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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/13/2008 6:35:45 PM
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That's a strange view of Heaven. People devoid of all emotions - no sorrow. Just look down at your loved ones in hell. And move on as if nothing touched your heart.
Maybe we're mis-reading or mis-understanding what the Bible says. I don't think Heaven will be full of robots.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/13/2008 7:04:18 PM
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That's a strange view of Heaven. People devoid of all emotions - no sorrow. Just look down at your loved ones in hell. And move on as if nothing touched your heart.
Maybe we're mis-reading or mis-understanding what the Bible says. I don't think Heaven will be full of robots.
Not sure how that is going to work out - but praise Jesus we will find out!
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/14/2008 9:16:54 AM
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Maybe God will put in our heart His sense of Justice so we"ll understand and fully accept that they are in hell
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/14/2008 9:25:44 AM
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If believers witness these events, we can be sure we will agree completely with the justice displayed by God, for then we shall see all things from His point of view. Thus, the righteous can enjoy the bliss of heaven knowing full well the fate of the wicked in hell."
Sorry i read it after posting.
I totally agree with this. I think it's the only way to accept our relatives in hell. Right now, i am like you, i don't understand. I even question myself sometimes about the reality of hell. All my friends are unbelievers ... But they have everything they want in life, so they don't 'need' a God.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/14/2008 9:48:34 AM
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While the articles are interesting, and do not seem to violate any scripture, they are still just conjecture. When all is said and done we just do not know. And that is absolutely OK.
Lets leave it at that.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/14/2008 12:08:29 PM
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While the articles are interesting, and do not seem to violate any scripture, they are still just conjecture. When all is said and done we just do not know. And that is absolutely OK.
Lets leave it at that.
Exactly.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/15/2008 6:51:53 AM
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Why do our churches not teach us that it is OK to have some things that are left undefined?
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/15/2008 7:35:02 AM
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Agreed ... there are things we are just not meant to know (for now).
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/15/2008 8:39:51 AM
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Personally I don't think there will be age in heaven since time is no more. Further, since it is correct that there will be no tears in heaven, I have to disagree with the Spurgeon quote. My conjecture is that not only will we not be able to see our relatives or loved ones in hell, but we won't even remember them, since even the memory of them and knowing that they're not in heaven might bring tears. But that's just my conjecture. No scripture to back that up.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/15/2008 9:57:33 AM
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My conjecture is that not only will we not be able to see our relatives or loved ones in hell, but we won't even remember them I understand what you are saying; however, it seems covenant relationships are eternal.
How does that fit in? Who knows?
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/15/2008 10:55:53 AM
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I think that's the hardest question we have to answer. How can we be happy in paradise when our family or friends are in hell? As a non-believer i would certainly ask that question ... As a believer all i can do is trust in the justice of God.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/15/2008 3:14:23 PM
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When we get there we will "Know as we are known." (1 cor 13) We will understand perfectly why any certain person is or is not there. God's overwhelming glory will more than make up for any loss we feel.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/16/2008 8:57:43 AM
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About the age I can only think of people in heaven the age they were when they died. I know this would be strange when we are all there together as people die all different ages.
I think of David when his young son died and he said he would see him again. Would David see a young baby or an adult? I don't have any answers only thoughts and opinions, but it's good to think about heaven anyway. 
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/16/2008 9:11:36 AM
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Two thoughts, the disciples recognized Elijah and Moses, tho they had never seen them before AND the disciples and women did not immediately recognize Jesus when he came to them after his resurrection.
Jesus could eat and be touched. We're told there will be no tears in heaven, except for 'tears in a bottle'. Our bodies are free from the power of sin, won't get sick, etc.
Jesus still had the spots on his hands, feet and side from his crucifixion. Instead of 'flaws' those were signs of love, beauty marks, as it were.
The rich man recognized the beggar Lazarus, tho we know that the beggar was no longer lying in squalor, using broken pottery to scrape the scabs off his sores....... He also recognized 'Father' Abraham and remembered his brothers who were heading to eternal damnation. That tells me people in hell will remember everything. Every chance to turn from their sin and turn to Jesus.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/16/2008 6:42:50 PM
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We are not told that there will be no tears in heaven we are told that Jesus will wipe all our tears away. So that means we may be morning the lost before those tears are wiped away but we can count on most of eternity there being no tears.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/17/2008 3:00:56 PM
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We are not told that there will be no tears in heaven we are told that Jesus will wipe all our tears away. So that means we may be morning the lost before those tears are wiped away but we can count on most of eternity there being no tears.
That's a good point. I never thought about it that way before.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/17/2008 10:31:05 PM
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Well Christ was able to change his appearance at the end of the Gospel of John to make it so that people that knew him very closely could not recognize him. His voice was also changed in some of those accounts.
We will have a body that is like unto his, so it may very well be possible that we can change our outward appearance and voice and what not. So it could be possible that we can change our age to look like any appearance we want. That's the closest thing to an answer that I could give anyone.
There is also a verse of scripture that says God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think. So take any great thing that we have now and multiply it by a million and that still isn't even a good comparison of what heaven will be like.
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The Hebrew word Sheol simply means grave. The Greek word Hades also means grave. Gehenna means lake of fire (which is the closest thing to a hell we have). If you look at a scripture in revelation it makes more sense that those words simply mean grave.
Revelation 20:14
14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
This first word hell is Hades. The word for lake of fire is Gehenna. Sometimes Gehenna is translated hell. So if you change the translation you get;
14) "and death and hell were cast into hell......"
And that makes no sense. This sort of selective translation from translators makes understanding the Bible very confusing. If you translate it correctly you get;
Revelation 20:14
14) And death and the grave where cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
This makes much more sense as death will be abolished in third heaven and third Earth. The grave is not necessary since death will no longer exist. hell being cast into hell, pretty amusing.
So in the Bible, Sheol and Hades should always be translated as "grave." And most scholars will agree with this.
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Gehenna is a hell but it's not like what most people think. In the Bible, most of the time fire and brimstone is used in association with a purification. The lake of fire will not physically burn you because spirits can't be burned, and they can't die.
Revelations 20:10
10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire (Gehenna) and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
See as they are spirits they cannot die. This also includes people who are born again of the devil's seed. They also cannot be burned, so it's hard to describe it as a place of burning like everyone thinks it is, etc.
Also, if they are going to be tormented night and day for ever and ever, It doesn't make sense that they will have free reign to torment normal people who didn't go to heaven. In fact that would be quite pleasurable for him to do his evil over and over again for eternity. So no, there shouldn't be mass torment of people who didn't go to heaven.
Revelation 20:11-14
11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell (Hades, grave) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14) And death and hell (Hades, grave) were cast into the lake of fire (Gehenna). This is the second death.
Revelation 20:14 - talks about a second death where death will be abolished once and for all. It is my speculation based on how loving God is that people who do not get born again of either the good seed or the bad seed will get resurrected and then simply just die again a second time. That way there is no eternal torment for people who are carnal men. People with no spirit at all just turn into dust again and die forever. Because like I said, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the devil to have free reign to torment people for ages and ages.
Instead, what does make sense is that any evil spirits get locked in this "lake of fire" and are tormented because they have all this evil power and cannot use it at all. Imagine if your absolute greatest passion and love in the world was to eat pizza. Every minute of every night and day you eat pizza. But then you are locked in a closet where there is no pizza at all for ever and ever. Imagine the mental and physical torment you would have. That is a silly example, but it's the same thing.
This is my speculation, though most people don't teach it that way. The least you can do though is change the words Sheol and Hades in your Bible to grave. Hell is a terrible translation for the word grave.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/17/2008 11:43:07 PM
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It is my understanding that all things will be made known to us in the heavenly realm so age will be irrelevant.
Time was created for mans benefit but it will not exist in heaven.
We will be the same age as Adam... we will know what He knows regardless of our earthly age when our lives ended. We cannot wrap our minds around age and time as it relates to heaven because we do not have the ability to comprehend it.
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