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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 11:31:26 AM
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Thessa
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All these ads tell anyone is that he can lie in 2 different languages.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 11:33:04 AM
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Do you not live in or near a major city to see this day in and day out?
NO, I guess the Mexicans who live here just have to use the english they learned when they became citizens to hear the candidates speak. Those who are not able to unstand english are probably here on work visas or are illegals and it does not matter if they understand or not.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 11:38:48 AM
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What is the reason behind him doing this when he knows those who don't speak spanish will not understand the ads and when only those born in the USA can vote or those who have become citizens (meaning they have to speak english) can vote?
Who do the ads target and why?
Well, both candidates have ads in Spanish..the targets may be the battleground in New Mexico, Florida, Nevada & Colorado according to the below AP article link. There are American citizens who are bilingual for sure and others who may prefer watch Spanish speaking tv's channels. It seems people dont have to speak English fluently particularly the older generation of non born in America, but American citizens.
Look: McCain/Palin ad in spanish
AP article about Spanish ads
Now I am curious about the other persons born in other countries, the older generation for exemple born in Asian coutries..I guess they have channels in the own mother tongue also? I know there are lots of Koreans living in Atlanta suburbs... 
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 11:40:10 AM
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No offense to the OP, the question was asked and it was reasonable, the topic discussed and many of us on both sides decided no biggie. Perfect.
So does the ad contain flat out lies? Have you heard the ad?
Yes, it contains flat out lies. Were you really expecting honesty from Barack Obama? THat's part of the reason he bumbles around so much when he speaks. He has to remember what he lied about last.
Jake Tapper and Jonathan Martin Nuke Obama's Lying Spanish Ad
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 11:54:02 AM
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Do you not live in or near a major city to see this day in and day out?
NO, I guess the Mexicans who live here just have to use the english they learned when they became citizens to hear the candidates speak. Those who are not able to unstand english are probably here on work visas or are illegals and it does not matter if they understand or not.
I doubt your area does not have a single Spanish speaking format radio station or TV channel.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 11:55:05 AM
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Now I am curious about the other persons born in other countries, the older generation for exemple born in Asian coutries..I guess they have channels in the own mother tongue also? I know there are lots of Koreans living in Atlanta suburbs...
My city/area has Spanish speaking media, Korean, Polish, Russian, Greek, Indian/Hindi, Arab, Jewish, Chinese, etc etc etc radio and TV broadcasts.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 12:01:52 PM
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Although I do understand many people may connect Spanish with Mexican automaticaly in some regions in the USA, sure they are the larger country population who speaks Spanish, 20 other nations do have Spanish as their mother tongue. The USA have immigrants who are citizens and can vote that are not Mexican, for sure, but still speak Spanish also. There are regions and believe it or not that we do not see Mexicans as majorities but others as Cuban, Port Ricans and etc I had no idea of Mexicans being majority in this country while living up north but when moved to Atlanta did notice after a while.
Yeh I do know that to some everybody may be Mexicans or Spanish speakers...I do know as my own original country is the only Portuguese speaker among mostly speaking Spanish nations south of the USA border...  I do not watch spanish tv's it gets all confused in my mind at few minutes of it. Between Spanish and English what comes easier to me is English as my 2nd language.
Yes, both candidates do want to reach specific regions and Spanish speakers and have their campaings ads going on.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 12:17:01 PM
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Now I am curious about the other persons born in other countries, the older generation for exemple born in Asian coutries..I guess they have channels in the own mother tongue also? I know there are lots of Koreans living in Atlanta suburbs...
My city/area has Spanish speaking media, Korean, Polish, Russian, Greek, Indian/Hindi, Arab, Jewish, Chinese, etc etc etc radio and TV broadcasts.
Do they carry the campaing ads in those languages also?
I guess my area may have also but I do not have acess as my cable is the basic one..I guess my the public acess channels they may have something going on about each specific community. But sure even with my basic cable it seems the channels 400's up have lots of Spanish speaking channels. The proportion between channels in Spanish is greater than any other languag for sure. For Portuguese here in Atlanta I have to choose DishNet, up north cable do carry a Poruguese/Brazilian package.
To tell the truth I dont like the Brazilian program they carry here lots of soap opera, nonsenses and junk to my personal taste lol..I do prefer to acess online the news and etc I do have my favorite US channels and they are a few bunch (the news, C-PAN, FoodTV etc)..unfortunaty I had to let BBC go because it was waste of money paying sooo much for it etc. I do have Comcast package of tv, phone and internet.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 12:21:33 PM
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I'd like some of these Obama supporters around here to explain why it's ok for Obama to take a few lines from a Rush Limbaugh comedy bit and put them into a Spanish language campaign ad. The Obama campaign has taken a new low road, one never really explored before. It's out-and-out fraudulent.
*cricket* *cricket*
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 12:23:23 PM
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Do they carry the campaing ads in those languages also?
Not sure, but it would not surprise me for some of the ethnic groups I listed.. as they are quite large in this area.
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I guess my area may have also but I do not have acess as my cable is the basic one..I guess my the public acess channels they may have something going on about each specific community. But sure even with my basic cable it seems the channels 400's up have lots of Spanish speaking channels. The proportion between channels in Spanish is greater than any other languag for sure. For Portuguese here in Atlanta I have to choose DishNet, up north cable do carry a Poruguese/Brazilian package.
Here there are approximately five TV stations (not Cable, not public access, but full fledged - such as Univision, Telemundo, etc..) and around 15 radio stations that are Spanish speaking.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 3:42:48 PM
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To become an American citizen if you are not born here you must be able to read, write and speak English.
Here in my little corner of PA, we are being over-run with the Spanish language. It is now a law that they have to have Spanish on the ballots, and the county employs several full-time interpreters to deal w/ the mess of court cases and they are still over-worked. The problem is not immigrants - it's those from Puerto Rico. They are legal citizens, thus able to vote, drive, claim welfare, etc....
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 3:49:58 PM
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I'd like some of these Obama supporters around here to explain why it's ok for Obama to take a few lines from a Rush Limbaugh comedy bit and put them into a Spanish language campaign ad. The Obama campaign has taken a new low road, one never really explored before. It's out-and-out fraudulent.
*cricket* *cricket*
Exactly. My problem with this ad is not that it's in Spanish. It's that it's inaccurate and irresponsible.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 4:16:39 PM
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He has spanish speaking ads for the spanish speaking americans.
Unless they speak english they cannot vote.
Wondering where you are getting that one from?
In my state (Missouri) there are no regulations regarding language of a voter. Here's the regulation
http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/faqs.asp#1
Does your state discriminate against voters based upon their ability to speak English? If so, I would think that that would be a violation of the Voter's Rights act of 1965:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/intro/intro_b.htm
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 4:20:34 PM
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You fail to realize the fact that millions of American Latinos actively watch, support, and enjoy Spanish language programming, radio, magazines, press, etc.. Most Hispanic households are, at a minimum, bi-lingual and 'Spanglish' is spoken. They share in both cultures and worlds.......
100% of them that are able to vote can understand English. There is no law requiring Americans to speak spanish. Why leave out more than "half" the voting population with these ads? Not wait it's much greater than that considering Latinos account for about 7.8 percent of potential voters nationwide. It's more than 90% of your potential voters!
Do you share your sense of outrage over the fact that Mr. McCain is doing the exact same thing?
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 4:23:40 PM
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Do you not live in or near a major city to see this day in and day out?
NO, I guess the Mexicans who live here just have to use the english they learned when they became citizens to hear the candidates speak. Those who are not able to unstand english are probably here on work visas or are illegals and it does not matter if they understand or not.
Have you become so bored with actual issues (my goodness, this thread makes the lipsticked-pig ones look almost cerebral) that you must find ways to assail through these types of spurious arguments?
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 4:25:42 PM
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News flash...
Spanish speakers are one of the largest minority voting blocks.
I don't know, it's just a thought, but maybe he wants the Hispanic vote?
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 4:28:03 PM
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Another news flash...
The USA has NO official language. No, not English.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 4:36:28 PM
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News flash...
Spanish speakers are one of the largest minority voting blocks.
I don't know, it's just a thought, but maybe he wants the Hispanic vote?
I thought people had said that before... but I'm really wondering if it's a REQUIREMENT to speak English to be able to vote. I thought the OP probably meant you have to speak English to a degree to become a citizen.... but I don't know what goes into that, and I don't know how good one's English has to be to do that even. Perhaps even those who ARE citizens have forgotten English since; I knew Spanish very well when I was in hs. Then, I forgot it because I never spoke it. Now I've re-learned it and am actually trying to retain and better it by actually SPEAKING it on a daily basis or reading/listening to it. That's why Juanes is always playing in my car... and on my computer. :) Plus... he's just awesome anyway.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 5:06:50 PM
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So does the ad contain flat out lies? Have you heard the ad?
No I haven't but I couldn't understand it if I did. I'm not the target audience.
BTW: The question in the OP was who do they target not what are they saying.
Trust me a politician doesn't need to speak another language in order to lie. Besides if he's coding secret messages to Spanish speaking voters someone will figure it out and start an appropriate thread.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 5:13:04 PM
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Perhaps even those who ARE citizens have forgotten English since; I knew Spanish very well when I was in hs.
I kinda doubt it as English is all around us here in America. They would have to go to great lengths to avoid it and every time they hear it their English knowledge would be reinforced. You might hear Spanish on a regular basis but certainly not as much as English (unless you went to a Spanish speaking country after high school).
No offense but I just can't see any person living in America (or Britain or other English speaking countries) forgetting their knowledge of English. Of course I could be wrong.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 5:25:36 PM
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News flash...
Spanish speakers are one of the largest minority voting blocks.
I don't know, it's just a thought, but maybe he wants the Hispanic vote?
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but maybe he wants the Hispanic vote?
Which ones, the legal ones ...or the ones that the Dems..turn the blind eye to that have been coming over the border for the past 8 years… just for the occasion?
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 5:29:45 PM
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Again, the problem isn't that it's in Spanish. GWB even had campaign buttons and shirts that said "Vive la Bush!" Maybe they only used those here in Florida where his Sister-in-Law was the State's "First Lady" at the time - and happened to be Mexican herself.
The problem is that it's full of LIES.
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RE: Why Obama has ads in Spanish? - 9/19/2008 5:39:46 PM
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Perhaps even those who ARE citizens have forgotten English since; I knew Spanish very well when I was in hs.
I kinda doubt it as English is all around us here in America. They would have to go to great lengths to avoid it and every time they hear it their English knowledge would be reinforced. You might hear Spanish on a regular basis but certainly not as much as English (unless you went to a Spanish speaking country after high school).
No offense but I just can't see any person living in America (or Britain or other English speaking countries) forgetting their knowledge of English. Of course I could be wrong.
Well, I'm thinking that some Latinos talk to their families in Spanish only, then we have Spanish tv/radio and many things are bilingual now (at least here)... and really, even if all I heard was Spanish, I could still not retain it if I make no effort to do so, no matter how much I hear it. Perhaps individuals are different...but being surrounded by it doesn't always matter. Plus, it seems like some are pretty insular as well....but I figured it might be because some are illegal. But no, being surrounded doesn't make you retain/remember unless you WANT to retain and remember...or because they didn't want to put forth the significant effort it takes it just went by the wayside. People can avoid anything. From what I've seen in some Latinos... it happens. :) Or something is happening where they lost their English and don't worry about regaining it for whatever reason. *I* would WANT to retain the language...apparently, not everyone is that way. I don't think it's a good idea to do that, but people do what they will. Lol.
ETA: If being surrounded by it all the time meant learning/reinforcing, then a ton more Latinos around here would remember/know English by now. I can't speak for other areas of the country though. 
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I don't see how it's different going the reverse direction. Not that anyone HAS to do that, btw. I'd like that consideration though.
