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The liberal mantra...repeat it enough and people will begin to believe it....and believe me, there are many people out there who would love to have Obama lose so they can go on making a living crying about racism.

and, those VERY SAME people, who make their living out of "creating" this 'victim class'....

and, who would TOTALLY disregard....and, actually campaign AGAINST a BLACK conservative when he/she runs for office.

it's hypocrisy at it's worst!

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ever wonder where alll that "racism" was when OJ walked away free?

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Racism still exists. And whether you want to believe it or not, there are plenty of reasons why one would think racism was involved in Obama lost. Bust judging from the insensitivity of this post, their belief would be well justified.

I imagine if I were black and had experienced racism I would understand this person's reply.

Having been the black sheep of the family though, I can empathize with this reply and only one that has been there can understand the hurt involved.

CherishedbyGod,
Thank you.

Way back when I made my post I asked how Obama's loss could be seen as racist. You seem to be the only one who has endeavored to answer that question. in any form. However, I still fail to see the connection.

How can one's experience with racism be the sole justification for voting for someone, who is said to represenitive of a minority group? What about the other issues and concerns that face all of us regardless of our race? Issues and concerns that should and do tend to unite us. Issues and concerns that do not tend to be solely about race.

National security
taxes
personal and corporate accountability
etc.

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Forget about crying racism. If Obama loses there will be massive inner-city riots, looting, murders, shootings, etc..

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I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the meltdown.

Not in peace.. not if you live in a big city.

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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky

Racism still exists. And whether you want to believe it or not, there are plenty of reasons why one would think racism was involved in Obama lost. Bust judging from the insensitivity of this post, their belief would be well justified.

Far more whites will vote for Obama than blacks will vote for McCain...

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Racism still exists. And whether you want to believe it or not, there are plenty of reasons why one would think racism was involved in Obama lost. Bust judging from the insensitivity of this post, their belief would be well justified.

How is it insensitive to point out the fact that there are some who blame everything on racism? Is it not the truth?

I would think the insensitivity comes in when the racism is first accused, not when the accuser is named.

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Are you making assumptions about an entire race? Or just one person? You've made a general assumption that people vote based on race. Give people more credit please. I'm African American and I voted for Bush twice. And was considering Huckabee until he LOST. I hadn't even heard of Obama and refused to vet him on color instead of issues. Trust me, I live in the D.C. area. African American politicians can screw things up just as much as White ones. I am voting on issues. Not color.

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Give people more credit please. I'm African American and I voted for Bush twice. And was considering Huckabee until he LOST.

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Forget about crying racism. If Obama loses there will be massive inner-city riots, looting, murders, shootings, etc..

Statements like these helps to prove the point that ignorance, which breeds racism, still exists. Have you polled African Americans and asked them if Obama looses will they participate in or incite riots? Do you not give the African American population credit for having a sense of decency? Why would we riot, loot, murder, and shoot? Jesse Jackson ran and there were no riots. Where do you get your assumption?

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I find it unfortunate that many people rail against Jackson, Sharpton, and others, saying that those persons are opportunists who use racial tensions to promote themselves.

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I don't know how the nation would react the day after the election. But I'm not preparing for looting, riots, and whatnot.

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As rhippie said back on the first page of this thread, charges of racism are already being made:

Democrats call Ohio voters racist

And before anyone points it out, yes the link to is to the Ohio GOP's site. However the links are provided to the newspaper articles with the quotes in question. You could argue they're reaching on a couple of them, but it's hard to confuse the meaning here:

“Race — that’s the only reason people in the Valley won’t vote for him,” said state Rep. Thomas Letson of Warren, D-64th, about Barack Obama, his party’s presidential nominee. “There are 1,000 reasons to vote for Obama and one reason why you won’t — race.”

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It is the independents, the “swing voters” and Democrats who are or will support Republican John McCain who are the “racists,” Letson and state Rep. Robert F. Hagan of Youngstown, D-60th, said.

-Robb

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When Obama loses, who will cry racism first?

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There will be so many crying racism that it will be hard to tell.

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There will be so many crying racism that it will be hard to tell.

Greetings,

Crying racism really has no bearing should Obama lose; it having its day before the elections…for example:

lets just say that....that spirit for now is in the outer court at the moment.... and has no absolutely no bearing on the issues; NOW….other than Obama is just the first black man to run for president there are those who will vote on that alone; so the issues really do not count.


So while Obama is busy setting up the race tickets in those who are politically correct, he stumbled at the women’s rights ticket, and that was by not bringing in the obvious choice which would have been Hillary Clinton as VP,
That alone should speak a multitude to women.

Now there is a principal Jesus wants us to pay attention to, and in the Gospel he showed us a way of the Father that says there is nothing hidden that will not come to light…

Now watch this hidden reflection come to light…

You see...the Bible says that we should raise our children up in the way in which they should go, and if they depart… they will later return... to it
Now the key in this principal here is children, and how certain beliefs when imputed into our children when they are young will reflect later when they are older,
The key is not what causes then to return….the key to that principal is what they return to.

NOW…
Obama as a child was raised a Muslim, regardless of any of his phony -bologna conversion to Christianity, because the Biblical principal dictates that the seed was planted early as a Muslim.

…..And that is reflected in the way Obama squashed the obvious choice for VP in that of Hillary Clinton (a woman) and in that alone; it speaks more in multitude that Obama is going in the way he was raised as a “Child”, …which is “Muslim”!.



Now the McCain ticket is just revealing that fact…without having to say a word.




LG

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When Obama loses, who will cry racism first?

Well, let's see...................
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Katie Couric, Wolfe Blitzer.................
All in unison.

-Dave

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Racism still exists. And whether you want to believe it or not, there are plenty of reasons why one would think racism was involved in Obama lost. Bust judging from the insensitivity of this post, their belief would be well justified.

I imagine if I were black and had experienced racism I would understand this person's reply.

Having been the black sheep of the family though, I can empathize with this reply and only one that has been there can understand the hurt involved.

CherishedbyGod,
Thank you.

Way back when I made my post I asked how Obama's loss could be seen as racist. You seem to be the only one who has endeavored to answer that question. in any form. However, I still fail to see the connection.

How can one's experience with racism be the sole justification for voting for someone, who is said to represenitive of a minority group? What about the other issues and concerns that face all of us regardless of our race? Issues and concerns that should and do tend to unite us. Issues and concerns that do not tend to be solely about race.

National security
taxes
personal and corporate accountability
etc.

Are you making assumptions about an entire race? Or just one person? You've made a general assumption that people vote based on race. Give people more credit please. I'm African American and I voted for Bush twice. And was considering Huckabee until he LOST. I hadn't even heard of Obama and refused to vet him on color instead of issues. Trust me, I live in the D.C. area. African American politicians can screw things up just as much as White ones. I am voting on issues. Not color.

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I second your statement Adelphi_Sky.

I am also a black man, living in DC. I find it unfortunate that many people rail against Jackson, Sharpton, and others, saying that those persons are opportunists who use racial tensions to promote themselves. At the same time, though, they (apparently) consider "inner city" folks (which, in the context of this thread, is a euphemism for Black people) so base and unruly that they are preparing for mass "riots, looting, murders, shooting". I think such statements can, unfortunately, feed into negative stereotypes about black people.

I generally don't assume the worst, specifically from Christian brothers and sisters. Generally, I think it could be said, however, that some (even Christian) non-black folks have a view of "most" black folks that has been informed, in large part, by what they see in the media (in TV, in the news, on movies), by their knowledge of "black" forms of music (R&B, hiphop, rap), and by their knowledge of black celebrities. The apparent assumption here is that, being a black man living in DC, I'd better get ready to stay indoors on election night and a couple days thereafter, so as to avoid being hit by bullets that will be certainly be flying, here in a city that is majority black. (Maybe I should put in now for vacation time at work?)

It is quite possible that, despite the fact that race riots have occurred in our history as a nation, we (as black people) can see a black man lose the election without becoming the uncivilized barbarians that some (apparently) believe we can become.

Of course, I know, this is not what is meant. I'm certain that all posters to this forum are well-acquainted with genuine God-fearing black people, who, besides skin color, are no different than they are. ("I have a good friend who is black, and he ALWAYS validates what I say about race relations in America!" etc.) But it bears repeating that some of us aren't too fond (to say the least) of such assumptions (of riots and looting and whatnot).

And having said all of this, the historic nature of this election is inestimable. It would be the first time a black man lost a presidential election. Whether you vote for him or not, Obama's presidential campaign is historic. It means a lot to black folks, especially many who marched with King (which was in my parents' and grandparents' lifetime) during the struggle for civil rights.

I don't know how the nation would react the day after the election. But I'm not preparing for looting, riots, and whatnot.

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Forget about crying racism. If Obama loses there will be massive inner-city riots, looting, murders, shootings, etc..

Statements like these helps to prove the point that ignorance, which breeds racism, still exists. Have you polled African Americans and asked them if Obama looses will they participate in or incite riots? Do you not give the African American population credit for having a sense of decency? Why would we riot, loot, murder, and shoot? Jesse Jackson ran and there were no riots. Where do you get your assumption?

It is quite possible that, despite the fact that race riots have occurred in our history as a nation, we (as black people) can see a black man lose the election without becoming the uncivilized barbarians that some (apparently) believe we can become.

Of course, I know, this is not what is meant. I'm certain that all posters to this forum are well-acquainted with genuine God-fearing black people, who, besides skin color, are no different than they are. ("I have a good friend who is black, and he ALWAYS validates what I say about race relations in America!" etc.) But it bears repeating that some of us aren't too fond (to say the least) of such assumptions (of riots and looting and whatnot).

And having said all of this, the historic nature of this election is inestimable. It would be the first time a black man lost a presidential election. Whether you vote for him or not, Obama's presidential campaign is historic. It means a lot to black folks, especially many who marched with King (which was in my parents' and grandparents' lifetime) during the struggle for civil rights.

I don't know how the nation would react the day after the election. But I'm not preparing for looting, riots, and whatnot.

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Don't get me wrong, farmers can riot too , but the last time I think that happened was when some laboratory scientist created a monster, we all gathered up torches and pitch forks and remedied of that situation!

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There are 1,000 reasons to vote for Obama and one reason why you won’t — race.”

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Racism still exists. And whether you want to believe it or not, there are plenty of reasons why one would think racism was involved in Obama lost. Bust judging from the insensitivity of this post, their belief would be well justified.

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Forget about crying racism. If Obama loses there will be massive inner-city riots, looting, murders, shootings, etc..