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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/21/2008 12:04:44 PM
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Jhud
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Election year, and a cheap, otherwise pointless 'wedge' issue for Republicans to pretend they are superior to anyone else.
I don't think Newdow is a Republican...
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/21/2008 12:42:53 PM
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When ever I see stuff like this , I always think of what Chris Rock said.
We put"In God we trust" on our god. The money.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/21/2008 2:50:33 PM
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I would like to point out as I attempted to do so in my first post in this thread, but was ignored, that this article is from November 2005.
I've received several emails about this recently. Why is this suddenly making the rounds again almost three years later?
I did a quick search on Google News and could not find any updates to this story since the original.
Apparently, it died a quick death. So, why make a big deal, nearly 3 years later?
Election year, and a cheap, otherwise pointless 'wedge' issue for Republicans to pretend they are superior to anyone else.
Or Democrats... they do it too...
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/22/2008 8:21:12 AM
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I'd rather see more God in our society than on our money!
But money is "the root of all evil", it (money) gives otherwise Christian people the excuse to deny health coverage, a decent eduction and treat others in our global village as second class citizens worthy of contempt as WE think of ourselves more than our neighbor.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/22/2008 3:28:57 PM
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Jhud
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I'd rather see more God in our society than on our money!
But money is "the root of all evil", it (money) gives otherwise Christian people the excuse to deny health coverage, a decent eduction and treat others in our global village as second class citizens worthy of contempt as WE think of ourselves more than our neighbor.
Money is not the 'root of all evil'.
Though I find it ironic that you think it is, and yet want to give more of it to those in need. (What other evil things should we give the poor?)
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/22/2008 3:30:50 PM
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armydude
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I'd rather see more God in our society than on our money!
But money is "the root of all evil", it (money) gives otherwise Christian people the excuse to deny health coverage, a decent eduction and treat others in our global village as second class citizens worthy of contempt as WE think of ourselves more than our neighbor.
I believe that if you read the scripture you're half-quoting you'll see that the love of money is the root of evil. There's nothing good or evil about money.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/22/2008 4:28:33 PM
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Election year, and a cheap, otherwise pointless 'wedge' issue for Republicans to pretend they are superior to anyone else.
I don't think Newdow is a Republican...
Irrelevant much?
Somebody named JJB1222 started this thread, dredging up the issue.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/22/2008 4:30:03 PM
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I would like to point out as I attempted to do so in my first post in this thread, but was ignored, that this article is from November 2005.
I've received several emails about this recently. Why is this suddenly making the rounds again almost three years later?
I did a quick search on Google News and could not find any updates to this story since the original.
Apparently, it died a quick death. So, why make a big deal, nearly 3 years later?
Election year, and a cheap, otherwise pointless 'wedge' issue for Republicans to pretend they are superior to anyone else.
Or Democrats... they do it too...
Perhaps not as much, since they have neither the long experience with the technique nor the reliance on it.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/22/2008 4:30:34 PM
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Jhud
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Irrelevant much?
Somebody named JJB1222 started this thread, dredging up the issue.
What does that have to do with your reference to Republicans?
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/29/2008 7:26:49 AM
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Thessa
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Do atheists not have anything better to do?
Whats the point in them spending time on such a thing that will make their descendance to hell even faster? I dont get it...and im glad i dont get it.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/29/2008 7:53:52 AM
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mapachito13
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I'd rather see more God in our society than on our money!
But money is "the root of all evil", it (money) gives otherwise Christian people the excuse to deny health coverage, a decent eduction and treat others in our global village as second class citizens worthy of contempt as WE think of ourselves more than our neighbor.
Money is not the 'root of all evil'.
Though I find it ironic that you think it is, and yet want to give more of it to those in need. (What other evil things should we give the poor?)
My bad on the quote and good use of sarcasm with the evil things to the poor line!  Even though the general message is the same, I edited my post as follows:
"The love of their money" gives otherwise Christian people the excuse to deny health coverage, a decent eduction and treat others in our global village as second class citizens worthy of contempt as WE think of ourselves more than our neighbor.
But the message still stands. Some Christians think if they pray hard enough poverty will just go away. Meanwhile conservatives don't want to give money to people "who don't deserve it" (aka, the poor) while they whine about the state of the country - the blight in our cities, uneducated masses, etc. Social justice seems to be dirty words in the Republican dictionary.
So how do YOU plan to solve these problems? Let the market work them out?
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/29/2008 10:34:14 AM
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Jhud
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"The love of their money" gives otherwise Christian people the excuse to deny health coverage, a decent eduction and treat others in our global village as second class citizens worthy of contempt as WE think of ourselves more than our neighbor.
But the message still stands. Some Christians think if they pray hard enough poverty will just go away. Meanwhile conservatives don't want to give money to people "who don't deserve it" (aka, the poor) while they whine about the state of the country - the blight in our cities, uneducated masses, etc. Social justice seems to be dirty words in the Republican dictionary.
So how do YOU plan to solve these problems? Let the market work them out?
Actually, I have on a number of occasions personally provided for those who are in need, whether it was healthcare needs, housing needs, or emotional and social support, as has my greater church community.
I don't necessarily have a problem with providing for the poorest of the poor via certain governmental agencies, but anyone pretending that mandatory taxes administered by an indifferent government bureaucracy is an act of Christian charity is sadly deceived.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/29/2008 10:41:54 AM
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mapachito13
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"The love of their money" gives otherwise Christian people the excuse to deny health coverage, a decent eduction and treat others in our global village as second class citizens worthy of contempt as WE think of ourselves more than our neighbor.
But the message still stands. Some Christians think if they pray hard enough poverty will just go away. Meanwhile conservatives don't want to give money to people "who don't deserve it" (aka, the poor) while they whine about the state of the country - the blight in our cities, uneducated masses, etc. Social justice seems to be dirty words in the Republican dictionary.
So how do YOU plan to solve these problems? Let the market work them out?
Actually, I have on a number of occasions personally provided for those who are in need, whether it was healthcare needs, housing needs, or emotional and social support, as has my greater church community.
I don't necessarily have a problem with providing for the poorest of the poor via certain governmental agencies, but anyone pretending that mandatory taxes administered by an indifferent government bureaucracy is an act of Christian charity is sadly deceived.
This is true but the government has a duty per Romans 13:4 that they be "a servant of God for your good." I would say that this requires them to look after our general health and welfare at the least.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/29/2008 12:11:37 PM
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Jhud
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This is true but the government has a duty per Romans 13:4 that they be "a servant of God for your good." I would say that this requires them to look after our general health and welfare at the least.
Actually, if you read the whole verse, it's fairly clear what it means:
For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
So the primary purpose is to reward what is good, and punish what is evil. That is the best of what government can and should do.
On the other hand, Paul warned us about uncoupling one's neccesities from one's labor:
2 Thess: 3:7 - 11
For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you, nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example. For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.
So it's important that we don't create programs that encourage sloth and lack of discipline.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/30/2008 5:57:07 PM
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I would like to point out as I attempted to do so in my first post in this thread, but was ignored, that this article is from November 2005.
I've received several emails about this recently. Why is this suddenly making the rounds again almost three years later?
I did a quick search on Google News and could not find any updates to this story since the original.
Apparently, it died a quick death. So, why make a big deal, nearly 3 years later?
Election year, and a cheap, otherwise pointless 'wedge' issue for Republicans to pretend they are superior to anyone else.
Every time liberals are revealed to be anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-normal, they define it as a cheap political trick. Some other examples of cheap political tricks:
- Revealing that liberals believe two men repeatedly engaging in anal intercourse is the moral equivalent of a man and a woman in love.
- Reminding people how little respect they have for traditional religious expression. A cross on a hill, the word God on our currency, or the 10 Commandments in a work of art are things liberals find offensive. They go to court to obliterate them and then say we're intolerant.
- Pointing out how much they dislike America. Bloodthirsty Muslims take out the twin towers and the pentagon and liberals cook up all kinds of wacky stories that America was behind it. A sick liberal pastor, a mentor to the presidential candidate, tells his congregation that America created AIDS to kill black people. They spread lies about our soldiers urinating on korans and accuse our top general of betrayal.
Wedge issues are things liberals want to hide. If liberals had the courage to speak honestly and frankly about their desires we wouldn't have a socially liberal party. Economic yes, socially not a chance. We'd have two parties that loved America and respected godly values. The party of FDR and JFK is dead. The party of Lincoln lives.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 8/31/2008 1:12:05 PM
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If liberals had the courage to speak honestly and frankly about their desires we wouldn't have a socially liberal party.
...wait, so if liberals started saying how liberal they were, they'd stop voting liberally?
I don't follow.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 9/1/2008 3:38:07 AM
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If liberals had the courage to speak honestly and frankly about their desires we wouldn't have a socially liberal party.
...wait, so if liberals started saying how liberal they were, they'd stop voting liberally?
I don't follow.
Suppose they spoke like this:
- Dismemberment and disembowelment of children in the womb is good public policy, even if they can live on their own.
- We want to give your children condoms.
- Anal intercourse between two (or more) men is normal.
- It's normal for men to mutiliate themselves by chopping off their sexual organs because they're really women.
- Burning the flag is patriotic.
- Adult-child sex is harmless to the child unless the adult is a priest.
- The bible is for backward people.
- We put abortuaries in places where we can get the most brown and black children.
- We don't want poor black children going to a private school even if they get a better education than at the public school.
- Soldiers are stupid.
- You don't deserve an SUV, a heated pool or a private jet. We do.
- We know what to do with your money. You don't.
They'd never get elected. If you look carefully sometimes they let their guards down and really say these things.
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RE: Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’ - 9/1/2008 4:34:48 AM
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One of my favorite quotes from Ronald Reagan was:
"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under."
So true!
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