought its time to call out what does the Bible say... ((better late than never???))
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:01:21 PM
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Pilate did not sin or pass judgment on Jesus nor did he find any fault in Jesus....
Plate's sin was allowing a man he knew to be innocent over to the mob for judgment when in fact he was in charge and he did so for his own well being. For that he's accountable...
That would be like a cop handing over someone guilty or not to the mob to be hung...
Thank you ... I forgot to get to that part!  ... the most important part. Pilate's decision was ordained by God, but Pilate was still responsible for his actions. The same holds true for Judas, for Pharaoh and the Assyrians when they brought God's judgment onto Jerusalem in the old testament. God was very clear, that although he may use an individual to bring about His judgment or grace, those who make the decisions that result in another being hurt are still responsible for their actions and choices.
In Isaiah 3 we hear how God will bring Judgment onto Jerusalem and Judah. In Isaiah 8 it talks about God using the Assyrians to judge Judah and Jerusalem. In chapter 10 of Isaiah we read about how God will punish Assyria for punishing Judah and Jerusalem! Assyria was indeed God's tool to bring His ordained plan, but they were clearly held responsible for their actions.
The lesson ... don't be the tool that brings about God's plan if it contrary to His word, because though He may use your actions to bring about His purpose, you will be held accountable. He can always find someone who has the stubbornness in his heart to be the tool God needs. The ones He is looking for are the Ones that will be faithful to Him, those who will do as He commands ... as He outlines to us in His word.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:12:02 PM
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By now any thinking person must acknowledge the fact that, absent an intervention from God, Obama will gain the presidency on 4 November. Americans as a whole have been crying out for a secular messiah, and we're about to get one. Whether that works out for good or ill, we'll see.
If it works out well, the Obama supporters will be able to clap each other on the back for a job well done. But if, judging from the man's own positions we're about to head into a socialist nightmare beyond our imagining, then those who voted for and supported him will bear the blame. That's simply the way the system is set up.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:16:00 PM
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The lesson ... don't be the tool that brings about God's plan if it contrary to His word, because though He may use your actions to bring about His purpose, you will be held accountable. He can always find someone who has the stubbornness in his heart to be the tool God needs. The ones He is looking for are the Ones that will be faithful to Him, those who will do as He commands ... as He outlines to us in His word.
oh yes! the Calvinistic argument that God is the ordainer of things but we are held accountable if we sin!
......................(im a calvinist and I see how well that same line of thinking fits in this arguement :) i.e. dont be a Pharaoh, Judas, or other vessel of wrath. actually thats one of the best points in your favor.
ok well i am absolved of all guilt of the OP, since i put this topic up and now i have allowed you all to speak about it, and so now i've done my part in the war against abortion by allowing you to speak on it.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:20:27 PM
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By now any thinking person must acknowledge the fact that, absent an intervention from God, Obama will gain the presidency on 4 November. Americans as a whole have been crying out for a secular messiah, and we're about to get one. Whether that works out for good or ill, we'll see.
If it works out well, the Obama supporters will be able to clap each other on the back for a job well done. But if, judging from the man's own positions we're about to head into a socialist nightmare beyond our imagining, then those who voted for and supported him will bear the blame. That's simply the way the system is set up.
I'm ready for what will happen.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:21:34 PM
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thanks Stephanie - ((although you are preaching to the choir - I believe the unborn is a baby))
do you know any that would justify if i vote for obama that automatically means i am responsible for all the abortions that would come of it? thats what i need to hear. i cant seem to find any.
Well, I believe I already laid out the logical argument that knowingly enabling the crime necessarily entails responsibility for it. (But my argument only covered the additional abortions that would occur as a result of the Freedom of Choice Act.) But since you asked for a Scriptural case, the verse that immediately comes to mind is Romans 1:32:
"Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (KJV)
The Greek word suneudokeo, translated here as "have pleasure in" is defined in Strong's concordance as:
1. to be pleased together with, to approve together (with others)
2. to be pleased at the same time with, consent, agree to
a. to applaud
(Emphasis mine.) Voting for someone who has promised to do something is at minimum consenting to that thing. And to my mind this verse condemns not only those who commit a sin worthy of death, but those who consent to it as well.
Now you might argue I am not a theologian, and I'm not. So let's see what a couple commentaries say on this verse.
Matthew Henry's Complete Commentary:
"They not only do the same, but have pleasure in those that do them. The violence of some present temptation may hurry a man into the commission of such sins himself in which the vitiated appetite may take a pleasure; but to be pleased with other people’s sins is to love sin for sin’s sake: it is joining in a confederacy for the devil’s kingdom and interest. Syneudokousi : they do not only commit sin, but they defend and justify it, and encourage others to do the like. Our own sins are much aggravated by our concurrence with, and complacency in, the sins of others. Now lay all this together, and then say whether the Gentile world, lying under so much guilt and corruption, could be justified before God by any works of their own." (Emphasis mine.)
Wesley's Explanatory Notes:
"Not only do the same, but have pleasure in those that practise them - This is the highest degree of wickedness. A man may be hurried by his passions to do the thing he hates; but he that has pleasure in those that do evil, loves wickedness for wickedness' sake. And hereby he encourages them in sin, and heaps the guilt of others upon his own head." (Emphasis mine.)
Now I am not accusing you of actually taking pleasure in abortions. Far from it. But Senator Obama has promised to sign FOCA, which is guaranteed to lead to more unborn babies being killed than there would be otherwise. A vote for him is thus explicit consent to this. And I believe Romans 1:32 makes it clear that those who consent to sin share in the guilt thereof.
-Robb
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:29:33 PM
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ok then I got a solution for us.
If we vote neither candidate, how will that effect the wrath of God on those who push neither button for neither candidate? does that absolve me of all the guilt and wrath God is going to heap on me for voting for obama and all that entails?
((and im not trying to be funny either))
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:30:17 PM
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The lesson ... don't be the tool that brings about God's plan if it contrary to His word, because though He may use your actions to bring about His purpose, you will be held accountable. He can always find someone who has the stubbornness in his heart to be the tool God needs. The ones He is looking for are the Ones that will be faithful to Him, those who will do as He commands ... as He outlines to us in His word.
oh yes! the Calvinistic argument that God is the ordainer of things but we are held accountable if we sin!
......................(im a calvinist and I see how well that same line of thinking fits in this arguement :) i.e. dont be a Pharaoh, Judas, or other vessel of wrath. actually thats one of the best points in your favor.
ok well i am absolved of all guilt of the OP, since i put this topic up and now i have allowed you all to speak about it, and so now i've done my part in the war against abortion by allowing you to speak on it.
I don't know if it's a Calvinist argument or not.  I do know that Isaiah 8 through 10 talk about God using a group of people to bring judgment and then judging the ones whose hearts were so hardened He was able to use them. And it was just one example ... there are many examples in the old testament of God using one individual or group of people to bring His judgment onto another, and then later we read how He is judging the one's He used to accomplish that plan.
We always hear about the argument between God's sovereignty and the freewill He gives us. But the bottom line is both are true ... we do have freewill and we are responsible for our decisions when we exercise that freewill, both the good and bad ... but God is still in control, and can use those bad decisions we make for His purpose just as much He can use the good decisions we make. Regardless of what the end result is, He is looking at our heart to see what we will do, and will reward accordingly.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:48:07 PM
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ok then I got a solution for us.
If we vote neither candidate, how will that effect the wrath of God on those who push neither button for neither candidate? does that absolve me of all the guilt and wrath God is going to heap on me for voting for obama and all that entails?
((and im not trying to be funny either))
Voting for neither is a perfectly valid position to take. In fact, I feel it would be wrong for someone to ask you to vote for a candidate against your conscience.
-Robb
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:48:52 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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yeah its a calvinistic thing!
do you have a solution for those of us who really cannot take the plunge for mccain?
and are you ready to live in whtever future there will be if the candidate you dislike, wins?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 3:49:53 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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ORIGINAL: LabGuy
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
ok then I got a solution for us.
If we vote neither candidate, how will that effect the wrath of God on those who push neither button for neither candidate? does that absolve me of all the guilt and wrath God is going to heap on me for voting for obama and all that entails?
((and im not trying to be funny either))
Voting for neither is a perfectly valid position to take. In fact, I feel it would be wrong for someone to ask you to vote for a candidate against your conscience.
-Robb
yay! now i will not suffer the wrath of God if i dont vote either!! and i dont have to vote for mccain out of fear !!!!
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/9/2008 4:10:28 PM
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Psalms274
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
yeah its a calvinistic thing!
do you have a solution for those of us who really cannot take the plunge for mccain?
and are you ready to live in whtever future there will be if the candidate you dislike, wins?
I do not know how to advise you ... Obama's policy proposals scare the tar out of me and having looked at the record of both candidates, I do not think that first off, McCain is the next Bush ... to be honest, I wish He was more like Bush in his policies ... I honestly believe Bush's biggest problem has been his inability to communicate to us, which may or may not be due to the contribution of the media bias combined with the boldness of the Democrats in all the filibusters even when we had a Republican legislation to back him up ... they were just not able to get any of his policies through and he did not effectively communicate to the American people the need to contact their congressman when it came to vital legislation that needed to be passed...
all that to say, I think McCain is a MUCH better choice based on his record than Obama so I do not have a conflict. Now there are things I do not like about McClain, like his view on embryonic stem cell research. I am hoping that with all the discoveries in stem cell research will make that a mute point ... they are finding adult stem cells and umbilical cord stem cells have just as much ability to be used as embryonic stem cells.
As to the Calvinist thing ... I am grateful that his theology, at least that part of his theology, is biblical.
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