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New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 8:32:08 AM
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lightshineon
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When has there ever been a poll that has cared who the world wants for president? I find this a tad disturbing, ok flat out scary. Your thoughts on this?
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 8:38:45 AM
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When has there ever been a poll that has cared who the world wants for president?
According to the story, the poll was also run in 2004.
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I find this a tad disturbing, ok flat out scary. Your thoughts on this?
Why is it scary? Foreign policy is an important part of a president's job and being the largest economic and military power on the planet, what we do has ramifications for a lot of people. So while Canada's next choice for PM might not matter all that much to us, our next choice for president can certainly matter to them.
If you want to talk about scary, what do you think about deposing foreign leaders and installing others who are more favorable to you? We've done that. Nobody else has done that to us.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 8:51:11 AM
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FP has nothing to do with it. I think it is disturbing on many levels, and not all spiritual in nature, some, but not all. Who wants a president that has mixed allegiances,
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When has there ever been a poll that has cared who the world wants for president?
According to the story, the poll was also run in 2004.
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I find this a tad disturbing, ok flat out scary. Your thoughts on this?
Why is it scary? Foreign policy is an important part of a president's job and being the largest economic and military power on the planet, what we do has ramifications for a lot of people. So while Canada's next choice for PM might not matter all that much to us, our next choice for president can certainly matter to them.
If you want to talk about scary, what do you think about deposing foreign leaders and installing others who are more favorable to you? We've done that. Nobody else has done that to us.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 8:57:30 AM
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FP has nothing to do with it.
How can you say that our foreign policy has nothing to do with it? Our actions can affect everybody else on earth.
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2004? I heard it on CNN this morning.
You asked "when has there ever been a poll that has cared who the world wants for president?" I answered that question. According to the story on cnn this morning (which I also saw), this poll was also conducted in 2004. The answer to your question is '2004'.
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Who wants a president that has mixed allegiances,
It's not about mixed allegiances. It's about being cooperative with other nations and being conscious of the affects that our decisions will have on others. Ignoring and/or disregarding these consequences is, at best, unwise. In many cases it can be greedy, selfish, immoral, and illegal.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 9:08:05 AM
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While on one hand it certinly doesn't matter in the slightest which candidate other nations might want to win the Presidency, it certainly doesn't hurt if the guy they like is also the one Americans choose.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 9:35:16 AM
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The rest of the world that are our economic equivalent are far more secular and far more socialist than we are. So, not terribly surprising really.
Not to mention that much of Egypt, Lebanon, Indonesia, and UAE really don't like us. And countries like China and India want to compete economically with us better. So, um... why don't we just ask Al Qaeda who they want for President? I'm sure they'll give us an unbiased, what's-best-for-the-US opinion. *eyeroll*
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 9:37:01 AM
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Well
ANYONE would be better than the current...BRING it on strategy.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 9:40:16 AM
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If you want to talk about scary, what do you think about deposing foreign leaders and installing others who are more favorable to you? We've done that. Nobody else has done that to us.
I suppose we could try the Jimmy Carter strategy and ignore foreign leaders favorable to us, and allow leaders who hate us to be installed. Seems to have worked out reallly well in Iran.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 9:43:04 AM
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Zhi
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ANYONE would be better than the current...BRING it on strategy.
Stalin? Hitler? Let's be reasonable here.
I guess as long as they aren't paying for it with my tax dollars, they can poll whatever they want.
< Message edited by Zhi -- 9/15/2008 9:53:52 AM >
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 9:45:16 AM
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Well, I say then it is good that the world outside the U.S. does not get to decide who our next president will be.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 9:54:22 AM
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Well, I say then it is good that the world outside the U.S. does not get to decide who our next president will be.
Amen.
Why would any sane person not look at this poll and RUN to the McCain camp. It should frighten anyone that the rest of the world overwhelmingly supports a particular candidate.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 10:08:18 AM
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If you want to talk about scary, what do you think about deposing foreign leaders and installing others who are more favorable to you? We've done that. Nobody else has done that to us.
I suppose we could try the Jimmy Carter strategy and ignore foreign leaders favorable to us, and allow leaders who hate us to be installed.
Did I say that? No.
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Seems to have worked out reallly well in Iran.
Right, because we had no involvement in Iran prior to that, did we? Operation Ajax didn't depose a popular, elected official and replace him with an unpopular pro-America Shah. I can't imagine why the Iranians would have had a beef with us. Carter may not have handled it well, but he didn't start it.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 10:18:26 AM
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The world wants Obama; they can have him, as it is becoming increasingly clear that the USA does not.
Maybe he can move to Kenya.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 10:22:12 AM
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I'll have to find the link, but a significant percentage of Europeans recently polled indicated that they would like to see the US weakened as a world power.
Perhaps they are so crazy about Obama because they can visualize that finally happening under his administration....
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 10:28:25 AM
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Did I say that? No.
You didn't offer many options.
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Right, because we had no involvement in Iran prior to that, did we? Operation Ajax didn't depose a popular, elected official and replace him with an unpopular pro-America Shah. I can't imagine why the Iranians would have had a beef with us. Carter may not have handled it well, but he didn't start it.
Not only did Carter 'not handle it well' he spectacularly flubbed it, and the crisis we are facing in that region is in large part traceable directly to his failure to recognize a valuable ally.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 10:30:37 AM
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Why would any sane person not look at this poll and RUN to the McCain camp. It should frighten anyone that the rest of the world overwhelmingly supports a particular candidate.
I suppose if a person is frightened of the rest of the world than that would be a reasonable reaction.
Otherwise, I don't see what's frightening at all. The rest of the world isn't our enemy. I think a great deal of strife could be avoided if people started working together, to resolve differences rather than to exacerbate them. Flatly voting against the rest of the world seems counterproductive to this.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 10:40:03 AM
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I'll have to find the link, but a significant percentage of Europeans recently polled indicated that they would like to see the US weakened as a world power.
Perhaps they are so crazy about Obama because they can visualize that finally happening under his administration....
Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding! You nailed it.
Think how illinformed most Americans are though and how ignorantly they buy into what the media throws around. Think how much moreso the average joe or jaques must be in foreign countries. Most of them probably only see BBC or CNN or Al-Jazira to boot!
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 10:45:25 AM
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Not only did Carter 'not handle it well' he spectacularly flubbed it, and the crisis we are facing in that region is in large part traceable directly to his failure to recognize a valuable ally.
An ally with a poor human rights record.
What would have happened if we'd never installed the Shah in the first place?
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Most of them probably only see BBC or CNN or Al-Jazira to boot!
Most Americans would be better off watching the BBC than our own domestic news agencies.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 10:50:47 AM
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An ally with a poor human rights record.
Compared to what? The current human rights loving regime? At least we had some influence over the Shah.
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What would have happened if we'd never installed the Shah in the first place?
Who knows? That isn't the choice Carter was faced with.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 11:00:47 AM
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An ally with a poor human rights record.
Compared to what? The current human rights loving regime? At least we had some influence over the Shah.
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What would have happened if we'd never installed the Shah in the first place?
Who knows? That isn't the choice Carter was faced with.
But that was the choice that Truman and Eisenhower were faced with. Truman said no. Eisenhower said yes.
Anyways, my point is not that Carter did a great (or even good) job. For the purpose of this discussion, I don't really care about Carter all that much.
I was addressing the comment made by the OP that this level of concern on the part of foreigners is "scary." I was trying to point out that in the past, we've done much more than just be concerned with who runs other countries - we've gone in and meddled and sometimes caused a lot of harm. If you (not you, the collective 'you') think that foreign interest in our election is scary, what do you think of our habit of deposing leaders who don't like us and supporting others who do even though they may treat their own citizens terribly?
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 11:02:57 AM
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Most Americans would be better off watching the BBC than our own domestic news agencies.
You prefer foreign propaganda to the variety that's locally grown? The BBC is hysterically agenda-driven. I'd rather get my information from MSNBC, and that's saying something.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 11:09:01 AM
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I do watch and read the BBC (channel 12.002 here). I also listen to NPR (97.1, it's a stored setting in my car) for that matter. Naturally these are not my only news sources. And, like ALL news sources, they're biased.
I really don't understand why people can't seem to comprehend that people in other countries really don't particularly want what's best for the US.
Just as my opinions on a new leader for, say, Saudi Arabia, would be biased towards how it would affect me, here, in the US, the opinion of someone in Europe is going to be biased towards how the leader will affect Europe. This sort of self-interest is entirely understandable, and mostly means that I should try to understand the motivation behind the person who has the opinion (which is pretty true of anyone giving an opinion). People in Mexico are going to want a President who is soft on immigration. People in Europe are going to be pro-socialist, because they live in socialist countries, and they also tend to be in favor of a weaker US (not because they hate us, necessarily, but because the more power we have, the less they have, by necessity.) People in the Middle East tend to not like us in general, due to our foreign policies and belief system. These are entirely understandable positions, but I, as a citizen of the US, and someone who wants *this country* to thrive because I LIVE here, have to consider the fact that their position is not really compatible with mine, in a lot of ways.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 11:11:39 AM
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When has there ever been a poll that has cared who the world wants for president? I find this a tad disturbing, ok flat out scary. Your thoughts on this?
Yes I have thoughts about that..sure I do agree that is none of anyones business of whom sovereign nations elect for Presidents in trully democratic manners at the same time people outside countries do have oppinions as humans are thinking beings etc
Now reggarding the USA, I do see very much natural particularly after the present administration ways as disregarding what the world thinks as not taking serious UN resolutions regarding ilegality of invading countries etc what is convenient approach. One thing is a country national security other thing is go around the world doing what a nation pleases and find fit, and have NO consequences for their actions etc this amazes the "world" I supose. Sure I find natural and commomsense what the world would wish in a President of USA. The big picture is the USA is all over the world one way or another and to some or many have Imperialistic approach through out history different nations did have this same position, of course.
Well, the USA is the world Superpower, the only Superpower at the moment, I think. Now, does not make any sense US people to be scared of the world but the other way around. USA is not the Salvation Army or the Army of God doing good all over and etc it is not, it is human and do bad also., of course. The spiritual battle going on is evil one and the good is from God alone, He is the one who plays the cards and all things will go the way He did planned since the foundation of the world. I am frst of all a citzen of heaven and my king is Christ, I fear Him alone and take sides with Him, of course I am not dumb, as everything is going to pass "soon" and every knee will bown to Lord Jesus. Amem!
To me the big picture and reality of the facts just about military bases and posts is that I took from wikipedia (if somebody have a better site with a map I would appreciate to share it with me) :
"As of December 2007, U.S. Forces were stationed at more than 820 installations in at least 39 countries.[8] Some of the largest contingents are:
Iraq 196,600
Germany 57,155
Japan (United States Forces Japan) 33,164
South Korea (United States Forces Korea) 26,076
Afghanistan 25,700
Italy 9,701
United Kingdom 9,655 "
And only God knows how many vessels and submarines and secret stuff goes on and etc Plus the other stuff USA have their interest going on as financial stull and dealings and $$$ investiments and etc Have no ideia of those..the USA is the most powerful Nation in the world..now of course people are looking forward to a President who will know how to administer all this power outside USA. If they did not care at all than it would be not normal, because the actions of this country do affect the life of others outside here.
Am I crazy thinking the USA can give impression to outsiders, of being Imperialistic, dominant, trying to impose its ideals as even bring democracy to cultures that cannot function just the way US feels fit it should? Somethings have to grow from inside out not outside in. 
Well, to me the USA play out a lot of stuff and it can get very confusing and conflictant also, particularly for those dealing with USA outside home. As a missionary abroad I sure would not want to feel embarassed but of course I will as no country is perfect, of course. God is.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 11:21:34 AM
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But that was the choice that Truman and Eisenhower were faced with. Truman said no. Eisenhower said yes.
Anyways, my point is not that Carter did a great (or even good) job. For the purpose of this discussion, I don't really care about Carter all that much.
I was addressing the comment made by the OP that this level of concern on the part of foreigners is "scary." I was trying to point out that in the past, we've done much more than just be concerned with who runs other countries - we've gone in and meddled and sometimes caused a lot of harm. If you (not you, the collective 'you') think that foreign interest in our election is scary, what do you think of our habit of deposing leaders who don't like us and supporting others who do even though they may treat their own citizens terribly?
First off what I really question is your logic - you obviously think our past involment is 'scary', and so that fact doesn't make others involvement in our elections 'not scary' - in fact, for the sake of logic, you should be concerned about both.
And if one's viewpoint is self-interested, as countries policies are by neccesity, then attempts by outsiders to dictate internal politics are always unwelcome - though not wholly unwarranted (though generally one would hope one's allies aren't doing this). Obviously war is the ultimate means by which countries dictate the course of anothers politics, and there are often good reasons to go to war. In fact a good case might be made that an aided coup is better than a war, as far fewer people die.
But I think in terms our past involvement with other countries internal politics, context is important - much of that involvement you speak about occurred in the course of a cold war where the Soviets were already actively involved in either overthrowing or strongly influencing the course of other countries - and it would have been negligent for our government to do nothing to address this.
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RE: New Poll on CNN, the World wants Obama. - 9/15/2008 11:42:17 AM
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I think the people and governments of other nations are perfectly entitled to their opinion. What I object to is the implicit message from a news organization that since the rest of the world prefers one candidate, that's who you should vote for. And I find it hard to believe there is any other purpose for such a poll.
As I recall, the 2004 poll results were directly referenced by the Kerry campaign as a reason to vote for him. (If my recollection is faulty, I humbly accept correction.) If I am not misremembering, that makes the motive behind the poll all the more transparent.
(Although given how well it worked then, one wonders why they would try the same thing again.)
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