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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/17/2008 10:24:52 PM
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Racism still exists. And whether you want to believe it or not, there are plenty of reasons why one would think racism was involved in Obama lost. Bust judging from the insensitivity of this post, their belief would be well justified.
Far more whites will vote for Obama than blacks will vote for McCain...
And your point is?
The election isn't even over and there is a race issue...
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 12:05:44 AM
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Sadly, there is racism alive and well in the US. Some friends of mine live in a town not too far from me where the Klan is alive and well. They put an Obama sign in their front yard. The next day there was a sign nailed to a tree in front of there house stating reasons why the black race is inferior and that is why nobody should vote for Obama. Rather than seeing where it was going to go next, perhaps a brick through the window, they opted to take their sign down. It won't change how they will vote, but it's sad to see racism that advanced in this day and age.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 7:13:11 AM
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I dont honestly see why anyone would start a riot at all if he lost. That makes NO sense at all. I dont see a riot starting if McCain loses either.
Am i missing something? Are citizens of this Country really that filled with ignorance?
Some are.
I know a couple of white folks who would participate, too. In fact, probably quite a few would. It's not just about race, but socialism and the nanny government stuff that they want. They think all conservatives are either stupid or bad, that whites should hate themselves in reparation for our evil history, that Obama will save the world and that anything other than a landslide victory for Obama indicates racism and corruption that needs to be "rooted out" by any means possible, violence included. 
I personally think it's bizarre, but there are some people for whom this election is either going to be the end of the world or the beginning of a utopia.  If you're that emotionally invested in it, violent rage at losing "utopia" wouldn't be all that far fetched.
The other thing is, there are some people who are just looking for an excuse to be violent, and Obama's loss would be a very convenient one.
I am actually a little nervous living in our neighborhood. Almost tempted to put a small Obama sign in our window, just in case....
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 7:57:11 AM
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If this does happen, it won't be decent black people who do such things, it will be the thugs who want an excuse to do bad things. I can also see the KKK and Skinheads coming out to do violence if Obama does win.
Probably a lot of truth here.
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Sadly, there is racism alive and well in the US.
Its alive in every country...well every country with people in it.
I will also say electing Obama would probably grow the conservative movement more than any other event possible today. I have even considered voting for him just for that purpose. If every conservative did, maybe Obama would get the support he needs to actually impliment his policies.
Then...you would find out who the real RINO's are.
Then...you would see tha falacy and idiocy of liberalism.
Then...maybe people wills ee that a vote against Obama isn't racist....
its common sence.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 8:22:42 AM
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Racism still exists. And whether you want to believe it or not, there are plenty of reasons why one would think racism was involved in Obama lost. Bust judging from the insensitivity of this post, their belief would be well justified.
How is it insensitive to point out the fact that there are some who blame everything on racism? Is it not the truth?
I would think the insensitivity comes in when the racism is first accused, not when the accuser is named.
What fact is this? Who do you know blames everything on racism? Or is that your perception? Name one person and a list of issues that they've blamed on racism. One.
Oh stop being absurd. If you are not going to be honest enough to admit that there are some who blame everything on racism then there is no point discussing this with you.
And I was not speaking of anyone here on this thread, in case that is what you were getting at, but the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 8:31:34 AM
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I was not speaking of anyone here on this thread,
I know someone on this forum who does.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 8:35:16 AM
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In fact, probably quite a few would. It's not just about race, but socialism and the nanny government stuff that they want.
Correct! For most all of us it's not about race or gender it's about economic policy and the government intruding into our personal lives and them desiring to indoctrinate our children and laws that don't uphold our morals and values.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 4:19:22 PM
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You are assuming that Obama will lose, correct? Don't be too quick to call it. The bigger question what will AmeriKKKa cry when Obama is elected?
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 4:20:59 PM
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You are assuming that Obama will lose, correct? Don't be too quick to call it. The bigger question what will AmeriKKKa cry when Obama is elected?
When is the last time the KKK (which do not exist everywhere in the U.S.) had riots ala Rodney King/South Central LA?
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 5:18:33 PM
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Racism still exists. And whether you want to believe it or not, there are plenty of reasons why one would think racism was involved in Obama lost. Bust judging from the insensitivity of this post, their belief would be well justified.
How is it insensitive to point out the fact that there are some who blame everything on racism? Is it not the truth?
I would think the insensitivity comes in when the racism is first accused, not when the accuser is named.
What fact is this? Who do you know blames everything on racism? Or is that your perception? Name one person and a list of issues that they've blamed on racism. One.
Oh stop being absurd. If you are not going to be honest enough to admit that there are some who blame everything on racism then there is no point discussing this with you.
And I was not speaking of anyone here on this thread, in case that is what you were getting at, but the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world.
I was not being absurd. That's a valid question to an assumption that you made. You stated, "there are some who blame everything on racism." Obviously you know who they are or you wouldn't have made that statement. Or do you just perceive that they are because all you see are people on TV when there is a racial issue being discussed? How many African Americans or a person of any other race do you know personally who blame racism on everything from the economy, to education, to politics, to healthcare. You don't have to name them. Just give an honest count of who you know. Then we can talk about who is being absurd.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 5:31:28 PM
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How many African Americans or a person of any other race do you know personally who blame racism on everything from the economy, to education, to politics, to healthcare. You don't have to name them. Just give an honest count of who you know. Then we can talk about who is being absurd.
Thousands. Literally.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 5:40:29 PM
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How many African Americans or a person of any other race do you know personally who blame racism on everything from the economy, to education, to politics, to healthcare. You don't have to name them. Just give an honest count of who you know. Then we can talk about who is being absurd.
Thousands. Literally.
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Thousands. Literally.
You know ... it seems the poster above named every conceivable angle but left out the most important part = themselves!
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How many African Americans or a person of any other race do you know personally who blame racism on themselves
On that angle... personally... I have meet none!!!
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 6:02:53 PM
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I was not being absurd. That's a valid question to an assumption that you made. You stated, "there are some who blame everything on racism." Obviously you know who they are or you wouldn't have made that statement. Or do you just perceive that they are because all you see are people on TV when there is a racial issue being discussed? How many African Americans or a person of any other race do you know personally who blame racism on everything from the economy, to education, to politics, to healthcare. You don't have to name them. Just give an honest count of who you know. Then we can talk about who is being absurd.
I'll chime in here too. Like Earthless, as I work in the same profession, I have personally met countless people of all ethnicities who blame everything wrong in their own lives on racism. It's the easiest way out. It tends to shut up the person being accused as no one likes to be called racist. It gets many who work within"the system" to do what they want in order to bring about peace and quiet at that moment.
I've even had a couple of former clients admit use of this tactic to me. One of thse clients used to make all kinds of promises how he was going to change his behavior in order to avoid probation violations. Then, when we go before the court, he calls me a racist and tries to make the hearing about me as oppsed to his behavior.
Perhaps too many people watch too much TV. The media portrays what they want us to see. While you accuse others of watching too much tv Adelphi, perhaps you need to look into your own viewing habits. I know that since turning off my tv this past summer, it's helped me see things more clearly.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 6:10:26 PM
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And my experiences, day in and day out, are not based on TV. The closet TV representation of my day to day is HBO's 'The Wire.'
If you know what that is.. then you know what I am talking about.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 6:47:47 PM
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I was not being absurd. That's a valid question to an assumption that you made. You stated, "there are some who blame everything on racism." Obviously you know who they are or you wouldn't have made that statement. Or do you just perceive that they are because all you see are people on TV when there is a racial issue being discussed? How many African Americans or a person of any other race do you know personally who blame racism on everything from the economy, to education, to politics, to healthcare. You don't have to name them. Just give an honest count of who you know. Then we can talk about who is being absurd.
That's the thing. Some here want to use personal experience alone (it appears) when they think about such things, but that's not always representative of the whole. There are some badly prejudiced/racist towns in Alabama, and I've experienced racism...as well as my parents (grew up in Selma in the 40's-70's app., marched in the famous marches, and my brother was killed by a racist physician who "doesn't save black babies"). I realize that my experiences are true of some, but maybe not all. I don't feel it's fair to judge based on personal experiences alone, but that's just me-- with racism and other issues. 
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 7:15:31 PM
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I have personally met countless people of all ethnicities who blame everything wrong in their own lives on racism. It's the easiest way out.
Don't you think, if they weren't a minority, or if there were no racism, these people would find something or someone else to blame anyway. I think it's a character flaw that just manifests itself in the easiest form. Which is why there will always be racism to some degree.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 7:33:14 PM
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What fact is this? Who do you know blames everything on racism? Or is that your perception? Name one person and a list of issues that they've blamed on racism. One.
I was a Corrections Officer in a large county for almost two years. We have a large Mexican/hispanic population, and they were the majority of repeat offenders. Excluding the minimum security offenders, I heard on a daily basis how the offenders were only in jail "because they were brown". We do not have a large black community (I don't use the term "African-American" because it is a misnomer), but every single black prisoner that came through my jail blamed most of their woes in life on racism. Every one.
If you are honest enough to face reality, I suggest watching A Conversation About Race, and also listening to the revealing interview conducted by Mike Rosen with the documentary's creator found HERE.
The bottom line is that the majority of racism that exists in the US today exists (at a rate approaching exclusivity) in the black and hispanic communities.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 7:33:33 PM
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I will also say electing Obama would probably grow the conservative movement more than any other event possible today.
We had 8 years of Clinton, and Bush barely won in 2000. He couldn't even take the popular vote.
Whether or not Obama being elected will be a painful lesson for the country to learn remains to be seen, but it's hard to imagine a lesson more painful then the last 4 years after re-electing Bush.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 8:05:03 PM
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What fact is this? Who do you know blames everything on racism? Or is that your perception? Name one person and a list of issues that they've blamed on racism. One.
I was a Corrections Officer in a large county for almost two years. We have a large Mexican/hispanic population, and they were the majority of repeat offenders. Excluding the minimum security offenders, I heard on a daily basis how the offenders were only in jail "because they were brown". We do not have a large black community (I don't use the term "African-American" because it is a misnomer), but every single black prisoner that came through my jail blamed most of their woes in life on racism. Every one.
If you are honest enough to face reality, I suggest watching A Conversation About Race, and also listening to the revealing interview conducted by Mike Rosen with the documentary's creator found HERE.
The bottom line is that the majority of racism that exists in the US today exists (at a rate approaching exclusivity) in the black and hispanic communities.
But how do you know this on a large scale? I understand we all have our own experiences, but this is not always representative of the whole. Just because all the black/hispanic criminals you had to deal with were that way, doesn't mean all the blacks and hispanics are the same way. Some people actually experience racism and don't play the "race" card when race had nothing to do with anything.
I see many in law enforcement around the forums saying that since all the people they dealt with made excuses based on race/racism, that's how it all must be (everyone sees racism, when it's not there). <shurgs> Maybe I'm the only one who's bothered by that blanket. Racism still exists-- whether we want to believe it or not.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 8:16:40 PM
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Solo, I appreciate what you are saying. I will try to refrain from making universal statements like "all" and "every". However, this doesn't mean that it isn't "most". You have had several people on this board alone, all from very different areas of the US, giving examples of the way many of their black or brown acquaintances see everything through the lens of racism.
Go check out the links I provided. You will get a greater sense of what we are getting at.
The truth of our assertions can also be seen when people like Justice Thomas, Condee Rice, Michael Steele, Gen. Powell, Bill Cosby, or many other successful black Americans are accused of being "white" or "not black enough" by their people of their own color. Hannity confronted Al Sharpton about this recently, and Sharpton just accused the blacks he comes down on as not being good for his agenda.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 8:34:00 PM
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Solo, I know you are still young as you have spoken about still being in or just being out of school. Experience is something you get with age. The college professors tried to take the experience factor out of the social issues we studied. As a professional in the system, I try to treat everyone the same no matter who they are. As I indicated earlier. I have developed some good relationships with many people of may ethnic backgrounds. I have had some of those same people tell the judge, directly to his face, that the only reason I brought them before the court was because I'm racist.
Then, I hear all this talk of racial reconciliation. But, I also hear terms and conditions on how I (as a white person) and supposed to reconcile. Sorry, I've never done anything more than be a friend to every skin color I've met. I hear the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and I see that there are some who truly don't want to see an end to racism because that would mean a lcak of power for them.
Now I hear Obama making statements such as "I don't look like those other presidents on the dollar bills." Is he talking about his ears? I also hear talk of some voters saying they think they should vote for Obama to appease their white guilt. Guilt for what? Something that happened well before our great-grandparents time? When are we going to move on? And then, I'll get attacked for saying we need to move on. If someone won't let go of the fight, the struggle will never end.
Just experience talking here. One of the benefits of getting old.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 8:59:34 PM
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At least two posters have said they know people who blame their problems on racism mistakenly. I know people like this too. I have had to fire quite a few employees, mostly were some form of minority.
It didn't matter how many times they missed work because they were arrested or showed up stoned or did poor work. I was to blame solely because I am white.
I would quantify that not every person I fired was a minority, its just most of the peopel I work with are.
As far as racist places, yes they do exist. No question.
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We had 8 years of Clinton, and Bush barely won in 2000
Clinton was a master manipulator who was in fact liberal but wished to be liked so much he dependend on public opinion to "lead". Hence his popularity..and continuing influence on the political landscape today. Clinton took moderatism to its extreme and was very successful doing it.
He was the best liar the presidency has ever seen.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 9:32:49 PM
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You are assuming that Obama will lose, correct? Don't be too quick to call it. The bigger question what will AmeriKKKa cry when Obama is elected?
When is the last time the KKK (which do not exist everywhere in the U.S.) had riots ala Rodney King/South Central LA?
Please view my earlier post. The KKK are alive and active in a neighboring borough here in PA.
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RE: When Obama loses, who will cry racism first? - 9/18/2008 9:37:41 PM
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You are assuming that Obama will lose, correct? Don't be too quick to call it. The bigger question what will AmeriKKKa cry when Obama is elected?
When is the last time the KKK (which do not exist everywhere in the U.S.) had riots ala Rodney King/South Central LA?
Please view my earlier post. The KKK are alive and active in a neighboring borough here in PA.
One of my ex's brothers was in the KKK. He didn't like me (I'm black/Irish/Cherokee)... but I attempted to stay away from him anyway. He seemed wimpish without the rest of them.
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