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RE: Being Christ like - 8/10/2008 9:55:09 AM
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mvic
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Ok - let's get back on topic.
Deliveredarling: You say "I just don't think I have the power to change God's mind or sway a decision of His, one way or the other. Besides that, why would I want to, knowing that the Father only gives good gifts to His children. Wouldn't what I want as the outcome be far less than what the Father has already deemed necessary?"
If we can't sway His decision, then why ask Him for special help when we're in trouble; why ask Him to help someone who is very sick? Why pray at all?
Why not just say "Thy will be done" and wait to see what He does.
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RE: Being Christ like - 8/10/2008 10:36:35 AM
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deliveredarling
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Why not just say "Thy will be done" and wait to see what He does.
Most of the time, that's exactly what I do.
His ways are not my ways. I pray for people all the time, but what it turns out to be, is more requesting that He help me cope with the situation in the way He would have me to, by being Christ like. Getting to the point of acceptance, no matter what the outcome is. Completely trusting that His hand is in the situation. Praying for Him to remove any selfish motives and replacing them with trust in Him alone.
I can want someone to change or some situation to change and pray that those changes occur. The thing is, that's praying for what I want, for the outcome to be satisfactory to me, when I do/have done that, the focus is not on what God's will is, but what my will is.
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RE: Being Christ like - 8/10/2008 5:56:51 PM
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Liveloved
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This morning in church we read from Romans 10 and I thought of this thread. Verses 2-4 say:
For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Now if we can throw out everything we think we know or have been taught about the pharisees (because we automatically exclude ourselves from verses like this and set up a them versus us/me thinking in our minds) and think about what Paul is saying here and our discussion of being Christlike, I ask:
What are we doing pursuing Christlikeness?
Isn't that a denial of verse four that says Christ in the END of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes?
Isn't our pursuit of Christlikeness a zeal for God that lacks the knowledge that we ARE righteous as verse four clearly says?
Aren't those who are pursuing righteousness by being Christlike denying the very righteousness they claim to believe?
I ask because I see how very much our pursuit of Christlikeness, His righteousness, is exactly the same thing as what the pharisees were doing. They were righteous, good and blameless people. But their pursuit of righteousness was the problem. They did not know that their pursuit could never be good enough. Nor can ours.
It is only when I truly believe that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness FOR ME and get off the treadmill of trying to be good (establishing a righteousness of my own) that I am living as God would have me. Then Christ can live out His life in me because I'm surrendered, not trying to do it for Him.
This is the FREEDOM we were meant to experience.
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RE: Being Christ like - 8/10/2008 6:28:48 PM
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deliveredarling
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That post sounds like a complete 360 for you LL.
Who are you referring to being on a treadmill?
Pursuing righteousness....that would be of my own effort.
Sure there are things I do not do because I know God would not approve. I don't not do them in order to appear righteous, I don't do them out of love and respect for my Father.
The only us and them is believers and non-believers. In that case, there is a definite difference between us. We have a special place set aside for us and so do they.....
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RE: Being Christ like - 8/10/2008 9:08:42 PM
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Liveloved
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That post sounds like a complete 360 for you LL.
Really?!?! Not from my perspective, DD. That post is a basic part of my message all the time, everywhere, to everyone. I am not good and I can't be good. But I can repent. I can come into the light, see my badness, confess my badness and that is what God wants from me. That is what walking with Him in the light is all about---seeing Him and His righteousness and seeing me and my unrighteousness and my confessing my badness and need for Him and thanking Him every day, moment by moment, for being my righteousness.
That's my story. If that's not what you've heard from me, either I haven't communicated well or you haven't heard and understood me.
So what's the 360?
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RE: Being Christ like - 8/10/2008 9:43:40 PM
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deliveredarling
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I didn't mean it in a negative sense. I understood your post to mean that you understood what I was trying to say, that's all.
In other posts, I feel like you don't understand the points I try to make. I'm sure it has to do with how I convey my thoughts. You convey thoughts very well. I don't always do that in an eloquent fashion.
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RE: Being Christ like - 8/11/2008 12:39:32 AM
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Liveloved
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I didn't mean it in a negative sense. I understood your post to mean that you understood what I was trying to say, that's all.
In other posts, I feel like you don't understand the points I try to make. I'm sure it has to do with how I convey my thoughts. You convey thoughts very well. I don't always do that in an eloquent fashion.
Funny---how we understand or 'mis'understand so easily. But isn't this a huge lesson in living in relationship whether we're talking about our relationship with Jesus or a spouse or friend? We can so easily not get what the other person is saying, make assumptions, and then respond out of all of what isn't---in other words, we respond to what they haven't said or meant.
That's true in the spiritual realm as well. How much do we truly understand of what Jesus is saying or what God wants to teach us? How many times have we started from wrong assumptions?
Anyway, it is fun getting to know you, DD. The two of us come at things very differently but that's the beauty of God's creative power---and through it He teaches us to listen, to learn, to appreciate and sometimes struggle and when it's all said and done, we'll be standing arm in arm praising Jesus for eternity. And that makes me very happy to think about. Bless you dear sister!  LL
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RE: Being Christ like - 8/11/2008 11:44:17 AM
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There are alot of Christians that some how think that because Jesus has come into their lives that they will produce fruit or even experience fruits of the spirit. All of this without being rooted in Christ. Jesus uses several views of teaching, to teach us that progress is based upon willing to listen and be open to his teachings, not the look at me thing. Some views are of seeds and in them they must go through a period of time when growing are underground being developed in darkness some what, that before breaking the understanding of our faith in the light we are to learn give up of yourselves(right). But that in itself is the beginning of being rooted in Christ, he is the vine we are the branches. Another view that Jesus brings out is when building a house there must first be a foundation, which with out we could not builded. But if that foundation is not right(timber). But in order to lay his foundation he must through trial and trib, get rid of our foundation in the flesh, and even Christians think that Jesus will build over the old foundation, but in fact he has to remove the old for the new. Then we will start to learn to grow in his will, and the Father's will is that we change into his son's image.(Disciple)
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