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RE: Angry with God - 8/15/2008 12:55:38 PM
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Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
TourchHeart, I hope this scripture will be a blessing to you.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/15/2008 1:49:22 PM
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You are right. Damning those people is not an edifying thing to do. It is wrong. And God knows it is wrong. So why did I say it?
I've often been accused of being pragmatic, practical, almost clinical in my outlook. And that's what I'm doing here.
Sorry, this attitude is just not right. A person may feel that way, but damming anyone is not the right thing to do and I am sure Torchheart knows that.
So, why you come on this thread and advise him in so ill a manner, says more about how you feel than him.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/15/2008 1:53:07 PM
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TorchHeart
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With all due respect (and I have plenty of it for you), isn't this thread for everyone to say how they've felt? It seems that a lot of people have been telling me how they feel or have felt when it comes to being angry with God in their lives. And more people than just me have gotten advice or comments about that kind of thing.
I know what's right and wrong as much as anyone else. And this is how mvic feels.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/15/2008 4:14:41 PM
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I have to say, in reference to other people hurting us, it boils down to whether or not we trust God to vindicate us and avenge us.
Romans 12 v 19-21:
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
If we don't trust Him to do that, we need to ask ourselves why, and take that to Him too.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/15/2008 5:31:45 PM
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TorchHeart, I can so identify with what you are feeling right now, though for decidedly different circumstances. I have been hurt by people in my surroundings and struggle with forgiveness on a regular basis. Recently, events have occurred that have rocked me to my core, both spiritually and emotionally. I finished a terminal degree (hence my name) last year which I believed God had called me to complete. I did not need this degree to make a living, but felt strongly (in 2002) that God was calling me to teach in the university in a graduate program (my discipline is a graduate only discipline, not being arrogant to expect more than I ought). I spent 6 years of my kids' growing up years in school expecting that God would have a position for me at the end. I just completed my second year of job hunting, to no avail. I am angry, I am confused, I am disappointed, I am discouraged. I do not understand why God sent me back to school if I am not to be given a position in which to use this degree. My family and I have sacrificed much in finances and, especially, time together (I had to commute a long distance to go to school and missed a lot of my kids' special events while traveling back and forth to class). I am so doubting my spiritual sensitivity at this point in my life. Was I so off the track that I have made the wrong decision to complete my education? Did I miss something? One of my colleagues who graduated with me had a job before she walked the stage. Another had one within weeks thereafter. Neither of them are believers. I look at that and I wonder why I am left in the lurch, no job, and facing a job search in academia which is a brutal process. I have been on the limbo swing so long I don't know what solid ground feels like any more and I am so sick of the motion. I can see the "self" that is in my writing and I know the answers from scripture. I have heard all of the platitudes and if I hear "I'm sorry for you but I'm glad you're not moving" one more time I shall go mad. I have read this entire thread. Many things said have rung true for me. But I find myself resisting, or is it resisting? I don't know how to place full trust in God any more. I have tried to do that this year. Three times I rejoiced that the process had gotten as far as campus interviews (means you are in the top two) and three times I have been bypassed. I am doubting myself, I am doubting my abilities (which my colleagues have told me are better than others who have gotten jobs), I am wondering why God continues to allow this process go on. Mostly, I am so tired. The emotional rollercoaster is much to handle. I'm sorry I don't have much in the way of encouragement for you Torch, I guess I am just identifying with the anguish you are going through. I know who God is, I know how much he loves me, I know what he's done for me both in the act of redemption and in many times I have seen his hand move in my life, I'm just at a point in my life where I feel like I have lost sight of Him and what He is doing here. Jer 29:11 has been my theme verse through all of this and still is, but I'm having more and more trouble figuring out how on earth to understand what has happened. I am open to any suggestions from others on this forum and would welcome your prayers. How do I learn to trust again?
BTW, You can love God and be angry with Him. Jesus was angry in the temple; did He love those he was angry with any less? Did He sin by showing that anger to them? I think not.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/15/2008 6:03:06 PM
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Welcome Doc08
Lord, I just lift up Doc08 to You. Father You know all that he/she has been through. Lord You know how discouraged he/she is right now. Help him/her to see You at work all around him/her. Help him/ her to draw closer to You than he/she has ever been. So close that everything around him/her grows strangly dim. Even this job search Lord. Lift Doc08 up. I ask that You would guide him/her to the right job. The one where You can use him or her to Your glory. Thank You for loving us so Lord. In Jesus precious name. Amen
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RE: Angry with God - 8/15/2008 6:51:50 PM
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It is possible to be angry with God and yet love Him. I was ticked off angry at God a few years ago. Basically in the same position as Torch. Why won't He change things for me?? But thank God almighty, He changed ME, not the situation. Then as my faith grew in Him, my situation DID change. God is soooo very good!!!!!
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A Pharisee asked Jesus, ""Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied in Matthew 22:37, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."
I believe it is possible to be angry with God and still love Him.
Just as it is possible for my children to be angry with me and still love me. When my children are angry with me, I encourage them to come to me and talk to me about how they feel. I believe God is the same. I believe that the kind of anger that is dangerous is the kind where the person goes and hides and dwells on it. But the kind of anger where the person goes to God and beats their fists on His chest before collapsing into tears and falling into His embrace is healthy and wholesome. And I don't believe God minds that kind at all.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/16/2008 12:49:12 AM
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TorchHeart
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TorchHeart, earlier this evening I came across yet another prayer from you earlier (and I'm not searching your posts; I just happen to be in these threads).
I want you to know that your prayers show that you have a very compassionate heart.
That is such a wonderful quality.
Just keep hanging on to Our Lord and giving him the hurts you feel; He WILL see you through this.
I know He will. Its just a matter of how that I'm afraid is going to kill me.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/16/2008 5:02:18 AM
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I know He will. Its just a matter of how that I'm afraid is going to kill me.
TorchHeart,
Why do you think it will kill you? He has your good in mind, not your harm. He knows how fragile your heart is, and just wants to hold you in His arms and comfort you.
Isaish 42v3: A bruised reed he will not break, and a smouldering wick he will not snuff out.
Jeremiah 29 v 11: For I know the plans I have for you declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
I pray that He will come to you and show you His grace, show you how much He loves you, unreservedly. That you will know that there isn't anything you could do to make Him love you more, or make Him love you less. I pray that you will know that He isn't out to get you, isn't punishing you, but that you will know deep down in your heart how loved and accepted you are, how much He delights in you.
Ever read "Reaching for the Invisible God" by Philip Yancey?
It might help.
Here is a link reviewing it:
"Reaching for the Invisible God"
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The book is written in six parts. The title of Part One, Thirst: Our Longing for God, might appear to promise a conventional treatment of spirituality, but the title of Part Two better captures its theme and the tone; it is called Faith: When God Seems Absent, Indifferent, or Even Hostile. While he goads Christians to passionately pursue a relationship with their God, Yancey faces up to all the doubts, mysteries, disappointments, failures, frustrations and anguish which such a quest can entail. He is relentlessly realistic, and devastatingly scathing about easy answers and shallow platitudes.
Oh and btw, and a bit further down it says "Yancey freely quotes from Roman Catholic writers .." 
He has also written "What's so Amazing about Grace?" and "The Jesus I Never Knew". I honesty think they might really help.
take care.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/16/2008 4:44:08 PM
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TorchHeart,
Why do you think it will kill you? He has your good in mind, not your harm. He knows how fragile your heart is, and just wants to hold you in His arms and comfort you.
I just do. Let's just say that I have a bad idea of some of what's coming for me, and how God will try and resolve things for me. I hope I'm wrong with some of it. At this time, I dont think He cares how "fragile" my heart might be. If He did, some of this wouldn't be happening to me.
(And looking back at some of this, if I become any more cryptic-sounding, I think I'm going to audition for the part of a narrorator in a comic book series.)
< Message edited by TorchHeart -- 8/17/2008 5:14:48 PM >
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RE: Angry with God - 8/17/2008 9:41:02 PM
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At this time, I dont think He cares how "fragile" my heart might be. If He did, some of this wouldn't be happening to me.
Oh, I think He cares plenty:
Job 13:15 Though he slay me, I will hope in him
Jer 29:11-14 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. (12) Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. (13) You will seek me and find me. When you seek me with all your heart, (14) I will be found by you, declares the LORD, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the LORD, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.
Php 4:11-13 Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content. (12) I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. (13) I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
Keep up the prayers, praises, and worship of our God and King ... you may not like the medicine, but when it is over what God has in mind for you will be better than today.
Blessings ...
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RE: Angry with God - 8/17/2008 11:22:31 PM
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TorchHeart
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Trust me on this one. Its a long story. But thank you.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/18/2008 5:10:01 AM
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At this time, I dont think He cares how "fragile" my heart might be. If He did, some of this wouldn't be happening to me.
Of course He does - are you saying that that Scripture applies to everyone else except you??!
I am wondering why you seem to insist on taking what happens in your life so personally.
It's as if you think God is out to get you, and sits there planning everything in your life to bring you down.
You know, sometimes things do just happen - we live in a fallen world, surrounded by other fallen image bearers, and because of that, fallen things do just happen.
I also wonder if it's to do with the image of God that you have - perhaps of some cold immovable old guy with a stick, just waiting for you to make a mistake so that he can thwack you? Rather than of a loving Father who cherishes you and delights in you .....
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RE: Angry with God - 8/18/2008 9:57:21 AM
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TorchHeart
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Of course He does - are you saying that that Scripture applies to everyone else except you??!
I do not believe I'm saying that, no. But I do believe that He has other priorities compared to my simple issues and other people that He's going to watch over first. And with what I'm dealing with, He's going to over-look my prayers and issues, and address them over me.
I feel like He put me in a position to make a difference in someone's life. And either I failed, or I'm now obsolete, so to speak. And God's going to let me be cast aside. Am I making sense here?
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I am wondering why you seem to insist on taking what happens in your life so personally.
It's as if you think God is out to get you, and sits there planning everything in your life to bring you down.
I also wonder if it's to do with the image of God that you have - perhaps of some cold immovable old guy with a stick, just waiting for you to make a mistake so that he can thwack you? Rather than of a loving Father who cherishes you and delights in you .....
I don't know if its necessarily "out to get me." Sometimes, mabye. Not a priority? I know I'm seen as someone who can take punishment/abuse/pain. And I can handle that. This is just something different. I believe He loves me, I just don't always see that loving Father.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/18/2008 11:36:06 AM
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I do not believe I'm saying that, no. But I do believe that He has other priorities compared to my simple issues and other people that He's going to watch over first.
Where do you get that belief from? My experience of God is that He cares about even the small things in my life. And it's Scriptural (Matthew 10 v 29-31)
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And with what I'm dealing with, He's going to over-look my prayers and issues, and address them over me.
I love the way you think you've worked out how God will work.  When we pray, the answer is either Yes, No or Wait. It's never "You're going to be overlooked".
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I feel like He put me in a position to make a difference in someone's life. And either I failed, or I'm now obsolete, so to speak. And God's going to let me be cast aside. Am I making sense here?
No, because unless there is sin involved, and He wants you to step aside (which is not the same as being cast aside), that's not how God works.
Oh and by the way, you're important, but not that important. If something is God's will, and He gives us something to do and we mess up, He will get someone else in to do it. We're not indispensable, and His Will WILL be done, in spite of us sometimes.
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I don't know if its necessarily "out to get me." Sometimes, mabye.
He just doesn't do that. If we sin, then sometimes the only way to bring us back is to allow us to eat the fruits of our own ways (ie reap the consequences), but that's not being out to get us, it's letting us learn and cause and effect.
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I know I'm seen as someone who can take punishment/abuse/pain.
Shall I throw another log on the fire? Hit you again?! Or bring in the Spanish Inquisition? (I bet you didn't expect that)
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I believe He loves me, I just don't always see that loving Father.
I believe it will help you with this whole situation if you take some time to look at this, to work out WHY you don't. It's certainly not going to be on His side, for that would be against His nature.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/18/2008 11:48:20 AM
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Manda is talking sense.
God does not use people then cast them aside as useless machinery. He does not punish people either for failing to do a task properly. He is not a task-master setting targets and keeping score of our progress.
God knows our failings (He's got me as an example) and He forgives. Over and over again. More than seventy times seven even.
The offer from God is there. Go to Him and He'll welcome you with open arms - like the story of the Prodigal Son.
The decision is yours. He's waiting.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/18/2008 11:52:01 AM
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I DIDN'T FAIL!
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