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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 5:41:18 PM
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AdrianaS
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I thought people had said that before... but I'm really wondering if it's a REQUIREMENT to speak English to be able to vote. I thought the OP probably meant you have to speak English to a degree to become a citizen.... but I don't know what goes into that, and I don't know how good one's English has to be to do that even. Perhaps even those who ARE citizens have forgotten English since; I knew Spanish very well when I was in hs. Then, I forgot it because I never spoke it. Now I've re-learned it and am actually trying to retain and better it by actually SPEAKING it on a daily basis or reading/listening to it. That's why Juanes is always playing in my car... and on my computer. :) Plus... he's just awesome anyway.
For sure there are requirements for naturalization and the ability to speak, write and read English is one of them..BUT
There are exemptions to this requirement also:
1. applicants who, on the date of filing, have been residing in the United States as permanent
resident for 15 years or more and are over age 55;
2. applicants who, on the date of filing, have been residing in the United States as permanent
residents for 20 years or more and are over age 50;
3. applicants who have a medically determinable physical or mental impairment, where the
impairment affects the ability to learn English.
When I mentioned "older people" from not only Hispanic nations but all others who became immigrants, more attached to mother tongue or having more difficulties to learn another language, to become fluent and proficient, it is the case as they are counted among the exemptions.
What I know is that I have been learning the verb "To Be" and English since I was 8 years old...still mess up with it and other gramatical stuff even in my own mother tongue I do mess up languages big time still love to communicate. I went to good schools and etc imagine those who did not went to school and study much at all? Well many people who got their green cards and than their citizenship later, through for exemople agriculture and blue collor jobs, they are citizens for a while and may speak poor English. I remember a neighboor that was called to jury duty in a letter and I had to call the number and explain she would like to participate etc, but she felt no confidence in really understand ,as her English was really poor etc. The court person understood my neighboor could not attend jury duty because could not speak or understand English. How commom is that? I have no ideia.. 
Of course this is not a rule and regulation to all immigrants who are older to be exemption because of their ages. No! 
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 6:29:05 PM
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You might hear Spanish on a regular basis but certainly not as much as English (unless you went to a Spanish speaking country after high school).
Spend some time in Northern California and you might change your mind...
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/20/2008 2:31:41 PM
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This is what I find interesting:
Obana said, "You know, I said something other day about foreign language and Republicans jumped on it. Let me be clear. I Absolutely believe immigrants need to learn English. But we also need to learn foreign languages. This is an example of problems we get into when somebody attacks you for telling truth. We should want kids with more knowledge. That is a good thing. I know because I don’t speak a foreign language. It’s embarrassing."
If he doesn't speak a foreign language How does he know they are speaking for him? A hundred plus people can tell him what it says in the foreign language, but how does he know for sure they aren't lying to him?
As for McCain, I've heard he does speak spanish.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/20/2008 3:30:40 PM
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This is what I find interesting:
Obana said, "You know, I said something other day about foreign language and Republicans jumped on it. Let me be clear. I Absolutely believe immigrants need to learn English. But we also need to learn foreign languages. This is an example of problems we get into when somebody attacks you for telling truth. We should want kids with more knowledge. That is a good thing. I know because I don’t speak a foreign language. It’s embarrassing."
If he doesn't speak a foreign language How does he know they are speaking for him? A hundred plus people can tell him what it says in the foreign language, but how does he know for sure they aren't lying to him?
As for McCain, I've heard he does speak spanish.
We can always copy a portion of the text on the site and paste it into this site here and hopfully the computer is smart enough to tell the truth.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/?fr=avbbf-us
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/20/2008 3:34:48 PM
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This is what I find interesting:
Obana said, "You know, I said something other day about foreign language and Republicans jumped on it. Let me be clear. I Absolutely believe immigrants need to learn English. But we also need to learn foreign languages. This is an example of problems we get into when somebody attacks you for telling truth. We should want kids with more knowledge. That is a good thing. I know because I don’t speak a foreign language. It’s embarrassing."
If he doesn't speak a foreign language How does he know they are speaking for him? A hundred plus people can tell him what it says in the foreign language, but how does he know for sure they aren't lying to him?
As for McCain, I've heard he does speak spanish.
Ummm.......how about pick up a Spanish text and dictionary, combined with Google Translate?
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/20/2008 3:53:46 PM
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This is what I find interesting:
Obana said, "You know, I said something other day about foreign language and Republicans jumped on it. Let me be clear. I Absolutely believe immigrants need to learn English. But we also need to learn foreign languages. This is an example of problems we get into when somebody attacks you for telling truth. We should want kids with more knowledge. That is a good thing. I know because I don’t speak a foreign language. It’s embarrassing."
If he doesn't speak a foreign language How does he know they are speaking for him? A hundred plus people can tell him what it says in the foreign language, but how does he know for sure they aren't lying to him?
As for McCain, I've heard he does speak spanish.
We can always copy a portion of the text on the site and paste it into this site here and hopfully the computer is smart enough to tell the truth.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/?fr=avbbf-us
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Ummm.......how about pick up a Spanish text and dictionary, combined with Google Translate?
And you REALLY think Obama would or will do that himself; check out EVERY foreign language ad about him, and what he endorses himself? Man..., if he doesn't that's a lot of blind trust.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/20/2008 4:20:45 PM
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Well, if he really wanted to know that badly I think he would. I mean, how many languages are his ads in other then English and Spanish?
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/20/2008 7:03:18 PM
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This is what I find interesting:
Obana said, "You know, I said something other day about foreign language and Republicans jumped on it. Let me be clear. I Absolutely believe immigrants need to learn English. But we also need to learn foreign languages. This is an example of problems we get into when somebody attacks you for telling truth. We should want kids with more knowledge. That is a good thing. I know because I don’t speak a foreign language. It’s embarrassing."
If he doesn't speak a foreign language How does he know they are speaking for him? A hundred plus people can tell him what it says in the foreign language, but how does he know for sure they aren't lying to him?
As for McCain, I've heard he does speak spanish.
Ummm.......how about pick up a Spanish text and dictionary, combined with Google Translate?
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Google Translate
Greetings,
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Google Translate
Thanks for that one... I rarley use translators; but all in all...how is that one... better or worse?
LG
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/20/2008 8:13:05 PM
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And you REALLY think Obama would or will do that himself; check out EVERY foreign language ad about him, and what he endorses himself? Man..., if he doesn't that's a lot of blind trust.
If Obama puts his endorsement at the end of the ad he darn well better know exactly what it says because he is then legally responsible for everything that is said in that ad.
If he doesn't understand the language and he doesn't find out for himself what is being said, and he still endorses the ad, that is being irresponsible to the extreme and he has no business running for president.
If he puts that kind of blind faith into those working for him now then he'll definitely be a Manchurian president, putting that same blind faith in his advisers and in Congress.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/21/2008 11:18:26 AM
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Man..., if he doesn't that's a lot of blind trust.
It's just "trust", and I don't see how it'd take a lot of trust. It looks like you don't know what blind trust means.
And if it hasn't been said already, the reason Obama has ads in Spanish is probably pretty much the same reason McCain has ads in Spanish.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/22/2008 2:35:00 PM
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And you REALLY think Obama would or will do that himself; check out EVERY foreign language ad about him, and what he endorses himself? Man..., if he doesn't that's a lot of blind trust.
If Obama puts his endorsement at the end of the ad he darn well better know exactly what it says because he is then legally responsible for everything that is said in that ad.
If he doesn't understand the language and he doesn't find out for himself what is being said, and he still endorses the ad, that is being irresponsible to the extreme and he has no business running for president.
If he puts that kind of blind faith into those working for him now then he'll definitely be a Manchurian president, putting that same blind faith in his advisers and in Congress.
EXACTLY!!
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It's just "trust", and I don't see how it'd take a lot of trust. It looks like you don't know what blind trust means.
Which is what got Bush Jr in trouble after 9/11--- the War in Iraq. I know very well what blind trust means: It means we are to trust God and Not man; "God is not a man, that He should lie." [Numbers 23:19]; "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man." [Psalms 118:8]
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And if it hasn't been said already, the reason Obama has ads in Spanish is probably pretty much the same reason McCain has ads in Spanish.
I've heard McCain does speak Spanish; What is Obama's reason? Jealousy?
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/23/2008 10:48:53 AM
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It's awesome. There's nothing else I can say. =)
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/23/2008 1:34:57 PM
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And you REALLY think Obama would or will do that himself; check out EVERY foreign language ad about him, and what he endorses himself? Man..., if he doesn't that's a lot of blind trust.
If Obama puts his endorsement at the end of the ad he darn well better know exactly what it says because he is then legally responsible for everything that is said in that ad.
If he doesn't understand the language and he doesn't find out for himself what is being said, and he still endorses the ad, that is being irresponsible to the extreme and he has no business running for president.
If he puts that kind of blind faith into those working for him now then he'll definitely be a Manchurian president, putting that same blind faith in his advisers and in Congress.
Yeah, here's a find example:
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama’s running mate says a campaign ad that mocked Republican presidential candidate John McCain as an out-of-touch, out-of-date computer illiterate was “terrible” and would not have been done had he known about it.
“I thought that was terrible, by the way,” Biden said.
Asked why it was done, he said: “I didn’t know we did it and if I had anything to do with it, we’d have never done it.”
And THIS was in English. If Biden is that much in the dark over English speaking ads, and what he is endorsing; what about Obama and him over foreign language ad? That's all I'm asking about.
Source HERE
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/23/2008 5:35:12 PM
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He has spanish speaking ads for the spanish speaking americans.
Unless they speak english they cannot vote.
who says?
where I grew up in Detroit....there were MANY people who spoke Polish...and ONLY Polish...they voted just fine.
My wife, who is a native of far, far South Louisiana.....English is her "2nd Language"....her family and surrounding community spoke a version of Cajun French....and, they all voted just fine, as well.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/23/2008 6:13:53 PM
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You fail to realize the fact that millions of American Latinos actively watch, support, and enjoy Spanish language programming, radio, magazines, press, etc.. Most Hispanic households are, at a minimum, bi-lingual and 'Spanglish' is spoken. They share in both cultures and worlds.......
100% of them that are able to vote can understand English. There is no law requiring Americans to speak spanish. Why leave out more than "half" the voting population with these ads? Not wait it's much greater than that considering Latinos account for about 7.8 percent of potential voters nationwide. It's more than 90% of your potential voters!
Well just like someone said earlier because their a little more comfortable hearing and seeing something that's about their culture (in this case, their language) or having things addressed to them specifically. Besides in many states there are ads, psa, and other numerous information that's targeted for Latinos in their language, especially in states where they are hugely populated. It's really not a big deal, was this an issue for you when other candidates in the past have done this?... do find issue with this even when McCain himself has run presidential ads this year in Spanish?
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/23/2008 6:16:38 PM
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The ad also doesn't target Hispanics - it targets Mexicans.
Correction - it targets Mexicans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Salvadorians, Colombians, Peruvians, Venezuelans, etc etc etc etc..
The mistake a lot of Anglo and Black Americans make is to think everyone is 'Mexican'. Nope, a good and large number of those illegally crossing the border from Mexico are anything but.
It's akin to saying all Germans are Polish, etc..
Off topic, many people often assume just because you're of a darker color (black), doesn't mean you're from Africa or whatever country you're residing in (ie African-American), there's a huge number of blacks who are considered Latino as well. 
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/23/2008 6:23:50 PM
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Do you not live in or near a major city to see this day in and day out?
NO, I guess the Mexicans who live here just have to use the english they learned when they became citizens to hear the candidates speak. Those who are not able to unstand english are probably here on work visas or are illegals and it does not matter if they understand or not.
It's a big world out there and as you can see everything is becoming globalized, you should expose yourself to other people and their cultures, you'll be surprised by the things you find out about them and even more surprised by shared similarites. I live in a state that has a big Latino number and they speak English as well as Spanish all the time, not only that but I also feel blessed to know people from different ethnic backgrounds than myself.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/23/2008 6:28:35 PM
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No offense to the OP, the question was asked and it was reasonable, the topic discussed and many of us on both sides decided no biggie. Perfect.
So does the ad contain flat out lies? Have you heard the ad?
Yes, it contains flat out lies. Were you really expecting honesty from Barack Obama? THat's part of the reason he bumbles around so much when he speaks. He has to remember what he lied about last.
Jake Tapper and Jonathan Martin Nuke Obama's Lying Spanish Ad
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Were you really expecting honesty from Barack Obama? THat's part of the reason he bumbles around so much when he speaks. He has to remember
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All these ads tell anyone is that he can lie in 2 different languages.
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Were you really expecting honesty from Barack Obama? THat's part of the reason he bumbles around so much when he speaks. He has to remember
Again I'm not for one candidate over another, haven't made up my mind yet; however, it's not fair to say those type of things about one person... last time I checked McCain has told plenty of falsies in ads and on the campaign trail, so to call one person out and not include the other... never mind, I forgot where I am...
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/23/2008 6:44:03 PM
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And you REALLY think Obama would or will do that himself; check out EVERY foreign language ad about him, and what he endorses himself? Man..., if he doesn't that's a lot of blind trust.
If Obama puts his endorsement at the end of the ad he darn well better know exactly what it says because he is then legally responsible for everything that is said in that ad.
If he doesn't understand the language and he doesn't find out for himself what is being said, and he still endorses the ad, that is being irresponsible to the extreme and he has no business running for president.
If he puts that kind of blind faith into those working for him now then he'll definitely be a Manchurian president, putting that same blind faith in his advisers and in Congress.
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sn't understand the language and he doesn't find out for himself what is being said, and he still endorses the ad, that is being irresponsible to the extreme and he has no business running for president.
Just like the McCain ad where he endorsed it and clearly lied where it read Obama on Sarah Palin and then used a sound byte of the lipstick on a pig comment... claiming Obama called her that. You don't think that was irresponsible to the extreme and for telling such a whopper that he has no business running for president? Trying to see it from both sides...
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I'd have the ad in a specific language because that's what OTHERS in the area speak...not just me (or not me at all