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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/17/2008 5:14:26 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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I'll second that.
Thank you for your posts Pale Hawk Woman. I probably don't agree with you on everything, or maybe much at all, but I appreciate your posts, and believe the Indigenous Nations' interests and opinions are important.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/17/2008 5:45:08 PM
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First of all, the term"eskimo" is a racial slur meaning "dog eater". Please do not use it or I will have to report it to the moderator. The proper term is Inuit. Not all Native Alaskans are Inuit. There are also Tlingits, Kwakiutl, Salish, and about 30 other groups.There are a total of 262 Native nations in Alaska.
it doesn't appear that "eskimo" is considered a slur to everyone.
http://www.uaf.edu/anlc/inuitoreskimo.html
I don't see the point in posting this. The woman said there were 262 Native nations in Alaska. If ONE of those nations take offense to the term "eskimo", then it's offensive. 
PHW herself used the term Indian frequently, which some narrow minded people find offensive. Why don't you tell her to stop?
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/17/2008 5:52:45 PM
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The future is bleak for people who hold on to tribalism.
Nobody is after your children except perhaps the people who want to help by killing them before they're born.
Whatever abuses happened to tribal people did NOT happen with the "full participation of the church." Christ's church is the world wide body of believers. I'll guess that less than 1% even knew about whatever abuses took place. Wonder what Jesus would say about your eager slandering of His bride?
How is tribalism bad? Jews are tribaland it has helped them hang onthru millenia of genocide. Celts- the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons- are also tribal(what do you think the clans are?) and have kept their ethnic and tribal identities despite centuries of persecution and attempts at forced assimilation by the Romans, Saxons, Vikings, and English. Would you say they have a bleak future?...
Your animosity toward white people and to Christ's church is well documented.
You're way too eager to slam people. First you say that your itemized abuses took place with the "full participation of the church," which is impossible. Then you say there are people who think "Indian culture is all evil." Who says that? I suspect nobody.
What do you mean by abuses taking place with the "full participation of the church" is impossible. Are you speaking of the great Church as in all Christians? We all know that there were many Christian churches and even church organizations that instituted grand atrocities in this country as well as others.
You could have read it yourself. From my earlier post:
Whatever abuses happened to tribal people did NOT happen with the "full participation of the church." Christ's church is the world wide body of believers. I'll guess that less than 1% even knew about whatever abuses took place. Wonder what Jesus would say about your eager slandering of His bride?
That atrocities took place with participation of some Christians does not mean that they took place with the "full participation of the church."
50 million unborn children have been slaughtered with the participation of some Christians (many here), yet that does not mean they have taken place with the "full participation of the church."
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/17/2008 6:07:27 PM
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We all know that there were many Christian churches and even church organizations that instituted grand atrocities in this country as well as others.
Please don't make things to be "we all know" as "common knowledge." It doesn't do well for your argument to suggest that certain things in history were well known, widespread and condoned when you know nothing of the sort.
Certainly atrocities happened. But in many of the accounts that I have heard about--they were addressed by the US government and many of the perpetrators were never caught.
Do you have documentation for the charges that Christian churches instituted grand atrocities?
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/18/2008 10:10:33 AM
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/18/2008 10:17:14 AM
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/19/2008 9:14:41 PM
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Thanks for the reponses and I apologize for not getting back here the past few days but our orchard is ready and I'm harvesting and canning from morn to night. Had a few minutes and took a look but will have to wait to respond when I have more time to think. rlj, thanks for the help and I will go back thru my emails and sources to post those links.
Fall gets busy as the last of the crops and the orchard comes in and the hayfield is ready to be raked and baled, too. Due to the drought it isn't as abundant as yearspastbut still plenty. The Creator provides!
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/19/2008 11:04:35 PM
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The future is bleak for people who hold on to tribalism.
Nobody is after your children except perhaps the people who want to help by killing them before they're born.
Whatever abuses happened to tribal people did NOT happen with the "full participation of the church." Christ's church is the world wide body of believers. I'll guess that less than 1% even knew about whatever abuses took place. Wonder what Jesus would say about your eager slandering of His bride?
How is tribalism bad? Jews are tribaland it has helped them hang onthru millenia of genocide. Celts- the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons- are also tribal(what do you think the clans are?) and have kept their ethnic and tribal identities despite centuries of persecution and attempts at forced assimilation by the Romans, Saxons, Vikings, and English. Would you say they have a bleak future?...
Your animosity toward white people and to Christ's church is well documented.
You're way too eager to slam people. First you say that your itemized abuses took place with the "full participation of the church," which is impossible. Then you say there are people who think "Indian culture is all evil." Who says that? I suspect nobody.
What do you mean by abuses taking place with the "full participation of the church" is impossible. Are you speaking of the great Church as in all Christians? We all know that there were many Christian churches and even church organizations that instituted grand atrocities in this country as well as others.
You could have read it yourself. From my earlier post:
Whatever abuses happened to tribal people did NOT happen with the "full participation of the church." Christ's church is the world wide body of believers. I'll guess that less than 1% even knew about whatever abuses took place. Wonder what Jesus would say about your eager slandering of His bride?
That atrocities took place with participation of some Christians does not mean that they took place with the "full participation of the church."
50 million unborn children have been slaughtered with the participation of some Christians (many here), yet that does not mean they have taken place with the "full participation of the church."
Why would you change the subject like this? The topic is plainly about Native Alaskan issues, and when the topic does not favor you, you switch, once again, to the topic of abortion. Why is this so? That is what I would like to know.
Peace and God bless,
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/20/2008 12:12:35 AM
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The future is bleak for people who hold on to tribalism.
Nobody is after your children except perhaps the people who want to help by killing them before they're born.
Whatever abuses happened to tribal people did NOT happen with the "full participation of the church." Christ's church is the world wide body of believers. I'll guess that less than 1% even knew about whatever abuses took place. Wonder what Jesus would say about your eager slandering of His bride?
How is tribalism bad? Jews are tribaland it has helped them hang onthru millenia of genocide. Celts- the Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons- are also tribal(what do you think the clans are?) and have kept their ethnic and tribal identities despite centuries of persecution and attempts at forced assimilation by the Romans, Saxons, Vikings, and English. Would you say they have a bleak future?...
Your animosity toward white people and to Christ's church is well documented.
You're way too eager to slam people. First you say that your itemized abuses took place with the "full participation of the church," which is impossible. Then you say there are people who think "Indian culture is all evil." Who says that? I suspect nobody.
What do you mean by abuses taking place with the "full participation of the church" is impossible. Are you speaking of the great Church as in all Christians? We all know that there were many Christian churches and even church organizations that instituted grand atrocities in this country as well as others.
You could have read it yourself. From my earlier post:
Whatever abuses happened to tribal people did NOT happen with the "full participation of the church." Christ's church is the world wide body of believers. I'll guess that less than 1% even knew about whatever abuses took place. Wonder what Jesus would say about your eager slandering of His bride?
That atrocities took place with participation of some Christians does not mean that they took place with the "full participation of the church."
50 million unborn children have been slaughtered with the participation of some Christians (many here), yet that does not mean they have taken place with the "full participation of the church."
Why would you change the subject like this? The topic is plainly about Native Alaskan issues, and when the topic does not favor you, you switch, once again, to the topic of abortion. Why is this so? That is what I would like to know.
Peace and God bless,
Peace and God bless,
I wouldn't like it either if I was trying to hide my guilt.
I wrote three short paragraphs, all three related to the topic. By the way, Democrats have long been demanding to open abortuaries on federal land where Indians live.
Planned Parenthood - 50 million scalps and still counting
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 10:44:37 AM
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I don't know much about native issues. However I have seen many articles slanted to a certain point of view.
To make this a valid debate, Palin's side should be represented. Possibly there are other reasons why she tried to have these laws passed other than...racism or greed.
I would bet on it.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 12:12:03 PM
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To make this a valid debate, Palin's side should be represented. Possibly there are other reasons why she tried to have these laws passed other than...racism or greed.
So it's not a valid debate becasue Palin is not here?
Since you are a Palin supporter, WHY don't you try to debate here reasons for why she did this.
It's hard to come up with any?
Except greed and racism!
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 1:24:57 PM
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We all know that there were many Christian churches and even church organizations that instituted grand atrocities in this country as well as others.
Please don't make things to be "we all know" as "common knowledge." It doesn't do well for your argument to suggest that certain things in history were well known, widespread and condoned when you know nothing of the sort.
Certainly atrocities happened. But in many of the accounts that I have heard about--they were addressed by the US government and many of the perpetrators were never caught.
Do you have documentation for the charges that Christian churches instituted grand atrocities?
in a way, yes GrahamCracker...remember the Inquisition?...off thread, i know, but the point is that the church as an organization is not blameless in history...and if i remember American History class, which was many years ago, it was taught that, in particular, the Roman Catholic missionaries in the Southwest did try to undermine Native cultures in their zeal to convert them to Christianity and this was done so forcibly in some situations
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 1:46:07 PM
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To make this a valid debate, Palin's side should be represented. Possibly there are other reasons why she tried to have these laws passed other than...racism or greed.
So it's not a valid debate becasue Palin is not here?
Since you are a Palin supporter, WHY don't you try to debate here reasons for why she did this.
It's hard to come up with any?
Except greed and racism!
Everyone should live by the same laws. Eskimos don't get to slaughter more polar bears than anyone else. They don't get to skin more seals than other people. The don't get to butcher more whales than other people. And they don't get someone to hold their hands when they vote.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 1:47:24 PM
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We all know that there were many Christian churches and even church organizations that instituted grand atrocities in this country as well as others.
Please don't make things to be "we all know" as "common knowledge." It doesn't do well for your argument to suggest that certain things in history were well known, widespread and condoned when you know nothing of the sort.
Certainly atrocities happened. But in many of the accounts that I have heard about--they were addressed by the US government and many of the perpetrators were never caught.
Do you have documentation for the charges that Christian churches instituted grand atrocities?
in a way, yes GrahamCracker...remember the Inquisition?...off thread, i know, but the point is that the church as an organization is not blameless in history...and if i remember American History class, which was many years ago, it was taught that, in particular, the Roman Catholic missionaries in the Southwest did try to undermine Native cultures in their zeal to convert them to Christianity and this was done so forcibly in some situations
Their "Native cultures" were pagan. Jesus undermines pagan cultures.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 2:10:25 PM
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Everyone should live by the same laws. Eskimos don't get to slaughter more polar bears than anyone else. They don't get to skin more seals than other people. The don't get to butcher more whales than other people. And they don't get someone to hold their hands when they vote.
No they shouldn't. I live in Ohio what is relevant to my state, the citizens of my state and to the elected officials of my state may or may not be relevant to Alaska. That is the 10th amendment.
So while we're at it and what I highlighted why are we at war in Iraq over what now amounts to Saddam breaking a few treaties when we have broken hundreds and caused the killing of well over 100,000 with our broken treaties.
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Their "Native cultures" were pagan. Jesus undermines pagan cultures.
Show us the scripture please, enlighten us all with your immense biblical knowledge. : )
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 3:04:38 PM
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So it's not a valid debate becasue Palin is not here?
Please read my post. I said nothing about Palin posting here. I said the story is one sided, heavily, and without any from the other side, whatever it is.
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Since you are a Palin supporter
Supporting the anti-Obama candidates does not mean I support everything they have ever done. I do not know Palin's side on this.
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WHY don't you try to debate here reasons for why she did this.
It's hard to come up with any?
Except greed and racism!
Unlike....some people.....I do not automatically call someone of another race, racist.
I did not start this thread nor would I have based on some college newspaper article. It is extremely one sided and very poor journalism. Its more of an editorial than a news item. I just pointed out the inconsistancies....
but obviously since Palin is white and conservative she has to be greedy and racist....correct??
How...typically liberal.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 3:49:29 PM
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Wow, Tracy. Slinging the racist card is going to solve social problems how? If this forum is supposed to be about debate and discussion, it's losing steam fast.
As for the OP, there are many issues unique to Alaska that folks here in the lower 48 wouldn't have any way to comprehend. I tride to post some specifics earlier in the thread, but it seems that some folks get so emotioally wrapped up in their position they fail to see past the nose on their face.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 3:55:10 PM
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Wow, Tracy. Slinging the racist card is going to solve social problems how? If this forum is supposed to be about debate and discussion, it's losing steam fast.
I didnt sling the racist card.
I am not Sarah Palin trying to dog the Natives out!
You can call it what you want.
No matter where you are from, doing the poor or least of your society is wrong.
That's from the Bible.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 3:58:58 PM
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the WHITE man NEVER lives up to his laws!
Actually that would be man never lives up to his laws, regardless of color...
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Natives shopuld have different laws, it's their land and you are just a squatter on it. An illegal alien!
Since the "natives" fought amongst themselves and took lands from each other who exactly is the rightful owner? The last tribe to win?
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Can you prove that? Who said they are pagan? the white man?
Can you prove their belief system was founded on the gospel of Jesus Christ?
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Ever heard of the perfidous albinion? A word to describe whites.
It was actually a phrase to describe a person who doesn't keep his faith and or word, generally aimed at those from the UK... Of course it could be used to describe all of mankind, regardless of color...
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 4:02:15 PM
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I didnt sling the racist card.
Okay, maybe you didn't sling it, but you typed it.
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the WHITE man NEVER lives up to his laws! Natives shopuld have different laws, it's their land and you are just a squatter on it. An illegal alien!
Can you prove that? Who said they are pagan? the white man?
The white man is very pagan, heathen, barbaric! Rome used that word Barbaric just for them
Racist and greedy.
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No matter where you are from, doing the poor or least of your society is wrong.
Who said anything about Alaska natives being poor? The native associations in Alaska share greatly from oil profits. Native life in Alaska is completely different from native life in the lower 48.
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 4:02:21 PM
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Wow, Tracy. Slinging the racist card is going to solve social problems how? If this forum is supposed to be about debate and discussion, it's losing steam fast.
I didnt sling the racist card.
I am not Sarah Palin trying to dog the Natives out!
You can call it what you want.
No matter where you are from, doing the poor or least of your society is wrong.
That's from the Bible.
So is judging a righteous judgment... What court has been Sarah Palin been convicted of doing the poor wrong? Hope you are correct in your judgment since those who falsely accused other generally received the just punishment of what they accused others of.... That to is from the bible...
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 4:11:59 PM
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Actually that would be man never lives up to his laws, regardless of color...
What people of color made the laws in this land?
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Since the "natives" fought amongst themselves and took lands from each other who exactly is the rightful owner? The last tribe to win?
Well we know it is not the Europeans rightful land, they have Europe.
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Can you prove their belief system was founded on the gospel of Jesus Christ?
Can you prove that America was founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
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It was actually a phrase to describe a person who doesn't keep his faith and or word, generally aimed at those from the UK... Of course it could be used to describe all of mankind, regardless of color...
since Albionions are albinos, I don't think anyone but albinos fit in here.
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Who said anything about Alaska natives being poor? The native associations in Alaska share greatly from oil profits. Native life in Alaska is completely different from native life in the lower 48.
Can you show me any Native Alaskan mayors, govenors, etc?
Why are the Natives sharing with the whites , the oil profits, would be my question?
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What court has been Sarah Palin been convicted of doing the poor wrong?
So now we need the courts to decide righteous judgement?
How would she be convicted when America hates the poor? Who would convict her, the rich judges, that want more oil?
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RE: Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues - 9/21/2008 4:43:34 PM
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Can you show me any Native Alaskan mayors, govenors, etc?
Why are the Natives sharing with the whites , the oil profits, would be my question?
See Tracy, here's my point. You are letting your emotions control your dialogue in this discussion. You know nothing about Alaska and make all kinds of assumptions that the whites have all the control up there. Alaska is one of the most ethnically diverse places in the world. Most who live there come from somewhere else. There are military bases, universities, the oil fields, commercial fishing, and a host of other things that draw people there. In the national guard uniti I served in, my platoon was comprized of white, blacks, Athabaskan, Aluet, Tlingit, and some other's I can't recall. In order to make it through the long, cold, dark winter we had to come together to survive. We put our differences aside. Occasionally prejudice would rear it's ugly head. But, usually it had to do with a personal conflic and it was, all too frequently, fueled by alcohol.
The native associations do not share their revenues with the rest of the state. The state, however, shares oil revenues with everyone; no matter what color their skin. The only thing one has to prove is that they are a state resident. And yes, there are native mayors. The mayor of Fairbanks for many years while I lived there was a black man. I think, like most Alaskans, that the color of skin does nothing to disguise character.
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