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The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/11/2008 6:09:53 PM
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agapetos
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Vigorous physical activity could blunt the effects of a common gene linked to obesity, claim US researchers. Carrying two copies of the FTO gene significantly increases the chances of becoming obese. However, a study carried out among the US Amish community found an active lifestyle appeared to remove this risk Continues here. I am so glad that there is a study that confirms this. It's really galled me that people (many Christians included) claim that they have/must have a 'fat gene' that is preventing them from losing weight. Don't get me wrong here... there are people who have health problems that will cause them to gain weight or have a problem in losing it. This is not an excuse for avoiding exercise or for not eating sensibly though.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/11/2008 6:22:54 PM
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Amen and amen.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 6:04:42 AM
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But people could very easily take this and say "see 3-4 hours? That's impossible, I'm not Amish" Did the study address diet? I think it might've also had a lot to do with the cleaner diet of the Amish people. It just shows our lifestyle is the problem and it's going to kill us if we don't make some changes.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 1:46:33 PM
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The 3-4 hour thing... is that per day? And isn't that of moderate activity? The article implied that time could be lessened by higher rates of activity. 3-4 hours is a long time to spend in the gym, and unless it's your job, no one really has that kind of time to spend there... nor should most people with other responsibilities, like a spouse, children, ministry, etc... but there is something to living a more active lifestyle in general. Being active is something that can be incorporated into your hobbies, relaxation time, entertainment, and homelife... I bet you a dollar (US, Aga ) the biggest complaint about this article is: Who has 3-4 hours to be active?
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 1:57:41 PM
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Who has 3-4 hours to be active? That was the first thing I thought. My husband has a physical job, so he gets 7-8 hours of heavy physical activity a day, but if he had a desk or sitting job(like many, many people do), there would be no way he could devote 2-3 hours to exercise. Not if he wanted time at home and any life(or sleep) to speak of. I definitely know we don't get adequate amounts of exercise as Americans, but I thought it was funny how they tossed out 2-3 hours like that was totally doable.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 2:20:33 PM
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Who has 3-4 hours to be active? You're probably right and it doesn't make it clear if it's daily or weekly, which is a pity. You need to pay to see the full article and I didn't fancy doing that... However... the point is that too many people will claim to have the 'fat gene' (whether they've been tested or not) and will make no attempt to help themselves, but continue to eat junk food while they watch tv. We can all do something, no matter how small, to improve our health.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 2:27:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: agapetos quote:
Who has 3-4 hours to be active? You're probably right and it doesn't make it clear if it's daily or weekly, which is a pity. You need to pay to see the full article and I didn't fancy doing that... However... the point is that too many people will claim to have the 'fat gene' (whether they've been tested or not) and will make no attempt to help themselves, but continue to eat junk food while they watch tv. We can all do something, no matter how small, to improve our health. I think I remember Jenny-Fair saying it was 3-4 hours a day...I might be wrong though. It was in another thread/forum.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 2:46:59 PM
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Isn't the study agreeing that there is a "obesity gene", then going on to say that exercise\activity can (hlep) counter the gene? I saw another article on the study and it made the reference of burning 900 kcal per day. Which would probably take the average person 3-4 hours of (vigorous) exercise. The Amish people were burning it through 12+ hours a day of (less vigorous) activity. The typical overweight person, not interested in exercise, would be very challenged to meet that daily requirement. I love to exercise, most days do two-a-days, and probably fall short of it.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 3:00:38 PM
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I think with this particular obesity gene, that's what they're saying. One of my friends graduated with a double major in Spanish and Biology. She loves to dance (ballet), stay fit/work out...she hates fat, and if you're overweight, she'll talk about you. I try to overlook this quality (I know I have my own shortcomings, lol), but it's sometimes annoying. She had her first ever 9-5 job after college, but she has to sit in a cubicle all day. She called me one day to tell me that she can see how people can get overweight and not exercise with a job like that, esp. with a family/other responsibilities. I think she's trying to scratch and scrape time together now to exercise when it'd been easy for her before she got into her job. She's quit now to get a Master's, but not being able to find time to exercise bothered her.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 3:19:12 PM
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I think that's what is being said, too. And thank God, Solo, that we do learn to be more compassionate over our lifetimes! Really, if you sleep 8 hours, you have 16 hours of time to "be active." If you have a job where you are required to sit at a desk (or any other "inactive" option) that still leaves 8 hours to find time to be active in some manner. 3-4 hours of exercise seems excessive, but that's not an excuse to do nothing and just "give in" to the fat gene. We all have gene's that aren't so great and you can either let the gene have it's way by complimenting it with an unhealthy lifestyle, or you can combat it with a healthy lifestyle. If you have the gene, you may not be able to totally meet "perfect" standard, but you can do better. For example, I have the type II diabetic heredity. I can eat the Standard American Diet and be inactive and let the gene have it's way 100%... or I can eat healthy foods, be active, and hope that my body will be healthy enough to overcome the tendency... but if my body still develops diabetes, at least I am trained to eat a healthy diet and be active which is recommended for the disease. It's a win-win situation for me... and I can see it being a similar scenario for most hereditary issues.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 4:02:59 PM
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All the women in my family hit 40yo and balloon up. It started to happen to me, too. I decided I didn't want to live like that. I modified my diet and increased my activity. So far, I've kept my weight in check. I work out 1-2hrs/day, longer on the weekend. It's a matter of priorities. I have races I want to do. I know what it will take to get there. For me, that means getting up stupid early and working out before the kids get up. Then, it's school and household stuff. Bedtime is quite early, so I watch very little TV. At the gym, I see the same people day in and day out. They've made working out before work a priority. So, even working full time it can be done.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 4:28:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: his_chosen All the women in my family hit 40yo and balloon up. It started to happen to me, too. I decided I didn't want to live like that. I modified my diet and increased my activity. So far, I've kept my weight in check. I work out 1-2hrs/day, longer on the weekend. It's a matter of priorities. I have races I want to do. I know what it will take to get there. For me, that means getting up stupid early and working out before the kids get up. Then, it's school and household stuff. Bedtime is quite early, so I watch very little TV. At the gym, I see the same people day in and day out. They've made working out before work a priority. So, even working full time it can be done. You hit the nail RIGHT on the head his chosen!! I am in my 40's, work 40hrs per week, have 3 kids, am semi-active in church, and manage to work out 6 days a week as well. How do I find the time? I watch very little TV (maybe an hour a week), and don't spend hours a day posting on internet forums. <..............ducking..............>
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 4:32:16 PM
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This article http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1839708,00.html?imw=Y says: quote:
There's a hitch. The people who successfully overrode their genes were burning a stunning 900 kilocalories more per day than their less active counterparts, which amounted to three to four hours of moderate exercise daily. "That's a lot," acknowledges Rampersaud, who tracked participants' physical activity for seven days using accelerometers. By contrast, the volunteers in the "low" activity group were doing about two to three hours of gardening, housework or brisk walking each day. That's the kind of activity many people in the general American population — which, unlike the Amish, relies on cars and dishwashers and washing machines — would consider a serious workout. It sounds like it calls "gardening, housework or brisk walking" low activity (which is better than nothing), but one needs moderate exercise to beat the gene.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 4:38:58 PM
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I am so glad that there is a study that confirms this. It's really galled me that people (many Christians included) claim that they have/must have a 'fat gene' that is preventing them from losing weight. Did you not read the part where they said it can be overcome by THREE TO FOUR HOURS PER DAY of moderate exercise? Because, that would mean going to a part-time job instead of full-time and being broke, or never seeing my kids, and in any other person, it would be a sign of anorexia. Why is that supposed to be reasonable?
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 4:45:49 PM
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Ummm...I think folks would do well to read the whole article, rather than focus on one or two sentences. quote:
In a previous Danish trial that studied a more urban population that was slightly less active than the agrarian Amish, scientists found that those with the obesity-prone copies of FTO did not have to exercise that much to reduce their weight and BMI. Notes Dr. David Katz, director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center, the current study, which was published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, highlights a critical new understanding in the relationship between genes and our lifestyle. It's long been known that we can compensate for our genetic makeup by our lifestyle choices — by watching what we eat and how much we exercise, for example — but as this study shows, it's now becoming clear that our lifestyle patterns may actually alter our genes and the way they are expressed as well. "We can nurture nature," he says, "and the idea that you can alter genetics through lifestyle is an emerging theme. The power of lifestyle is dramatic."
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 4:54:23 PM
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I think what bothers me most is that at this point, it isn't about health. A fat woman can behave the same way the thin woman next to her can behave, but it's not good enough because people don't think she's sexy. The thin woman gets a pass. I could get one hour of moderate physical activity per day (and I would love to do so, but usually can't even fit THAT in when I am working full-time) and be perfectly healthy, but no, I need to be punished with an extra 3 hours because of my size. It's prejudice, plain and simple. And I love the suggestions for incorporating the activity in your day..sorry, my days have 24 hours, no more, no less, so unless you can figure out how to wash dishes on a treadmill and work an office job on a bike, leave me alone about it.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 5:00:32 PM
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I'm not saying that you ahve to do the full 3-4hrs/day. I started with running 2-4 miles 3-4 days a week. Many of the women I see at the gym are working out 1hr 3-4 days a week. So, it's not doing the full 3-4hrs/day. It's a matter of doing something several days a week.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 5:02:41 PM
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The study says 3 to 4 per day, and that is what I was responding to.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 6:12:40 PM
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ORIGINAL: Jenny-Fair I think what bothers me most is that at this point, it isn't about health. A fat woman can behave the same way the thin woman next to her can behave, but it's not good enough because people don't think she's sexy. The thin woman gets a pass. What?!!? That is not what the article is about...it's about not giving into the "fat gene" and knowledge that it can be overridden with lifestyle choices. It has nothing to do with how fat or skinny people behave (aside from exercising) or about being sexy or about giving anyone a pass... Or did I seriously zone out while reading?
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 6:37:31 PM
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Did you not read the part where they said it can be overcome by THREE TO FOUR HOURS PER DAY of moderate exercise? I went back earlier and reread the article I posted and I went to the link to see if I could read the whole article (my post # 6). I could not find anywhere where it specified 3-4 hours a day. quote:
I think what bothers me most is that at this point, it isn't about health. A fat woman can behave the same way the thin woman next to her can behave, but it's not good enough because people don't think she's sexy. The thin woman gets a pass. I confess that I don't find women sexy, perhaps because I am a woman and that's me. I dunno. But I do know what makes a woman attractive. It has NOTHING to do with the way they look. It's about something that is inside of them. Ever seen Dawn French? Especially in the Vicar of Dibley? She, the vicar, describes herself as "babe with a bob cut and a magnificent bosom". The lady isn't small (size-wise) but she oozes confidence and loves a laugh and that makes her attractive to men. It is often not so much about how others perceive those who don't fit into what is considered to be a normal weight range, but the way thos who don't fit perceive themselves. quote:
Really, if you sleep 8 hours, you have 16 hours of time to "be active." If you have a job where you are required to sit at a desk (or any other "inactive" option) that still leaves 8 hours to find time to be active in some manner. 3-4 hours of exercise seems excessive, but that's not an excuse to do nothing and just "give in" to the fat gene. We all have gene's that aren't so great and you can either let the gene have it's way by complimenting it with an unhealthy lifestyle, or you can combat it with a healthy lifestyle. If you have the gene, you may not be able to totally meet "perfect" standard, but you can do better Or getting up and turning the tv over instead of using the remote. Or getting off the computer and taking the kids to the park to kick a football or throw a frisbee. I could have spent the past week sitting on my behind because I hurt my knee. I chose to do things though. Not as much (or even always what) as I'd planned to do, but I did stuff. And yes, my knee hurt at the end of each day, but I felt better for doing the things I did than I would have doing nothing ~ and I have opted to believe that doing things and keeping my knee moving has actually helped it. I have been watching the paralymics this week. There are many inspiring stories about what people have overcome to compete there. One guy won gold in Athens. A year later he had a kidney transplant. He's spent every other day in Beijing on dialysis ~ and came away today with a silver. He has Acondroplasia (dwarfism). How easy it would have been for him to not bother trying in the first place, or give up after the transplant, or not compete because of the dialysis. I am not saying that we should all try out for the olympics or paralympics. But we should perhaps stop blaming circumstances for all our weight problems while not even bothering to do anything about them. If you have a weight problem (and I am NOT talking of people with eating disorders) and choose not to do anything about it, have the honesty to admit it and not blame it on genes all the time.
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RE: The fat gene ~ not an excuse! - 9/12/2008 7:03:28 PM
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The study does not say 3-4 hours working out in a gym per day. I didn't say 'in the gym'. I didn't say 'working out'. But the study does say 3 to 4 hours of moderate physical activity, and that is impossible for many people without sacrificing their qualitify of life..and for what? Appearance? Because this isn't about health, it is about appearance. (hence the prejudice. This is no longer about 'gosh you could have a heart attack' it's about 'one hour a day isn't good enough if you are still fat' Back to the treadmill, Fatty!) I love the suggestions. Using the stairs instead of the elevator...if that takes you five minutes, you would need to do it 48 times in a day...if you can FIND an elevator in your daily life to skip. There are three in the town in which I live and the only time I encounter them is when I am in the hospital. Walk instead of driving? When is that supposed to happen? Any way you cut it, it's spending three to four hours walking/biking/swimming that you would normally be spending doing something else. So you WILL have to cut out the 'something elses' and for the study to assume that all fat people must be sitting on their rears watching television is following a stereotype which is probably not true. quote:
I could not find anywhere where it specified 3-4 hours a day. If the reporter doesn't mention it, their bad, 'cause that IS what the study says. Kate Harding links to a much better example, with a better response, on her blog. quote:
we should perhaps stop blaming circumstances for all our weight problems while not even bothering to do anything about them. The problem there is that people assume if you are fat, you obviously haven't done anything about it, and that is not usually true.
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