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ORIGINAL: cinnken
I must give credit of my growing affection towards McCain to Obama. Yes, Obama has opened my eyes to the outstanding qualities and attributes of McCain, and for that I am grateful.

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

Cinnken,

Much as I may agree with some of your opinions, you ought to get relady's name right.

Also, Ann Richards said, "he was born with a silver foot in his mouth." That was the highlight of her political career by the way.

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I was born during the Depression in a little community just outside Waco, and I grew up listening to Franklin Roosevelt on the radio. Well, it was back then that I came to understand the small truths and the hardships that bind neighbors together. Those were real people with real problems and they had real dreams about getting out of the Depression. I can remember summer nights when we’d put down what we called the Baptist pallet, and we listened to the grown-ups talk. I can still hear the sound of the dominoes clicking on the marble slab my daddy had found for a tabletop. I can still hear the laughter of the men telling jokes you weren’t supposed to hear -- talkin' about how big that old buck deer was, laughin' about mama puttin' Clorox in the well when the frog fell in.

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

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ORIGINAL: ayani


Should the government protect private individuals and corporations from suffering the full loss of their poor decision?

Should there be any government regulation of private enterprise.?

There should be some regulation but how much is actually the issue. I tend toward a more libertarian view, but to be purely libertarian, which adopts a completely hands off (laissez faire) approach to the economy? No, that's not feasible. History bears that out. But oversight is one thing and running the thang is another.

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

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ORIGINAL: ayani


Are we going to honestly admit our error of allowing totally free markets in areas which we rely for the public good? As conservatives, are you willing to regulate the industries (banking, investment companies, insurance companies, money-market funds) that the public is going to bail-ouit? Or, is the goal just to hand these businesses and investors a wad of cash and walk away? Like most people, I'm at a total loss as to what's happenening, and whqat's going to happen from here, and what the intention is. Conservatives argued loudly against the taxpayers paying for the poor decisions of homowners who bought houses in risky markets, or with risky mortgages. I don't know what to think when the same folks are, in the matter of a week, thinking that the taxpayers should at least partially reimburse the issuers of those financial instruments for the poor decision they made.

Not that we may have any choice, but I want to make sure this doesn't happen again. Or worse, we hand the banks and foreign investors $700Billion charged to the US credit card, and go back to business as usual.

I have no idea where you're getting your characterization of 'conservatives,' but it does not square with what I've read extensively about and experienced in the last 50 years. I do agree that Bush and company are much more into big government than most conservatives I know. In fact, that makes him, er, not a conservative IMO -- at least far from a fiscal conservative. This is an old 'plaint of mine about Bush. His papa was the same way.

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ORIGINAL: Dubya

I think your hatred of conservatives is blinding you in this crisis.

First of all, the actions of the government this week is BI-PARTISAN! READ THE NEWS!

Secondly, I don't think you really understand the consequences of doing nothing.

There is no doubt that the real causes of this needs to be investigated. The answer is not simply "poor management" becasue there was recent legislation which led to the mortgage crisis. Legislation which both political parties are responsible for.

The fact is that the economy runs on credit. No business and no employer would not be hurt by a failure in the financial markets. This means average working people and poor people would suffer the worst if the government did nothing. Is that what you want?

Honestly, the class warfare and hatred needs to end because the folks who will hurt the most are the ones least able to handle it. The government did the right thing.

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

I feel left out of the republican party and I blame two things. Bush, sr and jr, and Clinton.

The Bush's because they perverted conservatism.

Clinton becuase he made it politically acceptable to be a moderate.

You might get elected by not offending many people but you sure can't lead...and the president needs to lead. Neither candidate are leaders.

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ORIGINAL: raspberry331

Which presidential candidate do you trust more on economic issues?

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Do you dislike Gore and Kerry as well?

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Just because someone represents a company or organization's interests in the hall of Congress, or registers as a lobbyists doesn't prove they're exerting pressure or contributing inappropriately to campaigns.

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Do you work/volunteer for the Obama campaign?

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ORIGINAL: relady

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Just because someone represents a company or organization's interests in the hall of Congress, or registers as a lobbyists doesn't prove they're exerting pressure or contributing inappropriately to campaigns.

It was not a big secret that the most recent housing "bailout" bill was written so that the banks approved the language. If you think lobbyists don't have HUGE input into legislation that affects their industries, you are the naive one.

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ORIGINAL: relady
but Gore wasn't raised with the proverbial silver spoon like Bush was.

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ORIGINAL: Dubya

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but Gore wasn't raised with the proverbial silver spoon like Bush was.

Where in the world did you get that idea???

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Truth is that correcting something that should have never happened with the financial markets is a BI-PARTISAN responsibility -- created by all parties and if they tell you otherwise they are lying.

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ORIGINAL: LivingParadox

Truth is that correcting something that should have never happened with the financial markets is a BI-PARTISAN resposibility -- created by all parties and if they tell you otherwise they are lying.

Now as for as whose judgement I trust as president, which is purely speclative at this point as at earliest it will be Jan before either has much say so -- I trust John McCain to get the information needed, act decisely and more importantly has the ability to put partisan interest aside to do what the country needs.

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Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say.

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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
The sad thing is, 50% of America seem to want to continue doing business as usual with McCain as President; And after voting for him will they be the first to whine about their devalued 401K's?

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

And where are Raines and Johnson today? Why advising Obama of course. In fact, Johnson headed his VP selection committee, and Raines is one of his chief advisers about how to deal with the housing mess.

Now why did I read NY Times only? Because they are no friend to the Bush administration, and when they're talking about Bush calling for more oversight, you know they said it begrudgingly.

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ORIGINAL: jadab
If we are to believe Raines, he did have a couple of telephone conversations with someone in the Obama campaign.

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

And where are Raines and Johnson today? Why advising Obama of course. In fact, Johnson headed his VP selection committee, and Raines is one of his chief advisers about how to deal with the housing mess.

Now why did I read NY Times only? Because they are no friend to the Bush administration, and when they're talking about Bush calling for more oversight, you know they said it begrudgingly.

What precludes you from checking your facts before you post them? Is there a bias that won't allow you to do research or are you intentionally spreading lies?

FACT: Johnson is not advising the Obama campaign today as you so erroneously claim. Johnson remained on Obama’s committee for just a week. He resigned on June 11, amid allegations that Johnson received preferential treatment from Countrywide Financial Corp. Source: http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/09/18/freddie-fannie-and-barack/

FACT: Raines is not an Obama advisor either.Since this has now become a campaign issue, I asked Huslin to provide the exact circumstances of that passage. She said that she was chatting with Raines during the photo shoot, and asked "if he was engaged at all with the Democrats' quest for the White House. He said that he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign. I asked him about what, and he said, 'Oh, general housing, economy issues.' ('Not mortgage/foreclosure meltdown or Fannie-specific?' I asked, and he said 'no.')"

By Raines's own account, he took a couple of calls from someone on the Obama campaign, and he or she had general discussions about economic issues. I have asked both Raines and the Obama people for more details on these calls.

THE PINOCCHIO TEST

The McCain campaign is clearly exaggerating wildly in attempting to depict Raines as a close adviser to Obama on "housing and mortgage policy." If we are to believe Raines, he did have a couple of telephone conversations with someone in the Obama campaign. But that hardly makes him an adviser to the candidate himself -- and certainly not in the way depicted in the McCain video release. Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091903604.html

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The bottom line is that you can hold any opinion that you want, but if you check the facts before you pass them on it can only be to your credit. Passing off false or disproved information as truth makes you look either too lazy to find the facts or just plain malicious.