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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/11/2008 4:11:54 PM
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PrincessDonna
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Question I started pondering while nursing my little one...
When God looks at us, does He see us as we will be, complete and in the image of His son, or as we are now, struggling humans who have a long way to go?
I think I have an answer, but curious to hear your thoughts, and especially looking for any Scriptures that back up your answer.
Discuss... 
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/11/2008 5:07:23 PM
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I thought it said somewhere in the Bible or maybe its just someone's thoughts that I have heard or read that He sees us as He see's Jesus...
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/12/2008 10:40:19 PM
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Well, God knows the past, present and future. So, while He sees us as he sees Jesus, I also think God sees our current struggles, our failures and our successes. And I think He is very active in that through His spirit.
That was my thought also. Hard to wrap my mind around...how He can see us as already completed and at the same time guide us through this time of refining with the ultimate goal of completion. He has to see us in our current struggles, but at the same time, not??? Amazing...
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/12/2008 10:59:02 PM
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He can see how far you've come, too (the past). He can see all at the same time--it is a bit mind-blowing sometimes to ponder God.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/12/2008 11:00:48 PM
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it is a bit mind-blowing sometimes to ponder God.
It's probably supposed to be too. I'd imagine if we ever think we have God figured out, we better be looking out for a lightning bolt. 
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/13/2008 8:38:15 PM
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That is a deep question. There is a song by Aaron Keyes - Not Guilty Anymore and that song I think shows us exactly how God views His children. Here is a portion of the song that I love:
You are spotless.
You are holy.
You are faultless.
You are whole.
You are righteous.
You are blameless.
You are pardoned.
You are MINE!
You’re not guilty anymore.
You’re not filthy anymore.
I love you, mercy is yours.
You’re not broken anymore.
You’re not captive any more.
I love you, mercy is yours.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/15/2008 1:19:20 AM
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I have a question. I have been reading Ephesians. You know how Paul keeps talking about the mystery (being that Jews AND gentiles will be made one) and how it was only revealed in NT times... Why wasn't it revealed earlier? I probably know the answer if I think about it. It might even be a silly question. Why didn't he reveal that Gentiles will also be part of the Kingdom? Did he only change his mind because the Jews rejected Christ? Wasn't it His plan for all of us to be part of His family anyway. Back then, being a Jew just meant you believed in God and you kept his laws. So if others who didn't know God, accepted that God was who He said He was, then they were considered a Jew? Where does that word even come from anyway?
Like if he already knew that He was going to send Jesus to save everyone, why didn't He make it clear before Jesus came? Do you get what I am talking about? I can't wrap my head around things today.
So many questions!!
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/15/2008 9:39:57 AM
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Back then, being a Jew just meant you believed in God and you kept his laws. So if others who didn't know God, accepted that God was who He said He was, then they were considered a Jew? Where does that word even come from anyway?
Being "Jewish" is more of an ethnicity and was in the Bible times as well, it's not based just on your beliefs in God it was about you heritage.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/15/2008 11:23:37 AM
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Even in the Old Testament, there were provisions for those who were not Jewish by birth to become part of the worshippers of Yahweh who lived by faith. Israel was to be a 'blessing' to the nations. Rahab is listed in the 'role call of faith' in Hebrews.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/15/2008 4:29:36 PM
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Yes Ryanne which is why my family who say they are Jews would only be considered that really for cultural reasons I guess, because they live their lives totally away from God except when it comes to Passover, Yum Kippur etc etc.
I have another question about pre destination.... Do you believe as Calvin did that God only chose some of us to be saved, or that he chose all of us, but then we have to choose Him???
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/16/2008 1:17:49 AM
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"Jews" are, technically, descendants of Judah. The nation of Israel divided into two countries after King Solomon died. The northern kingdom was called Israel and contained all the tribes but Judah. Right from the very beginning, they were rebellious against God. They were taken into captivity by the Assyrians several generations before Babylon took Jerusalem. Judah was the name of the southern kingdom. This nation was the one who had the good kings like Jehosophat, Josiah, Hezekiah, etc. and so their captivity came later.
Assyria never repatriated those it exiled from Israel. Rather, it did a demographic swap--they took the Israelites to Assyria and put Assyrians (or maybe some other captured nation) into the land of Israel. These are the people who eventually became known as the Samaratins, after the capital city of Israel, Samaria. The Jews, however (those from Judah), were sent back to their homeland after 70 years of exile. If you've heard the term, "The lost tribes of Israel," it's refering to those of the northern nation that simply got absorbed into Assyria and "vanished."
Being a Jew (aside from being from a descendant of Judah), was more than believing in God and keeping his laws. They were people of the covenant that God had made with Abraham. In the New Testament, Paul also calls them "people of the promise" and argues that since it had to do with a promise and covenant, it doesn't really have anything to do with genetics. This is why Christian believers can call themselves children of Abraham.
If you look through the New Testament, there are several places where a mystery or a secret has been revealled. I've been intrigued by this but haven't really spent time looking into it. But if you go to the first chapter of 1 Peter, you will see that we've been given revelation that even the angels haven't received and that the prophets longed to know but didn't.
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Like if he already knew that He was going to send Jesus to save everyone, why didn't He make it clear before Jesus came? He did! Right from the time of Adam and Eve, he talked about someone yet to come. The Jews referred to this someone as the Messiah and there are gazillions of passages in the Old Testament that speak about Jesus coming and what he would do. Think about the passages in Isaiah that are read at Christmas time. And they're not the only ones.
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Do you believe as Calvin did that God only chose some of us to be saved, or that he chose all of us, but then we have to choose Him??? This is a debate that I've chosen to not choose sides about. I can see places in Scripture where both can be "proven." But it was just yesterday that I was reading Romans 9, where Paul talks about God giving mercy to whom he will give mercy and hardening whom he will harden and that not even our desire can produce that mercy from God. I find it a difficult passage to understand, given the way salvation is generally understood by Christians today.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/16/2008 2:57:26 AM
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Yes Maggie!! Romans 9 is what a friend told me to read to sort of prove the point that God doesn't love anyone and that He has chosen only some. I don't really know what I think about that part either. But what I do know is that after it questions us "Who are we to question God?!" "What right does the clay get to ask the potter questions" so for me that shuts the deal on thing my mind cant comprehend. I have to trust in what I know to be true, that God is a good, merciful and just God.
Thanks for the info on Judah etc, someone else told me about it briefly today :)
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/16/2008 4:29:29 AM
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God loves all His creation, even the ones that reject Him.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/16/2008 7:23:17 AM
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Totally agree Sarah and Crystal!
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/16/2008 1:44:33 PM
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I don't even try. lol
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/16/2008 3:18:27 PM
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But what I do know is that after it questions us "Who are we to question God?!" "What right does the clay get to ask the potter questions" so for me that shuts the deal on thing my mind cant comprehend. I have to trust in what I know to be true, that God is a good, merciful and just God. That's my thinking too. I don't know that it's all that important to know the answer to the question of predestination. God will do what God will do. What I'm responsible for is to believe he's all he says he is and obey what he tells me to do.
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Yes Maggie!! Romans 9 is what a friend told me to read to sort of prove the point that God doesn't love anyone and that He has chosen only some. God DOES love specific people and the human race as a whole. John 3:16 says "For God so LOVED the world...." Many places in the Old Testament talks about how God loved a particular person.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/16/2008 3:39:57 PM
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God will do what God will do. What I'm responsible for is to believe he's all he says he is and obey what he tells me to do.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/16/2008 3:47:06 PM
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Thanks! You're welcome to use it.
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