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RE: Kicka - #4 - 9/30/2008 4:14:00 PM
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lexie
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Before I answer, could I just ask what they believe is the specific purpose? And do they believe that someone with the gift of tongues can speak in tongues anytime, and that they are in control of it, or something else?
That they are there for edification of the church. The church doesn't believe that you must speak in tongues to be saved. As for speaking in tongues at anytime or being in control, we've never really gotten into it but as far as I understand it's kind of just open that it occurs and that God uses them for a purpose and we allow it to happen.
(The church that the group separated from years ago we under the belief that you must speak in tongues to be saved, and that if you attended a tarrying service it would occur and if it didn't then you did not have enough faith. They were pretty strict about when they should occur and how they should occur, and so my church has tried to stay away from such "restrictions" and essentially just leave it open.)
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 9/30/2008 6:21:15 PM
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I don't have much to offer on the current topic...
I have a whole other topic/rant of sorts in mind...
David went to the doctor today (2nd opinion doctor) and he said to basically disregard everything the previous doctor said about ACL repair, and "cleaning out" of the left knee. (which is the one that is painful) He (doctor) doesn't feel that's necessary. He says his whole problem is arthritis.
Then the doctor decided to (finally) listen to me, and check out his other knee. *sigh* He wants to do a knee replacement on his right knee. The x-rays looked horrible. His knee does not line up properly... it is as if it is a house sliding off of it's foundation... severely. It is touching on the inside of the knee, and a big gap on the outside. It has shifted over so that the x-ray looks as though it is about a 1/4- 1/2 inch hanging over where it should basically line up properly. He feels that the break in the right ankle IS caused by his bowlegged-ness... which is caused by this injury to the joint. He says that the only hope for this joint is to replace it.
The 1st doctor totally disregarded the fact that he is bowlegged. He didn't even consider it as a factor in the break.
Knee replacement will mean 4-6 weeks of no driving (since it's the right leg)... and atleast 3-4 weeks out of work. It also means 3-4 days in the hospital. Not to mention rehabilitation and everything.
So, now we have some decisions to make. We already expected surgery for David, and possibly being out of work for 3-4 weeks, but this is a more serious surgery, and it will require a hospital stay. Plus, the doctor says that a joint replacement will likely last only 10-15 years... but he sees no alternative.
So, how do we decide which doctor knows better? A 3rd opinion?? Do we go with fixing the left or the right knee? Would the problem in the left knee (ACL needing repair) eventually cause the problem that the right knee has (being so malformed/misaligned)? How do you choose a doctor and a procedure when one is telling you one thing, and the next is telling you to totally disregard everything that the 1st told you?
It's all very very confusing/frustrating
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 9/30/2008 7:24:13 PM
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It feels weird being referred to as "international", but I gues it's true 
Gina - wow! That would be very frustrating. I think, because they were such drastically different opinions, I'd be tempted to get a 3rd. Unless one of them lines up with what you were expecting... ?
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 9/30/2008 7:34:21 PM
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Gina, what does your gut say? Right or left? As far as the ACL/arthritis one, that is a laproscopic surgery, right? They can put a scope in there and SEE what is going on. IME, they really aren't sure what the problem is until they can see it. My dad supposedly had a torn rotor cuff in his shoulder and when he went in for surgery, they found a huge bone spur instead.  I've heard of more than one instance of things like that happening, especially involving shoulders and knees.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 9/30/2008 10:21:44 PM
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Gina, I'd go to a better-known expert (if you can). With some things, doctors have (educated, reasonable) opinions...and it's likely that one or both opinions can be true. I'd go to some other doctors.
I'm watching this special on public television about people who lost their insurance and got sick.... it's very sad. :(
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 9/30/2008 10:24:18 PM
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Gina, I had to replace my R knee one year ago. I have arthritis and tore my ACL. I would suggest you find an orthopedics surgeon who does only knee replacement. Ask around an to research. As which to do first, I was told to do the one that hurts the most. Good luck with finding a Dr and with the surgery
Nancy
< Message edited by caringnurse -- 9/30/2008 10:53:35 PM >
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 9/30/2008 10:50:52 PM
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There was a recent news article that said that the "cleaning out" of knees has proven to have no significant difference to doing nothing.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 9:11:22 AM
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Donna, my "gut" tells me not to fully and completely trust either diagnosis yet. He has pain... daily... in the left leg. It is clearly unstable, and the MRI showed that he needs his ACL repaired. This 2nd doctor said to disregard all that. He says that he is headed for knee replacement due to arthritis... based on x-rays.
The right leg... I believe it truly needs something. I don't understand how he can walk after seeing that x-ray. It was that bad. I wish there were something external they could do to help it out though... or something short of total knee replacement as all the bones are fully there... just not lined up correctly. I guess that's why knee replacements are available, but maybe I just need to research knee replacements some to feel more comfortable with it.
Maggie, the problem is that he has a cyst in there, as well as a torn miniscus... so it makes sense to "clean out" the offfending things... I'm not sure about that though. I guess that's something else to look up.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 9:22:59 AM
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I believe that public tongues happens when the Spirit comes upon a person and prompts them to speak a message from Him (and that He also then prompts another with the interpretation).
So what I'm wondering is, is this something that we can "fight off" or control?
Gina - I would get a third opinion. I've had lots of problems with my knees over the years, and saw quite a few doctors (including one extremely good one) who couldn't find a reason for my problems. My physiotherapist finally discovered the problem and I was able to stop the pain. So I guess my point is, make sure you get enough opinions you are comfortable with before making a decision. (It turns out most of my problems were in my feet.)
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 10:16:54 AM
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Interesting. I've been wondering if my knee problems were because of my feet.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 1:27:55 PM
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that's interesting... David walks only on the outer edges of his feet. His shoes always look terribly worn on the heels and the outer edges... and the big toe and arch area can still look almost new.
I was kind of assuming that that was due to the bowlegged-ness, and since we now know that that is due to the knees shifting... I'm not sure. =)
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 2:39:40 PM
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hmm... did a little research, and I am totally unhappy with the doctor yesterday. I believe he likely needs a knee replacement... but they were trying to force us to schedule an appointment for the surgery yesterday. He never mentioned what methods he uses, or what type of knee replacement it would be. He did not encourage any thought nor any research into the choices out there today before scheduling anything. He sort of had the "why doubt me" attitude accompanied by the "disregard everything everyone else has told you" attitude. *grr* My mom said "maybe he's just like Dr. House and has no bedside manner but is a great doctor..." I laughed, and it could be true... but the liklihood of that is, well, small.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 3:02:43 PM
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Interesting. I've been wondering if my knee problems were because of my feet.
Mine are because of my hips... One is higher then the other and it causes me to have some difficult knee problems. Regular visits to a Chiro usually ward off chronic pain though.
Gina, I would get a third opinion. I was told all sorts of things, and did have one knee scoped. It is tons, I mean *tons* better now but I also had additional problems. Not only are my hips uneven, but I also have a strength imbalance in my quads and hams that was causing some other issues.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 3:16:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: lexie
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I believe that public tongues happens when the Spirit comes upon a person and prompts them to speak a message from Him (and that He also then prompts another with the interpretation).
So what I'm wondering is, is this something that we can "fight off" or control?
Personally, I think that we can decide to "fight off" the Spirit. Doing so might make us pretty miserable, but I don't think that God 'forces' people to do things.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 3:40:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: magdaleine
There was a recent news article that said that the "cleaning out" of knees has proven to have no significant difference to doing nothing.
I think something similar to the placebo effect could affect some of those things. I haven't seen the article, but if it's true, it's possible that people get their knees "cleaned out" with no real benefit but perceive a benefit because they know they had the surgery. I'm sure either way there are some who do have a real benefit.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 5:09:39 PM
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So what I'm wondering is, is this something that we can "fight off" or control?
So from what our pastor told us on Monday that you can fight it off or control it the Holy Spirit won't do anything that we don't allow.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/1/2008 5:19:41 PM
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I believe that public tongues happens when the Spirit comes upon a person and prompts them to speak a message from Him (and that He also then prompts another with the interpretation).
So what I'm wondering is, is this something that we can "fight off" or control?
I believe so, yes.
1 Corinthians 14 v 40 says, of worship (including tongues):
"But all things should be done decently and in order."
I believe very much in orderly worship. To me that doesn't mean standing still and not getting emotionally involved in worship, but it does mean that a sense of order is maintained. I believe that the speaker is in control of his mental faculties, and therefore things of the Spirit can be
"given in to" or resisted. I've heard it said many times that the Holy Spirit is a gentleman.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/2/2008 8:52:13 AM
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Thanks all for the responses to my questions.
Re: knees
I've talked with many people who have had knee problems that stem from elsewhere. I met with one specialist who looked at the way I walked but didn't find a problem. My physiotherapist found the same thing. But my knee pain came from skating and we found that it was something my feet were doing while skating (which is hard to tell when your feet are in the boot.) Taping them ended up working really well for me.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 1:39:15 AM
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For the married ladies: Do you vote (or plan to vote) the same way that your husbands do? I happened to be reading a very patriarchally-minded Christian blog and ran across this statement written by the Dad- "our family will be voting for ___." It made me wonder if (note: not assume that) the father dictated how the women in his family would vote, or if they had all discussed it and come to the same decision.
I keep coming up with interesting kicka topics, but I'm usually in the car where I can't write them down.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 1:46:20 AM
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We just happen to agree on the vote to cast all the time.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 5:24:57 AM
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How would the man really know what the woman voted for anyway, even if he did tell her how HE wanted her to vote
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and then after that is healed up she will then have braces for another year...and along with taking out 4 teeth. one side of her mouth lines up right and other side doesn't line up the same causing her always to smile to always be on one side... and this will also change her face shape... Sounds crazy doesn't it 
