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Perry Stone - 9/17/2008 4:45:17 PM
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Rick4Him
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Hi All,
Does anyone know of Perry Stone of the Mana-fest variety? I've seen him on TV but never listened in. My wife is doing a study where some of the material is from him, should I be aware of any false teachings by him?
Rick
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/17/2008 7:58:47 PM
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Perry Stone is a heretic who sells a meal package on his ministries' website, calls it the Lord's Supper, and claims if you buy it from him you'll be healed of any sickness or disease. His so-called "ministry" is Voice Of Evangelism.
It is tragic that false prophets today have turned the church into a den of thieves, just as Jesus said (Luke 19:46). Charismatics are guilty of this more than anyone else. Christianity is not a business! Of course, Perry Stone won't give you a refund if you don't get healed. What a disgrace! Peter Popoff sells his Miracle Water to make a buck. Don Stewart sells his Green Prosperity Prayer Handkerchief to make a buck. And Perry Stone sells his Meal That Heals to make a buck. "
The page has some other interesting info: HERE
I cannot and do not vouch for the site or its contents, but I thought you would find it of interest.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/18/2008 11:52:48 AM
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I've watched him for years.
Is there things to watch out for?
YES, INDEED!!!!!
I assume he believes what he teaches, but it's wrong.
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The Bible teaches it is better to be divided over truth; than to be united by error (2nd Corinthians 6:14-17).
That's a statement worthy of meditation.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/19/2008 10:11:37 AM
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Steve,
Thanks for the link.
Rick
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/19/2008 2:53:38 PM
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Irish2,
What part is your post/comments and what part are you responding to? Salvation is not dependent on good deeds I could ever possibly even try to do. So it's a abhorrent thing to have as her "sinners prayer".
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/19/2008 5:20:53 PM
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just don't see how trying to obey Christ's commandments is in any way heretical according to this website.
It is not about us trying on our own efforts to follow all the rules, but in letting the HS be our guide. We will always fall short of God's standard of perfection and fall into sin. When we do, we repent, and continue on the journey.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/20/2008 11:36:54 AM
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I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible.
Is not a statement on Works based salvation....
It's merely an acknowledgment of trying to live your life as God would have you.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/20/2008 12:34:35 PM
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I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible.
Is not a statement on Works based salvation....
It's merely an acknowledgment of trying to live your life as God would have you.
I'd have to agree (sadly). I DO NOT like the teaching of Perry Stone...so don't get me wrong! BUT, I don't think that particular statement, at the end of that particular prayer, should be given that much attention. I believe it's splitting hairs and there are many more substantial things that could be discussed about Mr. Stone.
And while I don't like his theology, I do admire the knowledge he has of Israel. Some of his programs are interesting to watch for that reason...kind of a history lesson. When his "commercials" start, I exercise my right of "remote controlness"! 
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/20/2008 12:41:16 PM
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It's merely an acknowledgment of trying to live your life as God would have you.
I guess this means on how one defines the word "trying"; does this mean a life of self-effort. A life of living by "the rules" and trying to dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s. Or one of being guided by the HS?
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/20/2008 1:11:12 PM
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It's merely an acknowledgment of trying to live your life as God would have you.
I guess this means on how one defines the word "trying"; does this mean a life of self-effort. A life of living by "the rules" and trying to dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s. Or one of being guided by the HS?
My view is that "it is what it is"....
It's a statement built on living life guided by God's word, not using self-effort.
Example: Growing up we normally try to follow our parents direction, sometime we fail and sometimes we disobey. Our parents still love us and we still love them, we just don't always do a great job of following direction.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/20/2008 2:41:41 PM
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It's a statement built on living life guided by God's word, not using self-effort.
That is the key
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/20/2008 3:19:27 PM
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earthless,
I agree with you that you can't earn your salvation through good works, it's a free gift from God.
My only issue was this website accusing Mr. Stone of being a heretic because of that statement. It's pretty strong language for people claiming to be Christians themselves.
Anyway, there is certainly a necessary response to God's free gift of salvation and a call from Christ throughout the scriptures to make use of that gift.
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments
John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Notice all the "If's" in these verses. I think it's good to tell a new Christian to strive to live up to what Christ expects of us. How else would we grow spiritually? Read the parable of the talents for example.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/20/2008 4:06:00 PM
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I think it's good to tell a new Christian to strive to live up to what Christ expects of us. How else would we grow spiritually?
But this is the beginings of a works-based faith. God's standard is absolute perfection which is impossible to obtain by human effort. Instead, I would tell a new Chirstian to be fed by the Spirit inspired Word and to be directed by the Spirits' leadings. We grow in faith the same way we learned to walk as a babe, we fall-down, dust overselves off (confess our sins), and proceed onward.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/21/2008 11:22:20 AM
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I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible.
Is not a statement on Works based salvation....
It's merely an acknowledgment of trying to live your life as God would have you.
Is that really what the unbeliever, the ignorant individual of Scripture, of biblical Christianity is going to take away?
And to Irish - the issues with Perry Stone go a lot deeper and further than just that one statement.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/21/2008 12:03:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: PatHarris
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I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible.
Is not a statement on Works based salvation....
It's merely an acknowledgment of trying to live your life as God would have you.
Is that really what the unbeliever, the ignorant individual of Scripture, of biblical Christianity is going to take away?
Why not. When we pray with unsaved and they make a profession of faith, don't we also tell them to read their Bible and spend some time in devotion everyday.
I don't see any difference in that statement. It's merely a follow-though to the new believer.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/21/2008 9:50:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: earthless
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ORIGINAL: PatHarris
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I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible.
Is not a statement on Works based salvation....
It's merely an acknowledgment of trying to live your life as God would have you.
Is that really what the unbeliever, the ignorant individual of Scripture, of biblical Christianity is going to take away?
Why not. When we pray with unsaved and they make a profession of faith, don't we also tell them to read their Bible and spend some time in devotion everyday.
I don't see any difference in that statement. It's merely a follow-though to the new believer.
Apples and oranges. We are to disciple those who are newly come to Christ. But to preach that salvation is in part due to one doing good works? That is unbiblical.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/21/2008 10:58:34 PM
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Why not. When we pray with unsaved and they make a profession of faith, don't we also tell them to read their Bible and spend some time in devotion everyday.
But are we to tell them to read it for information - as we do the daily news - or for transformation? Big difference. Please do not misunderstand, bible study is vital for growth as a Christian. But that it in itself can be just one more item on a "to-do" list.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/22/2008 5:59:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: PatHarris
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I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible.
Is not a statement on Works based salvation....
It's merely an acknowledgment of trying to live your life as God would have you.
Is that really what the unbeliever, the ignorant individual of Scripture, of biblical Christianity is going to take away?
Why not. When we pray with unsaved and they make a profession of faith, don't we also tell them to read their Bible and spend some time in devotion everyday.
I don't see any difference in that statement. It's merely a follow-though to the new believer.
Apples and oranges. We are to disciple those who are newly come to Christ. But to preach that salvation is in part due to one doing good works? That is unbiblical.
That's not what the statement above says.
Because of your views of Perry Stone (which I'm not a fan of either) you views are being slanted that whatever he says is wrong.
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RE: Perry Stone - 9/22/2008 6:43:09 PM
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That's not what the statement above says.
"I ask you to forgive me for these sins. I now ask Jesus to come into my heart. Be my Savior. Be my Lord. Be my soon coming King. I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible."
SOURCE: http://www.jesussaves.cc/prayer_salvation.htm
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Because of your views of Perry Stone (which I'm not a fan of either) you views are being slanted that whatever he says is wrong.
No, my view is not a matter of opinion but what his website states and what the Word of God says.
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