RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in your marriage?
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/5/2008 10:46:30 PM
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keepitreal
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And D/s stands for Dominance and submission...........in other words I totally submit to what my husbands wants and trust in him completely to do what he feels is right for our family and relationship.
You are not being completely truthful. The D/s sub-culture is much more than that. It is degrading to women to the point that some of them wear dog collars, and I am not talking about jewelry. You are trying to make it sound like you are using the word submissive the same way Christians do, but that would be untruthful. There is a whole sub-culture of strange things that go on.
Thanks for point this out. I wondered if that's what the OP was alluding to. So let me get this straight:
You've been confiding in the pastor about yours and your husband's unorthodox sexual lifestyle, and he has been confiding in you about his.
Something stinks here.
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/6/2008 8:06:41 PM
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dianetavegia
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Exactly. Any woman who has to call her husband 'Master' is not living a submissive wife lifestyle. Scripture NEVER says our husbands are to lord over us and demand terms such as 'Master'.
Notice the op's username. It 'spells out' His Troublemaker. Hmmmm
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/6/2008 8:23:49 PM
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WOW! I do not want to believe the OP is for real. But I am not naive and know there is darkness out there. Excellent posts, Diane, and DreadPirateRandy. Truly time to be equipped with the armor of God.
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/6/2008 8:30:44 PM
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Exactly. Any woman who has to call her husband 'Master' is not living a submissive wife lifestyle. Scripture NEVER says our husbands are to lord over us and demand terms such as 'Master'.
Genesis 18:11-13 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in age; Sarah was past childbearing. Sarah laughed to herself, saying, "After I have become old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?" And the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh, saying, 'Shall I indeed bear a child, when I am so old?'
Husband in Hebrew is: "áÌòì " pronounced ba‛al [bah'-al] from Strong's H1167
a master; hence a husband, or (figuratively) owner
Derived from H1166 áÌòì bâ‛al [baw-al']
A primitive root; to be master; hence (as denominative from H1167) to marry: - Beulah have dominion (over), be husband, marry (-ried, X wife).
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/6/2008 10:21:19 PM
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SealedEternal, before you embarrass yourself further, you may want to be made aware that the OP is referring to a lifestyle in which the wife is ordered to do humiliating sexaul acts (often in chains and dog collars) by her "Master". Is that the kind of thing you preach, over in your crowd?
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/6/2008 10:29:29 PM
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To the OP,
Let me get this straight. You are carrying on an email conversation with a "pastor" who is a swinger and also discussing with him your own D/s lifestyle? What part of this situation seems like a good idea? You seriously need to cut off contact. There is no witnessing going on, I promise you. The rest...well...I don't know where to go with that.
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/6/2008 10:51:00 PM
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SealedEternal, before you embarrass yourself further, you may want to be made aware that the OP is referring to a lifestyle in which the wife is ordered to do humiliating sexaul acts (often in chains and dog collars) by her "Master". Is that the kind of thing you preach, over in your crowd?
I wasn't speaking toward this lifestyle, I was addressing a specific argument that I believe to be flawed. The lifestyle may be sinful, but submitting to a husband is not. If a command from the husband is contrary to the will of God then God takes precedence, but it is wrong to argue that a wife doesn't have to allow her husband to lord over her, because as long as what he asks of her is not against God's will, she does.
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/7/2008 1:00:21 PM
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Beth67
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I have been having this discussion with a friend who is also a preacher. He and his wife take other lovers into their relationship and he justifies it ...
A swinging preacher. Isn't that an oxymoron?
I agree with what Hislittleone said in a previous post: 'He is twisting scripture to meet his own selfish desires.'
We can justify just about anything, if we really want to. This guy is nothing but a deceiver. Don't be misled.
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/7/2008 1:13:38 PM
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The first post has a LOT more going on than one issue of what the Bible includes about more than 2 people involved in a marriage.
On the question alone, yes, the Bible does have stories where a man had more than 1, in fact MANY women other than his wife. Does that make it the choice for me today? NO. It also has stories of adultry, incest, murder, rape, and many other situations. That is not there for the purpose of saying "hey so and so did that so I think I will too."
Something that really stood out for me in the first post was- (and I quote)
Within a religious setting a minister should first
love people unconditionally, then strike out in the direction God is
calling. If he has done a proper job of loving people they will follow.
That is false teaching! NO relationship comes before our own PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with Jesus. There is NO OTHER WAY anyone can be saved. To suggest a preacher/pastor can love someone enough to make them follow Christ is false teaching and I highly recommend you RUN from this man if for no other reason than that 1 teaching.
A married person in ministry has no business discussing private sexual thoughts and practices with other married members within their congregation anyhow on a one to one basis with the opposite sex.
The real question I would be asking you is WHY ARE YOU LISTENING TO SUCH GARBAGE?
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/7/2008 2:14:17 PM
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dianetavegia
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SealedEternal, I am most assuredly a submissive wife (of 38 years) and believe such submission is scriptural. Submission is more of a military term as in following the orders of a leader who is better equipped to lead.
My post was meant to speak to the op regarding things she openly posted on other websites that support BDSM, too graphic to post and included topics which can only be discussed on 'one stop' threads.
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/7/2008 2:33:55 PM
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This "preacher" is an absolute idiot and unintelligently misrepresenting scripture. It's certainly not "good" or based on acceptable moral standards that the Word lays down.
"On the topic of D/s lifestyles, let me clearly state, I think everyone should run their own relationships in the way that suits themselves."
Um, no. Our relationship is to reflect Godly principles and moral standards provided by His Word. Using this untheological "logic", premarital sex and other forbidden acts outside of marriage would be acceptable. Yet, the Bible is quite clear that any acts of sexual immorality is wrong outside of marriage. It's also clear that any sexual acts inside of marriage must be kept between you and your spouse, there isn't "another".
"Likewise, many of the submission passages in the Bible are merely acknowledgments of the cultural reality of the time."
This is a perfect example of someone twisting theology to fit their own wants and personal needs. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever will be. There are certain parts of the Bible that described a specific morality of that time, yes. However, it doesn't mean those principles aren't to be applied in the modern world. If purity was only a cultural expectation during a certain time, should we still practice it? Yes. Why? Because God's Word says so. Likewise with sexual morality in marriage.
"The Bible also lays equally strong requirements on men to love and care for their wives."
No. The Bible requires men to love their wife, non plural, as much as they love themselves, and to be their provider in every one of their needs.
"It's always tempting for us to decide that a certain lifestyle is for us, then to try to justify it as being "Biblical.""
A Christian only has one lifestyle, not many. It is supposed to be justified as being biblical and holding godly manners. Our relationships are also to demonstrate those identical principles. We are not to look at what is evil and call it good. We are to determine these things based off the knowledge we receive from the Bible.
"The fact of the matter is that the Bible really makes no comment on poly vs mono relationships."
Wow. That's amazing. Because as a preacher, I would certainly think you to be a lot less biblically ignorant than you are. The Bible is quite clear on this subject, but to the blind, they could never see that.
Randy, there may have been a thread or two on these forums here where you and I didn't see eye to eye, but I am SO impressed with you in this post. There is really nothing I can add to it, and it bespeaks in you a wisdom beyond your years. You have been a real "Timothy," here. I am so thankful to see this in you. 
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/7/2008 8:04:54 PM
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And just what exactly is adultery? Truth is not relevant and is unchanging, otherwise it would just be a matter of opinion and therefore non-existent. Our God is not a God of confusion and He makes it very clear that fornication and adultery is a sin. Adultery has a very specific definition biblically. In the OT, it was defined as a man having sex with a woman who was some one else's wife. She had to be married. He could be single or married.
In the NT many consider that it was expanded to include single women as well, although I cannot give you chapter and verse on that one.
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/8/2008 7:03:29 PM
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I cannot believe what I am reading here! wow!
Diane, EXCELLENT counsel, both in the scriptural evidences of this type of relationship being sinful as well as your counsel for her to STOP interacting with this man and his wife. Do not give the enemy a foothold. Sometimes we may think we can "help" someone when in fact we are the one who ends up entangled in THEIR sin, making it then ours. Guard yourself OP!
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RE: Is it Biblical to have more than one wife/lover in ... - 9/10/2008 12:56:39 AM
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I wasn't speaking toward this lifestyle, I was addressing a specific argument that I believe to be flawed. The lifestyle may be sinful, but submitting to a husband is not. If a command from the husband is contrary to the will of God then God takes precedence, but it is wrong to argue that a wife doesn't have to allow her husband to lord over her, because as long as what he asks of her is not against God's will, she does.
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So, do ya have the Missus calling you master, sealed?
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