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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/3/2008 1:31:27 PM
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zamdad
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Tracy, you live among the poor in Minnesota. My guess would be that you are in the Twin Cities. You have grocery stores and other businesses where, no matter how poor, you can het the things you need for basic survival. If there are no roads to these villages in Alaska, how are they going to get groceries there? Groceries have to be flown in, taken by boat in the summer or hauled in by snowmachine in the winter. If good are taken in by boat or snowmachine, it's going to be a several day trip to some locations.
You have no way to relate to them, especially from behind your coputer screen. All your pontification is meaningless talk. what you post is nothing more than words, words that could be used for encouraging others, building others up. Instead the words are doing nothing, just like you.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/3/2008 1:44:31 PM
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Tracy, you live among the poor in Minnesota. My guess would be that you are in the Twin Cities. You have grocery stores and other businesses where, no matter how poor, you can het the things you need for basic survival. If there are no roads to these villages in Alaska, how are they going to get groceries there? Groceries have to be flown in, taken by boat in the summer or hauled in by snowmachine in the winter. If good are taken in by boat or snowmachine, it's going to be a several day trip to some locations.
You have no way to relate to them, especially from behind your coputer screen. All your pontification is meaningless talk. what you post is nothing more than words, words that could be used for encouraging others, building others up. Instead the words are doing nothing, just like you.
They fly those groceries into the oil rigs. And no there are no STORES within even walking distance. And they closed almost all the elementary schools where I live. If people don';t have $, grocery stores are what?
The words are doing something, you respond to each and every post almost. And living in a poor neighborhood, I can also say BRB and go outside and help someone and get right back to you. 
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/3/2008 1:58:59 PM
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Tracy, when you go to the grocery store, do you buy cocoa puffs?
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/3/2008 4:20:57 PM
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zamdad
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They fly those groceries into the oil rigs.
Tracy, your ignorance combined with your desire to be heard is beyonf pale. Oil companies have to feed employees. Oil companies employ many Alaska natives.
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If people don';t have $, grocery stores are what?
This completely misses the point that there aree no grocery stores in many Alaska villages. And, if people here in MN don't have money to get groceries, they go to their county social services office and get their EBT card to buy food.
I get the impression that you want everyone to live up to your expectations of how they should live. I think this is something that the majority of people are guilty of. When I look at some of the comments made about Palin and Alaska, the only thing I can see as the genesis for their anger/hatred/dislike is that their expectations have not been met. This is usually the source of anger. Just like I cannot understand what it's like to be black, you cannot understand Alaskan issues if you haven't lived there.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/3/2008 4:49:38 PM
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Tracy, your ignorance combined with your desire to be heard is beyonf pale. Oil companies have to feed employees. Oil companies employ many Alaska natives.
And a govenor should make sure all the people are fed. Period. She does not do a good job.
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This completely misses the point that there aree no grocery stores in many Alaska villages. And, if people here in MN don't have money to get groceries, they go to their county social services office and get their EBT card to buy food.
S there are no grocery stores, but she sues them over the food sources they have. Fish and Gaming?
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Just like I cannot understand what it's like to be black, you cannot understand Alaskan issues if you haven't lived there.
I understand what it is like to poor! As Marchapito123 pointed out, you don't even know the HISTORY of your beloved Alaska, so how can you possible understand any problems it has?
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/3/2008 8:49:58 PM
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There's also no way to put a sewer system in many villages. You'll find that many of them still use honey buckets for human waste. Ever try to put a septic system in frozen tundra?
(Tundra. That's frozen solid ground, not a Toyota truck.)
Don't bother to bring logic to the table... Btw... Has anyone asked the people in question if they want change? Or is this another case of someone from far away knowing what's best but not really having a clue to how things are... I have met people in places in what looked to be down and out... They live a life that from a certain perspective might look less than, though you spend some time with them you realize they have it just the way they want it... I have left some of the places envious of the way things are even though there isn't high speed cable there...
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/3/2008 8:56:51 PM
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And a govenor should make sure all the people are fed. Period. She does not do a good job.
The job of a governor is to feed the people of the state?
Actually given your position regarding the poor and who is to feed them you should be up there before the governor is... Why are you demanding that the state do what you should be doing?
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/3/2008 10:34:49 PM
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zamdad
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I understand what it is like to poor! As Marchapito123 pointed out, you don't even know the HISTORY of your beloved Alaska, so how can you possible understand any problems it has?
As I said before, I'm not a historian. However, I lived up there for 18 years. I have been to many of these villages. I have served alongside the men and women from the villages that serve in the National Guard.
I have to agree with John. You are not poor. Not as poor as the poorest in the world. You can type your inflammatory opinions on the computer and send them out over the internet. You can read, you have food. You probably even have running water, someone to take your garbage from your home, a telephone. I know you have TV because so much of your opinion is based on what you absorb from the TV.
I also agree with JOhn that it's not the governors or the governments job to feed the people. That's what you seem to want. You seem to want the government to meet every need, even the desires thought of as needs. Your definetly not a liberal. You are, Tracy, a socialist. You seem to want to turn this country into the United Socialist States of America. You and Barack, he should kick ole Joe off the ticket so you could go toe to toe with Sarah.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/4/2008 6:36:21 AM
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The job of a governor is to feed the people of the state?
Actually given your position regarding the poor and who is to feed them you should be up there before the governor is... Why are you demanding that the state do what you should be doing?
Looks like any money I send to the Natives in Alaska will beat Sarah's check! LOL.
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People who can send money from their "accounts" to the poor via a computer don't live in poor neighborhoods...
I live in a very poor neighborhood, one of the poorest in Mn. Period. We often get writeups about us. You gotta a fax, I'll send my address and then you can goggle it and see that I live in a poor neighborhood. My'hood was on CNN last year.
Many people have accounts set up with sites. You can donate money right here in the forum. I also have auto bill pay. Why is this so hard for people to get on a pc?
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As I said before, I'm not a historian. However, I lived up there for 18 years. I have been to many of these villages. I have served alongside the men and women from the villages that serve in the National Guard.
I have to agree with John. You are not poor. Not as poor as the poorest in the world. You can type your inflammatory opinions on the computer and send them out over the internet. You can read, you have food. You probably even have running water, someone to take your garbage from your home, a telephone. I know you have TV because so much of your opinion is based on what you absorb from the TV.
No where I have ever said that I am poor any longer. By any ones standards. I worked all my life, saved my money, spent wisely, and didnt let the greedy lenders talk me into a refiance. They tried very hard.
But you dont have to be poor, to help the poor. What kinda of logic is that? Only the poor should help the poor. Also goggle Alaska, bet you can learn something about it.
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I also agree with JOhn that it's not the governors or the governments job to feed the people. That's what you seem to want. You seem to want the government to meet every need, even the desires thought of as needs. Your definetly not a liberal. You are, Tracy, a socialist. You seem to want to turn this country into the United Socialist States of America. You and Barack, he should kick ole Joe off the ticket so you could go toe to toe with Sarah.
That 840 billion dollar check turned us in socialists.
I want the Gov't, you, me and the Church to help the poor. Apparently I'm the only one doing it? The gov't could be good in helping people get fair wages like the Bible says. I don't think many people want a handup or out. Lots of ways to go at this without a handout. I could do it without welfare.
And no Bo would not want me on his ticket. He would'nt fare well either under my plan.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/4/2008 2:29:59 PM
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Looks like any money I send to the Natives in Alaska will beat Sarah's check! LOL.
I would bet she's done more than you have for the poor...
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I live in a very poor neighborhood, one of the poorest in Mn. Period. We often get writeups about us. You gotta a fax, I'll send my address and then you can goggle it and see that I live in a poor neighborhood. My'hood was on CNN last year.
You need to travel some... Your much the same as you say about Palin... You haven't seen much if you speak of being poor and having "accounts" and able to send money to the poor from your computer...
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Many people have accounts set up with sites. You can donate money right here in the forum. I also have auto bill pay. Why is this so hard for people to get on a pc?
Because real poor people are so poor they don't have bills....
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I want the Gov't, you, me and the Church to help the poor.
Wrong order...
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The gov't could be good in helping people get fair wages like the Bible says.
What's a fair wage according to the bible?
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I don't think many people want a handup or out.
Human nature says otherwise...
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 10/4/2008 4:54:50 PM
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zamdad
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I live in a very poor neighborhood, one of the poorest in Mn. Period. We often get writeups about us. You gotta a fax, I'll send my address and then you can goggle it and see that I live in a poor neighborhood. My'hood was on CNN last year.
Oh, so you live in a famous poor neighborhood. Things is, you live in the hood. There's no comparison in matching your hood to any of the poor places you see on your TV.
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Many people have accounts set up with sites. You can donate money right here in the forum. I also have auto bill pay. Why is this so hard for people to get on a pc?
Because it implies that you don't like to get your hands dirty. You'd rather sit at your PC, make yourself feel better about doing something for the poor and donatiing your money. This, combined with the fact that you've conveyed that you get most of your information from the TV, the message received is that you want the rest of us to give to the poor like you do. You seem to want us to become socialists, to have the government serve every need of humanity. It becomes apparent that your worldview is shaped by the talking heads on the TV screen.
As John pointed out to you, you have your priorities of service out of order. You are the church. The corporate church needs to be helping those less fortunate. The government is to provide for defense, infrastructure, public safety, and some basic services. Ever since the government got involved in social services, they've made a mess of things.
Fair wages are not the job of the government either. MInimum wage jobs are supposed to be for high school kids, not for people to raise a family on. When people drop out of school and fail to pursue further education or on the job training, they are settling for minimum wage. It's not the job of the government to bail them out of their poor decisions.
One last thing. Fairness. I keep hearing this word from you and Biden. Fairness can't be legislated. Fairness is a concept that doesn't truly exist. It's something we all want, but what's fair to one is unfair to another. Life is not fair. This is a fact we have to accept.
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