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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/19/2008 5:14:58 PM
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edlove50
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If you have accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior and repented of your sins then yes you are going to heaven. Music will not keep you from that. You have to sensor what you listen to because it can become a stumbling block and that includes even Christian music but mostly secular. I listen to music from when I was in high school, but I listen mostly to christian. There are groups I wouldn't listen to from then because I have learned what some of their music contains as far as a message. So, learn what you can about the groups you want to hear, pray and let that be your guide. Be prepared to let go of them no matter how much you like them.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/19/2008 5:23:55 PM
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Yes, but in that case it should still glorify God, right?
Well the post asked about christian rock or any rock. I believe that music that is labeled "christian"
usually the content is glorifying God. Secular rock, their content may or may not contain a christian point of view depending on the artist and what they believe in. I do know that artists who are not labeled as Christian bands and are in the mainstream most of the time express their faith through their lyrics. If a listener can relate to to what the performer is sharing and it helps them in whatever situation they may be going through wouldn't that be something God would want? If the performer is a believer, that is.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/19/2008 9:45:13 PM
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Well the post asked about christian rock or any rock. I believe that music that is labeled "christian"
usually the content is glorifying God. Secular rock, their content may or may not contain a christian point of view depending on the artist and what they believe in. I do know that artists who are not labeled as Christian bands and are in the mainstream most of the time express their faith through their lyrics. If a listener can relate to to what the performer is sharing and it helps them in whatever situation they may be going through wouldn't that be something God would want? If the performer is a believer, that is.
I understand this. But the Bible says that we are to do all to the glory of God. I'm just pointing out that just because listening to a certain type of music won't send you to hell doesn't mean that all music is okay to listen to. Including rock. Even including some Christian rock. Just because a music group is labeled "Christian" shouldn't be sufficient grounds to listen to them. But I'm not saying rock is bad. Rock is just a type. It's like basketball. Basketball isn't good or bad. However, some people may be perfectly fine playing basketball, and in playing basketball the result may result in God being glorified in some way. But for another person, playing basketball may make him think something wrong, do something wrong, or say something wrong. In that case basketball would not be appropiate for him to play.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/19/2008 11:24:52 PM
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The problem in theory of everyhting having to" bring glory to God" is that not everything in your daily life can bring glory to God. I.e. brushing your teeth, driving in a car, grocery shopping, ect. Besides, for us 30 somethings and older who grew up on Stryper who do you think inspired them musically? Ahh that would be Deep Purple not a "Christian" band last time I checked, what about petra who came out in in the early 70's who might some of their influences be, I guess you'd have to consider the bands that were popular in their time....Hmmm. Dont get all hung up whether God minds you listening to secular music, the reason why so many Christians listen to secular music is because it sounds SOOOOO much better at times than the lame music that come out of some Christian bands.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/20/2008 8:08:07 AM
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I agree that some music is not for everybody. I choose to stay away from artists whose content is selfish, glorifying drugs, sex, money etc. That's my choice I can't speak for others. There are a lot of things in this world that can be used in ways that aren't right for us. We pray and ask God to help us recognize those things and remove them if they should be a stumbling block for ourselves or someone else. Listening to any music, no matter what genre, is not going to send me to hell just as eating pizza, playing a certain sport won't. On the other hand, if one of those things affects me in way that will cause me or someone else harm then by all means I should be asking God to help me remove it from my life. I'm honoring Him when I seek His guidance and direction, He alone knows what's best for me. BTW, no one was harmed the last time I made pizza. LOL
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/20/2008 9:51:11 AM
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The problem in theory of everyhting having to" bring glory to God" is that not everything in your daily life can bring glory to God. I.e. brushing your teeth, driving in a car, grocery shopping, ect. Besides, for us 30 somethings and older who grew up on Stryper who do you think inspired them musically? Ahh that would be Deep Purple not a "Christian" band last time I checked, what about petra who came out in in the early 70's who might some of their influences be, I guess you'd have to consider the bands that were popular in their time....Hmmm. Dont get all hung up whether God minds you listening to secular music, the reason why so many Christians listen to secular music is because it sounds SOOOOO much better at times than the lame music that come out of some Christian bands.
But the thing is, I believe that brushing your teeth, driving in a car, grocery shopping, ect. should bring glory to God. If you brush your teeth, what are you doing? You are taking care of your body, you are making your breath smell pleasant, you are being a good steward of what the Lord has given you, which glorifies Him. When you go grocery shopping, the result should be God being glorified. Even if it is little things, like not being lazy and willing to go shopping for what you need instead of ordering pizza everyday, or being a good testimony to the world in managing a good budget when you shop. When you drive a car, you should drive safe, drive following the law, and God should be glorified. Music should glorify God. Period. No matter if it direct worship to God, or music that inspires us and lifts us up. The result should be God being glorified. Which is the reason we were made.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/21/2008 10:02:52 AM
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Watching sports, especially hockey, means you're going to hell.
Watching TV? yer going to hell!
Playing any musical instrument other than the human voice in a church means you're going to hell.
Being in a movie theater when the Lord returns means you'll go to hell.
Bowling leads to going to hell.
If you play pool yer going to hell.
Listening to the rhythm of the falling rain means you're going to hell
Picking your nose leads to hell.
May as well say all the above as to say something as lame as listening to the 'rock' style of music means you're going to hell.
The people that say things like that are dead from the neck up. How lame can you get.
Music is sound waves. Sound waves have no moral value. Sound has no holiness or unholiness.
Music belongs to God. There is no music in hell but the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The kid in your class seriously needs to get his false teaching out of his mind.
When I was a kid they had Bob Larson (one the original principal instigators against rock music) come to my church. He preached for a week against rock music, had all the kids bring in their Beatles, Byrds, Elvis, Beach Boys, etc records and trash 'em. Even condemned the Byrds for 'daring' to write a 'rock' song with biblical lyrics!! We don't even call that rock anymore!
Then the last night he put on his biggest show - he demonstrated live with his Fender Jaguar guitar and twin reverb amp, rock music by playing the different styles for us. A real early 60's rock show!
So here's the question. When you preach against adultery do you give a demonstration?
When you preach against witchcraft do you give a demonstration? Murder? Incest?
If rock is so 'of the devil' why was he playing it in church!?!
'Nuff said on the value of Larson's message.
'Rock' music actually came out of the Negro gospel spirituals
Is there thus no music of the devil? Well the dissonant and irritating droning of some Buddhist priests sure sounds like the devils music if he has any!
Didn't Larson change his tune (no pun intended) on rock, though (at least in the area of Christian rock)?
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/22/2008 10:09:13 AM
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But now thousands year later not many christians have anything with the piano. Actually the piano was invented in 1700. A few years back my wife, BIL, Sil and I attended the Smithsonian's 300th birthday celebration for the piano. quote:
Am I going to hell for listening to a certain music type?Im pretty sure the answer is no... This argument is old. I saw a film of a guy in the 40s saying how big band music would take you to hell and it was the exact same arguments as they raised in the early 1960s about rock (yeah - the argument against R&R is almost 50 years old) .
If you REAAALLLLY want to sing or play the kind of music is acceptable to Jesus, it would be in a different scale system, minor key, and sung in Aramaic. There would be no chordal structure, no harmony, and all melodic instruments would double the melody.
The closest thing we have today would be Arabic folk music.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/22/2008 10:40:25 AM
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I just want see exactly where it says in the Bible that, "For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life, unless they listen to rock, in which case they are going to hell."
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/22/2008 11:50:38 AM
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When I read this...
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There would be no chordal structure, no harmony,
I realized that my singing is PERFECT....
I tell everyone, in Psalms we are encouraged to make a joyful NOISE to the Lord. Not that it has to sound good.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/22/2008 12:00:49 PM
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I was not raised a Christian instead of saying I found God it was more like God picked me and even during the times when I did not know God I l listened to Ozzy and Motley Crue and Iron Maiden etc, I played in a band I was the lead singer it was Rock music that kept me going, or so I thought. You see I listned to the music not the lyrics and it was through the music especially Bon Jovi and others like Journey that I really started to listen to lyrics and how they sang about love and just haveing fun and then I discovered Christian Rock (Stryper, White Cross etc.) and they sang of another type of love God's love for us and how we should love God with our heart and soul and mind. I still listen to Rock music (AC/DC, Journey, Kiss) but I listen to it diffrently and I mostly listen to Christian music and Christian Rock but what I have discovered is as long as you keep Christ in your heart it doesn't matter what type of music you may listen to.
The only way that I know and have come to understand that a person will go to hell is if they do not know and accept Jesus as their savior. Not because of the music they do or do not listen too.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/22/2008 12:13:47 PM
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The only way that I know and have come to understand that a person will go to hell is if they do not know and accept Jesus as their savior. Not because of the music they do or do not listen too. Amen, brother. Preach it!
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/22/2008 12:15:21 PM
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Didn't Larson change his tune (no pun intended) on rock, though (at least in the area of Christian rock)?
Not aware that he did or didn't. He's certainly become controversial and has a lot of the ear mraks of a fraud but I don't know anything more these days.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/23/2008 9:39:11 AM
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Didn't Larson change his tune (no pun intended) on rock, though (at least in the area of Christian rock)?
Not aware that he did or didn't. He's certainly become controversial and has a lot of the ear mraks of a fraud but I don't know anything more these days.
Yes he did. He stated the Metal connection I still have the video he put out that has him sitting with the singers from Deliverance, Vengeance Rising, Angelicas Guitarist and the drummer for Tournaquet. He plays there videos they had out at the time and then sits down and has a talk session with them. He was very supportive and acted very greatful for what they where doing for the kids.
But with Larson there always seems to be an ulterior motive. Last I had heard he had renounced his support toward Vengeance Rising since Rogers supposed fall from grace aparantly Roger Martinez threatened his life. But THAT is hear say I am in no way saying its true. Its just what ive read and have been told. But Larson never ever mentions Christian Rock anymore right now he has been to busy attacking Cradle of filth and bands like that I haven't heard the word Christian Rock come out of his mouth since the early 90s. Then it was positive who knows what he thinks now.
By the way to the poster who started this post is your friend any relation to Jeff Godwin? Had to ask that he's the poster boy from the 80s for extreme Christian conspiracy theories toward Christian Rock. He was actually able to whip Roger Martinez from Vengeance Rising into such a fury I thought Roger was going to kill him but if I had screamed at Roger what Godwin did I guess I would get angry too.
It seems to me that most of your anti Christian Rock dudes are extremist KJV only people. Why is this does anyone know? Ive often wondered to if Godwin and Terry Watkins from Dial the joke have ever come over here to read what people write. I will tell you all something scary I got the nerve up to call Dial the jokes hotline and its a recorded message and theres a woman monotone it is so uncany and strange its really scary its like shes been hypnotised then Watkins comes on and starts ranting about backwards messages in Sandi Patti's, Larnel Harris and Amy Grants music oh yeah lets not forget the demonology you learn and hear while playing Stryper backwards. LOL! How how Michael Sweet would feel about that one. Anyway take care and greatpost
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/23/2008 3:54:27 PM
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Ok its a new shool year and a I go to a secualr school.A new student came to my class and he was a christian and he sat down right next to my friend and they started to talk.Then my friend told him that I was a christian.So as like anyother christian he would talk to me and learn about eachother.So he asked me what kind of music do I like and I said I like Christian Rock and some Secular rock.Then after I said that he just got mad and said ANYTHING THAT IS ROCK IS WRONG!!!!!!ITS FROM THE DEVIL!!!
Then the thing that shocked me was he said I WAS GOING TO HELL.And I was Like WHAT!?!?!?!The he told me to go to this one website
And so I checked it out and I found the testimonys to be pretty weak .But then I saw the question will listening to Rock music send me to Hell!So i clicked it and it says no i won't.Now why would a christian tell me to go this site when the answer is no?He says that question from the site is wrong and it should say yes.Im not sure whats wrong with this guy but hes telling me im going to hell for some music genre........WWWOOOWWW!!!
I don't see anywere in the bible which music is bad and which music is wrong.Every year people get smarter and new things come along.Im pretty sure that christians were wondering if a piano would be used in chruch.And of course there is a yes and no answer.But now thousands year later not many christians have anything with the piano.
Am I going to hell for listening to a certain music type?Im pretty sure the answer is no......
Oh and he also said listeing to rock or anything rock is a SIN!WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Is this true?
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I don't see anywhere in the bible which music is bad and which music is wrong
Look at this way, King David had some "what.... 22,000 musicians... playing temple music under the anointing.....now that's one Jam session I can't wait to be in when we get to heaven.
Secular stuff…..for what it’s worth nowadays…  drives me nuts!!
.....Jesus promised us while we are out in the world making disciples and meeting them in the places where they are at ….He promised in
Lu 10:19 - Show Context
Behold,
I give ….“you”…. the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, ….“”and nothing””… shall by any means hurt you.
....SO I guess the power of the enemy rests in the words of music, or King David is in BIG TROUBLE in LITTLE CHINA! (Psalms)
And I am a firm believer in that….
Isa 54:17
“No weapon” =”word”= formed against you shall prosper,
And every tongue which rises against you in judgment “You” shall condemn.= (Speaking of the Lord)
AND….
“This is “the heritage” of the servants of the Lord””…(meaning that the Lord will condemn) . ….And their righteousness is “from Me," Says the Lord.
In light of the scripture
What what’s wrong with righteous heavy metal or Rock; as opposed to satans heavy metal or roll…
absolute nothing! ….
other than there is not enough!!
Here is a good testimony
Listen to what the young man says at about 1:00 into the video and again afterwards, them email it to your christian friend with the religious spirit ...and see what he says... 
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RsRZK1NwZSc
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/24/2008 3:12:01 PM
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christian music comes from struggle. american gospel comes from the struggle of african slaves. just go and make that joyful noise in the name of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/26/2008 2:18:37 PM
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christian music comes from struggle. american gospel comes from the struggle of african slaves. just go and make that joyful noise in the name of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Amen!
"I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean." (Romans 14:14)
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RE: Whoever listens to listens to christian rock or any... - 9/30/2008 12:53:39 AM
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Mark2x,
In the 80's I witnessed to a group of heavy metal musicians. After a year went by, I was inspired in my spirit to tell the band to make a decision tonight (back then), you are for God or you are against him.. choose you this day who you will serve.
That night they knelt down with me a re-dedicated their lives to Christ. Then they changed their name from Roxx regime to Stryper.
They re-wrote their songs to glorify the King of Kings.
I am not making this next part up either... Millions came to know who Christ is by their music and mission after they gave their lives over to Christ. Remember, The Spirit of Christ draws all men unto him, and all salvations are of God and no man can boast.
Next.. the church came out in droves at our concerts to say we were of the devil (I toured with them as their keyboardist for their first 2 record albums.
The church (religious sect) which by the way is huge and still ever so active, made a point of telling us why we were not Christians (judging us), yet those same people were not at the same arenas the week before when Motley Crue was in town. They did not care for the lost as bad as they thought, they just wanted to protect their power trip and control they weilded over those they could control.
WELL... the bible says fruit remains when it is of God.
Now 23 years later, there are still multitudes of people who gave their lives to Christ through what GOD did usuing 4 metal head kids with a passion to make a difference for Christ.
Many pastoring churches now were saved at Strypers concerts.
I was also written up in various books with Stryper and others by fame mongers who had no scriptural backing for their bogus statements, and some blantantly lied about us in their books only to make thier false claims seem real. Jeff GODWIN WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO LIED ABOUT US and his books are still considered reliable?
"We are to sing in pslams, hymns, and spiritual song" they would say as they shouted bad things at us, and Strypers songs are none of the above they would say.
But what is a "spiritual song", something born in the spirit of God maybe? Maybe the music is not the issue.. it's the heart.
Sing unto the Lord a new song! what it's all supposed to be slow, boring? I say not. Also, praise was not meant for us, but for us to give to God. I think the creator of everything (that would even include evil) if he made ALL things, that would include evil, made all forms of music as well, it's just how we decide to use the giftings he has given us.
Now in hindsight... looking back.. the fruit remains and is still producing fruit, so for which good work does the nah sayer point the finger?
If the message is pointing you to God/Jesus/Yehsua, who cares what man thinks.
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