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Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 12:01:03 AM
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What age will our glorified bodies resemble.
Sound like an odd question, but I have seen worse.
If I had to pick an age it would be the age Jesus was at Crusifiction.
There may be no way to know this and most of you may be guessing, but any answer will be interesting to listen too.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 2:26:40 AM
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Maybe the more loving and generous we are in this life will determine the body we have in heaven....??
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 9:28:26 AM
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Forget your body for a minute - how old do you think your "soul" is?
You know, that thing inside you that makes you think, act, love, hate, fear etc ... How old is it?
I've known people as old as the hills yet with a fresh attitude to life, full of hope and joy as that of a young child.
So, maybe in Heaven we will not have a body as such; with aching pains and hunched backs bent forward by the many years we carry on our shoulders.
Maybe we will be just souls with an age pertinent to God's requirements of us.
No doubt the Biblical experts will step in now to correct me with various quotations, chapters and verse.
The reality is we don't really know. Why don't you ask me this question of yours when we meet in Heaven?
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 9:41:19 AM
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nyah, I don't think God will care too much about age in heaven, being as all the confusing stuff is not allowed up there.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 3:26:25 PM
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mvic, the Bible speaks frequently about our "glorified body," and Jesus himself returns in His glorified body in a recognizable form, which sounds like more than a soul to me. Since the text clearly talks about body and soul as separate things, I would conclude that a "glorified body" must also be unlike a soul. And I would say it's worth talking about - not fighting About, but rather, worth discussing and dreaming about what God has in store. The future is exciting!
revbob4God - there is no sin in heaven, and no tear shall fall, but Jesus still has nail-holes in his hands? That sounds confusing to me :-)
And cherubim, and the trinity, and...
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 6:07:15 PM
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Hi Locke,
Of course Jesus had to appear to His disciples and others as a body after the Resurrection. If He didn't, and He appeared as a ghost or spirit, then the whole matter of the Resurrection would not have occurred. So yes: He had a body after His death.
Will we have a body after our death? Whether in Heaven or hell?
I really don't know. What is the point of a body unless you have something to do with it? Like eat, drink, walk, run, sit and so on. Will we really do all these things in Heaven?
I'm practicing playing the harp, just in case.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 6:18:34 PM
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I have it on good authority that we will all be 24 years, 6 months, and 14 days old.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 6:23:36 PM
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The speculators have said it would be the age of Jesus when He was crucified.
The following is from Moody Magazine (the link was taken down):
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The Glories of Heaven
When Del Fahsenfeld was battling a rare brain tumor, his doctors assured him that he would die before Christmas. When I spoke with him, he told me he wanted to follow God so fully while he still had strength, that when weakness came he would be able to endure his suffering with confidence. "When you come home at night," he said, "you can manage to get around the house in the darkness because you have been there so often in the light." ’
Del died that November. Those who were with him to the end said he had died well. For Del, the darkness of death was as the light. He was prepared for that final hour. The Christ he had known for so many years led him through the curtain all the way to the other side.
What can you expect as a believer one minute after you die? While relatives sorrow on earth, you will find yourself in new surroundings which just now are beyond our imagination. Most probably, you will see angels who have been assigned to escort you to your destination, just as the angels carried Lazarus to "Abraham’s bosom" (Luke 16:22 nasb).
You are keenly aware that you have arrived in heaven, and as you enter its gates, you see Christ who welcomes you home. Since He stood to welcome Stephen into the glories of heaven (Acts 7:56), it is reasonable to believe He will be on hand to bid you enter.
You know who He is, and He quite obviously knows who you are. Because you are one of His sheep, He calls you by name. You look into His eyes and see compassion, love, and understanding. Though you feel altogether unworthy, you know His welcome is genuine. You see His nail prints, which trigger memories that make you fall on your face and worship. Were it not for His tender hand helping you to your feet, you would not be able to get up.
So much is different, yet you are quite the same. You have entered heaven without a break in consciousness. Back on earth your friends will bury your body, but they cannot bury you. Just before Stephen died, he said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit"; he did not say, "receive my body" (Acts 7:59).
YOUR PERSONALITY CONTINUES
One minute after we die our minds, our memories, will be clearer than ever before. We are reminded of Jesus’ story in Luke 16 of the rich man who went to Hades with his memory intact. He knew his family on earth, pleading, "I have five brothers" (v. 28). Death does not change what we know. Our personality will go on with the same information we have stored in our mind today.
Think back to your background: your parents, brothers, sisters, family reunions. You will remember all of this and more in heaven. Do you actually suspect you might know less in heaven than you do on earth? Unthinkable!
Once in heaven we will soon meet a host of others; some known to us in this life or through the pages of church history, others nameless in this world but equally honored in the world to come. On the Mount of Transfiguration, three of the disciples met Moses and Elijah (Matt. 17:1-8). So far as we know, there was no need for introductions; no need for nametags. In heaven there will be intuitive knowledge, for our minds will be redeemed from the limitations sin imposed upon them.
PERSONAL FEELINGS CONTINUE
Dear widow, your husband who is in heaven continues to love you as he did on earth. Today he loves you with a fonder, sweeter, purer love. It is a love purified by God. Your child loves you; so do your mother and father. There is no more a break in love than there is in continuity of thought.
Christ made it clear that we will not marry in heaven nor be given in marriage (Matt. 22:30). Still, we will retain our female and male genders. Your mother will be known as your mother in heaven; your son or daughter will be known as a member of your earthly family. I like what Chet Bitterman said after his missionary son was killed by guerrillas: "We have eight children. And they all are living: One’s in heaven, and seven are on earth."
Our love for God will intensify. Here at last, we can love God without distractions, for faith has given way to sight. We will keep loving whatever we loved on earth, apart from sin. In heaven our affections will be as they were on earth, except more so.
Think of your purest joy on earth; then multiply that many times, and you might catch a glimpse of heaven’s euphoria. Even in the Old Testament, David knew enough to write, "In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore"
(Psalm 16:11 nkjv).
What about sorrow? Yes, there will be sorrow until God wipes away every tear from our eyes (Rev. 7:17). When we think of the opportunities we squandered; when we consider how imperfectly we loved Christ on earth, we will grieve. Such sorrow will vanish, but for now the reality of what could have been will dawn on us.
PERSONAL ACTIVITIES CONTINUE
In heaven we will rest, but it is not the rest of inactivity. We will most probably continue many of the same kinds of activities we knew on earth. Artists will create art as never before; the scientist might be invited to continue his exploration of God’s magnificent creation. The musicians will perform music; all of us will continue to learn.
The famous Puritan writer Jonathan Edwards believed the saints in heaven would begin by contemplating God’s providential care of the church on earth and then move on to other aspects of the divine plan and thus "the ideas of the saints shall increase to eternity."
We can be sure that we will be the same people we were on earth; the same thoughts, feelings, and desires. Though our struggles with sin will be over, we will be aware of who we really are. There will be no doubt in our minds that we have just moved from one place to another.
The "real you" will be there. You will have a body. The question is what kind of body.
WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM
At the final resurrection, we will have an eternal body like that of Christ. "We know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is" (1 John 3:2). The continuity between Christ’s earthly and heavenly body was clear to see; for example, the nail prints were in His hands. The disciples recognized Him instantly, and He even ate fish with them (Luke 24: 36-43). But there were also radical changes. He was able to travel from one place to another without physical effort and went through doors without opening them.
Evidently we too shall be able to travel effortlessly. Just as Christ could be in Galilee and then suddenly appear in Judea, so we shall be free from the limitations of terrestrial travel. That does not mean, of course, that we will be omnipresent as God is; we will be limited to one place at one time. But travel will be swift and effortless.
To the delight of many people, we shall still eat — not because we are hungry, but because we will delight in the fellowship it affords. After His resurrection, Christ ate fish with His disciples in Jerusalem and prepared a meal for them on the shores of Galilee (John 21:9-13). Of course believers will be present at the marriage supper of the Lamb (Rev. 19:7). Read Revelation 21 and 22 to capture a glimpse of the New Jerusalem.
BETTER BY FAR
Paul had no illusions as to whether heaven was better than earth. He was itching to depart and to be with Christ which "is better by far" (Phil. 1:23). Even our heroic attempts to extend our life by a few days with respirators and other high-tech equipment would seem unnecessary if we could see what awaits us.
Only on this side of the curtain is death our enemy. Just beyond the curtain the monster turns out to be our friend. The label death is still on the bottle; but the contents are "life eternal." Death is our friend because it reminds us that heaven is near.
How near? As near as a heartbeat; as near as an auto accident; as near as a stray bullet; as near as a plane crash. If our eyes could see the spirit world, we might find we are already at its gates.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 6:57:30 PM
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Thanks, earthless. Do you know who wrote this?
. . . and will you tell us if you know? 
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 8:11:48 PM
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earthless, Do you happen to know which issue of Moody magazine? I used to take it and saved quite a few of them so might actually have the hard copy on hand. Anyway, I guess I didn't comment earlier but I really appreciated this article. . . which must mean I either didn't read it or was not in the magazine when I was taking it because my memory is pretty good. Thanks for your help, LL
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 8:13:05 PM
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earthless, Do you happen to know which issue of Moody magazine? I used to take it and saved quite a few of them so might actually have the hard copy on hand. Anyway, I guess I didn't comment earlier but I really appreciated this article. . . which must mean I either didn't read it or was not in the magazine when I was taking it because my memory is pretty good. Thanks for your help, LL
I will see if I can find the issue at home.. it also had an excellent counterpart in that same issue entitled, 'The Agonies of Hell'. I wonder if it would be OK to post that here as well.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/11/2008 11:40:45 PM
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I will see if I can find the issue at home.. it also had an excellent counterpart in that same issue entitled, 'The Agonies of Hell'. I wonder if it would be OK to post that here as well.
I FOUND IT! Before I headed for bed, I ran up to my library upstairs to see if I could locate these articles. It was the second Moody Magazine I looked at!!!!! Volume 101, May/June 2001 The Glories of Heaven and The Agonies of Hell were both written by Erwin Lutzer. 
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/12/2008 7:57:36 AM
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I will caution...while insightful and imaginitaive, there is no guarentee these opinions are any more or less than just that...opinion.
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/12/2008 8:03:46 AM
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Since heaven is eternal are we even gonna keep time? I mean will the word "year" even mean anything?
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/12/2008 9:05:46 PM
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Awesome.. and shame on me that I would not recognize the writing style of my current mentor and pastor.
Oh, and I will confess how I covet that. . . to have one of the 'greats' as your mentor/pastor.
He is truly an amazing person that God uses for His glory. But I have to confess how I sorely miss my past and first mentor, but I know he is now walking with Jesus in His presence.
Someone asked me to print the counter-part to that first piece. So I called him and he did not have a problem with it:
"The Agonies of Hell
I received a call from a distraught family who wanted a minister to do a quick funeral. "We don’t want anything religious," the son told me, "and nothing you do will be too short." The family did not attend church or believe in God. They called me because one relative thought a minister should be present. I made a deal with him. Yes, I would be brief, and yes, I would not comment on the beliefs (or non-beliefs) of his father. Still, I would share what I believe about death in general and Jesus Christ in particular. How shall we describe the eternal existence of this man, and millions like him who die without the protection of Christ’s righteousness? What shall we say about the sufferings of hell?
A PLACE OF SUFFERING
Three different words in the New Testament describe hell. The first is hades, translated "hell" in the King James Version. Most newer versions leave it untranslated, because it means the same as the Old Testament sheol, the shadowy region of departed spirits. Sheol, or hades, appears to have two compartments, as seen in the story Jesus told about the rich man and Lazarus. After death, the rich man was in torment; the other in a state of bliss. They could speak to one another, but between them a great gulf was fixed (Luke 16:26).
Most important, the rich man was fully conscious after death. Memory, speaking, pain, and regret — all were a part of his experience. He said nothing about how unfair it was that he should suffer. Repentance, he knew, was what his brothers needed to avoid joining him in his misery. He begged that Lazarus be sent back to his father’s house, "for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment" (v. 28).
Since Jesus’ ascension, I believe that those who have faith in Him go directly to heaven and no longer exist alongside the souls of the unbelieving dead in hades. Yet it appears that today hades is still the abode of the unbelieving dead. Eventually, hades will be thrown into the lake of fire, that is hell (Rev. 20:14).
A second Greek word is tartarus, used in 2 Peter 2:4 for the abode of evil angels who sinned in the time of Noah. "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell." In Jude 6 the word is used similarly.
The third and most often used New Testament word for hell is gehenna. Familiar to Jews before Christ’s time, it derives from the Hebrew "Valley of Ben Hinnom" where some Jews had sacrificed humans to pagan deities (2 Kings 23:10). There the city’s garbage was thrown, where it bred worms. That explains why Christ referred to hell as a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:43-48). To the Jewish mind this was an apt description of the ultimate fate of all idolaters. Thus the word became applied to the ultimate gehenna.
For years liberal scholars taught (and some sentimentalists still do) that Christ, who emphasized God’s love, could never be party to the doctrine of hell. Yet of the 12 times gehenna is used in the New Testament, all but one came from the mouth of our Lord. Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven.
What will the suffering of hell be like? We must guard against undue speculation, since the Scriptures do not describe the torments of hell in specifics. We must not fall into the error of the medievals who described hell with the vivid details of a guide taking tourists through a prison. Still, several clues from Scripture help us understand the suffering of hell.
A PLACE OF FIRE
First, Christ spoke of it as a place of fire. In Revelation 19, 20, and 21 (nasb) we read of "the lake of fire and brimstone." Yes, the torments of hell could include physical fire, since the bodies of those present will have been re-created and made indestructible. Yet hell is also referred to as a place of "outer darkness" (Matt. 22:13), which would seem inconsistent with a lake of blazing fire.
Another kind of "fire" might be worse than literal fire. That is the fire of unfulfilled passion, the fire of desires that are never satisfied. Perpetually burning lusts never subside, and the tortured conscience burns but is never sated or appeased. Hell, then, is the raw soul joined to an indestructible body, exposed to its own sin for eternity.
Hell is the place of unquenchable, raging, unmet emotional needs, without painkillers or sedation. Hell is a place of eternal regret.
A PLACE OF ABANDONMENT
Second, the most terrifying suffering of hell will be the sense of abandonment, the knowledge that one must live with an eternity of loneliness and regret. "They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power"
(2 Thess. 1:9).
C.S. Lewis believed there would not be communication in hell, because it was a place of solitude. Jonathan Edwards taught that if unbelievers are next to one another, they will only add to each other’s agony through expressions of hatred, accusations, and curses.
Of one thing we can be certain: No comfort will be derived from the presence of others. Consumed with the torment of raging, unforgiven sin, those in hell will never find comfort again. Hell is a place of shame and everlasting contempt (Dan. 12:2).
Though the 13th-century poet Dante added many of his own ideas to the superstitions of his day when he wrote his Inferno, the sign he envisioned in the vestibule of hell portrays the biblical teaching of hopelessness and abandonment: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here." Entering hell is easy enough. All that one has to do is neglect Christ, the only One who can save us. Exiting is impossible.
Unbelievers are said to be tormented in the presence of Christ and the holy angels (Rev. 14:10). Nothing is said about whether other people behold the sufferings of the damned, though God often invites righteous people or angels to behold the judgment He inflicts upon the wicked (Psalm 46:8-9; Isa. 66:23-24; Rev. 19:17-21).
British preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon wrote, "If there be one thing in hell worse than another, it will be seeing the saints in heaven. … Husband, there is your wife in heaven, and you are among the damned. And do you see your father? Your child is before the throne, and you accursed of God and man are in hell!"
If believers witness these events, we can be sure we will agree completely with the justice displayed by God, for then we shall see all things from His point of view. Thus, the righteous can enjoy the bliss of heaven knowing full well the fate of the wicked in hell.
A PLACE OF PUNISHMENT
Third, realize that degrees of punishment exist in hell (Luke 12:48). Each day of every life will be analyzed in minute detail. The hidden thoughts and motives of each hour will be replayed, along with all the actions and attitudes. The words spoken in secret will be made public, the intentions of the heart displayed for all to see. Yet the sufferers will have no attorney to whom they may appeal, no loopholes by which they can escape. Nothing but bare, indisputable facts.
I believe that the balance of justice will be so accurate that a pornographer will wish he had never published such material; a thief will wish he had earned an honest living; and an adulterer will regret that he lived an immoral life. Faithfulness to his marriage vows would not have earned him a place in heaven, to be sure, but it would have made his existence in hell slightly more bearable.
Jonathan Edwards said the reason we find hell so offensive is because of our insensitivity to sin. What if, from God’s viewpoint, the greatness of sin is determined by the greatness of the One against whom it is committed? Then the guilt of sin is infinite because it is a violation of the character of an infinite Being. What if, in the nature of God, it is deemed that such infinite sins deserve an infinite penalty, a penalty no one can ever repay?
Hell exists because unbelievers are eternally guilty. The powerful lesson to learn is that no human being’s suffering can ever be a payment for sin. If our suffering could erase even the most insignificant sin, then those in hell would eventually be freed after their debt was paid. But all human goodness and suffering from the beginning of time, if added together, could not cancel so much as a single sin.
Sir Francis Newport, a 17th-century English nobleman who ridiculed Christianity, is quoted as saying these terrifying words on his deathbed:
"Oh, that I was to lie a thousand years upon the fire that never is quenched, to purchase the favor of God, and be united to him again! But it is a fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years would bring me no nearer to the end of my torments than one poor hour. Oh, eternity, eternity! forever and forever! Oh, the insufferable pangs of hell!"
He was quite right in saying a million years in hell could not purchase salvation. Tragically, he did not cast himself upon the mercy of God in Christ. Because no man’s works or sufferings can save him, he must bear the full weight of his sin throughout eternity.
A PLACE WITHOUT HOPE
Despite the torments of hell, we should not think unbelievers would be happier in heaven. If transported into the presence of the Lord, they would flee as far as possible from the One whom they have refused to love. Because they have a fallen nature, the holiness of God would be terrifying. Rather than repent, they would, like those experiencing the Tribulation, vent their anger and curses. "They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him" (Rev. 16:9).
Jonathan Edwards pointed out that those in hell will have no reason to hope that after they have been in the flames many ages, God will take pity and release them. God, he says, will be no more inclined to release them after a million ages than He was at the very first moment. Little wonder, Edwards said, that any description we give of hell can be but a faint representation of the reality!
It’s sobering to realize that the rich man in Hades has not yet received the drop of water for which he so desperately longed. As you read this, he is still there awaiting the final judgment of the lake of fire. Eternity endures, and it endures forever.
Thank God, He has provided a way of escape; for in Christ we can be shielded from the wrath to come!
-Dr. Erwin Lutzer"
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/12/2008 10:05:16 PM
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Great articles!
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/13/2008 3:26:03 PM
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"British preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon wrote, "If there be one thing in hell worse than another, it will be seeing the saints in heaven. … Husband, there is your wife in heaven, and you are among the damned. And do you see your father? Your child is before the throne, and you accursed of God and man are in hell!"
If believers witness these events, we can be sure we will agree completely with the justice displayed by God, for then we shall see all things from His point of view. Thus, the righteous can enjoy the bliss of heaven knowing full well the fate of the wicked in hell."
Earthless: Next time you see Dr. Erwin Lutzer ask him what he makes of the above passage.
We humans can be really evil, yet in our evilness we have compassion. We would be totally heartbroken to be in Heaven and see a relative we love in hell. Would God be happy to see us heartbroken?
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/13/2008 3:36:59 PM
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"British preacher Charles Haddon Spurgeon wrote, "If there be one thing in hell worse than another, it will be seeing the saints in heaven. … Husband, there is your wife in heaven, and you are among the damned. And do you see your father? Your child is before the throne, and you accursed of God and man are in hell!"
If believers witness these events, we can be sure we will agree completely with the justice displayed by God, for then we shall see all things from His point of view. Thus, the righteous can enjoy the bliss of heaven knowing full well the fate of the wicked in hell."
Earthless: Next time you see Dr. Erwin Lutzer ask him what he makes of the above passage.
We humans can be really evil, yet in our evilness we have compassion. We would be totally heartbroken to be in Heaven and see a relative we love in hell. Would God be happy to see us heartbroken?
There is no sorrow in Heaven - no tears, etc..
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/13/2008 3:48:24 PM
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If I had to pick an age it would be the age Jesus was at Crusifiction.
Good thought but what about those who died younger? Do you think God chose this age for Christ for a reason... I think so
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/13/2008 5:38:24 PM
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Earthless,
I note what you're saying. How would you feel when in Heaven you see a close relative in hell? No tears? No sorrows?
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RE: Age in Heaven? - 8/13/2008 5:40:28 PM
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Earthless,
I note what you're saying. How would you feel when in Heaven you see a close relative in hell? No tears? No sorrows?
If the Bible says that there will be no sorrow.. then what can I tell you.
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