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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 12:02:03 PM   
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I have nothing to object u because i m in at least 3000 km from the zone of conflict, and get info only from our media which unfortunately are not worthy of confidence.
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 12:05:37 PM   
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^^^ok, Kapa_brn, where do you live??? for by this, I can determine your media source.

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 12:10:02 PM   
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if it assures you, we are praying for you all

Thank you veeery much.


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another question to ask is: what do all of the other countries think about this? France??? Great Britain??? Australia???

President of France is arriving tomorrow. Ministers of foreing affairs of France and Finland were here today and they saw our places which were bombed by Russia, they were very anxious and told Russia to cease fire immediatley but....no reslut :(. EVEN MORE: when these officials were visiting Gori ( one of our bombed cities) they were attacked by a Russian plain and they hardly escaped. At United Nations meeting yesterday Russia was warned and blaimed in aggression towards Georgia and in the attaempt to change the government of Georgia, namely presidnt Saakashvili, elected by democrated elections EVEN MORE, they opened the second front in Abkhazia on the black sea side, which is 4000 km away from the conflict zone. They entered in Zugdidi ( city of Georgia) and they are moving farther on. They were warned but again with no result. It seems everyone supports us but Russia continues....

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soon, and hopefully, there will be diplomacy.
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 12:25:25 PM   
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This post can also be addressed 2georgian_.
"I have nothing to object u because i m in at least 3000 km from the zone of conflict, and get info only from our media which unfortunately are not worthy of confidence."
2huskarine
I live in Barnaul, small town in Siberia, but, on the level, i didn't understand why u need it (as i told, im not good in english).
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 1:27:39 PM   
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thanks for the honest reply in that your media is not the most worthy of trust...(neither is ours, but that's a different story)...

I will conclude here in the fact that I don't know enough in order to make a judgement...I will let my leaders make that call and history will once again serve it's purpose...hopefully, we will learn from it...

anyways, and this goes out to everybody...pray. Pray for your friends as well as enemies.

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 2:26:43 PM   
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So, breaking news is that russian tanks are moving to Tbilisi, in few hours they will come here, i have this informaion!!!! I hope, i pray tht it was not true!, Ill write when I have time, I hope I l be able to write.
Thanks

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 2:45:52 PM   
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I will pray for the citizens of Georgia who are under attack from the dreadful Russian warmongers.
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 3:31:45 PM   
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Its all very confusing to me but if the people of south Ossetia want to belong to Russia,, let them have a referendum vote saying so...

If the majority want to leave well,, let them,, but those who want to stay citizens of Georgia can.
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 3:45:55 PM   
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Reminds me of a certain civil war here in the USA a while back....

Russia has now cut Georgia in HALF. They are aggressors bent on restoring the Union. After Georgia, who will be next? Poland? Romania?

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 4:58:39 PM   
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Well, I've also heard that Russian troops secured the strategic port city of Poti, quite possibly the most important gateway to and from the oil-rich Caucuses... This almost reminds me of WWII history, involving one city formerly called Stalingrad.*
*some oil fields south(?) of the legendary city-siege war.

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 4:59:01 PM   
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Please do keep us posted if you can. I most certainly hope to be hearing from you.

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 5:01:59 PM   
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I just heard from FNC's Your World With Neil Cavuto, saying that the Russians denies having Poti under their control, if memory serves me correctly. This just in a minute or two ago...

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 5:04:09 PM   
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BBC has a breakdown of the conflict here:

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What triggered the latest crisis?

Tension has risen since the election of President Saakashvili in 2004. He offered South Ossetia dialogue and autonomy within a single Georgian state - but in 2006 South Ossetians voted in an unofficial referendum to press their demands for complete independence.

In April 2008 Nato said Georgia would be allowed to join the alliance at some point - angering Russia, which opposes the eastward expansion of Nato. Weeks later, Russia stepped up ties with the separatists in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

In July Russia admitted its fighter jets entered Georgian airspace over South Ossetia to "cool hot heads in Tbilisi". Occasional clashes escalated, until six people were reportedly killed by Georgian shelling. Attempts to reach a ceasefire stuttered.




Q&A: Violence in South Ossetia

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 6:43:26 PM   
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A few things to ponder.

1. Russia's leadership will not be happy about the fact that the United States is airlifting Georgian troops from Iraq to help boost the Georgian ranks vs. the Russian forces.
2. These Georgian forces, while in Iraq, operated in an area very close to the border with Iran.
3. The fact that it is Russia, and not a country like Colombia, Paraguay, Bolivia, Nepal, Kampuchea, Ethiopia, Panama, or Eritrea doing the fighting vividly illustrates that in realpolitik, power is everything. The United States, even if it were not bogged down in two Middle Eastern quagmires, would not be launching a military offensive against a nation with the size, wealth, oil and gas resources, influence, military power, and nuclear arsenal of Russia.
4. President Mikhail Saakashvili may move westerners with shrill appeals for help and warnings about how the big-bad-evil-ex-commie/Soviets are about to destroy democracy, but Saakashvili is NO DEMOCRAT. He has charged Georgian politicians who opposed him with treason.
5. Russia did NOT draw first blood. There is controversy as to whether South Ossetians attacked Georgian territory or Georgian troops rolled in first, but the Russians entered the fray after the hostilities broke out.
6. Let the record clearly state that at least some elements of the Georgian military have engaged in acts that could possibly be adjudged to be war crimes - they have attacked a humanitarian convoy.

As I am not well-versed with the history of this region of the world, I will certainly welcome the input of Georgians and Russians who are participating here. I am not going to state an opinion on whether South Ossetia is Russian, Georgian, or neither; and, I wish to make it very clear I am hoping for an immediate cessation of hostilities. My heart goes out to those who have lost loved ones... we have seen way too many dead innocents in recent years, and as many of you know, the hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq will certainly be remembered when God sits on His throne of judgment.


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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 6:45:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bluestone

Reminds me of a certain civil war here in the USA a while back....

Russia has now cut Georgia in HALF. They are aggressors bent on restoring the Union. After Georgia, who will be next? Poland? Romania?


Nonsense.

Russia may be awash in cash and flush with confidence; this is good from their viewpoint considering the crisis they faced after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. But to think that they are willing to attack former Warsaw Pact members only because of this war is stretching it a bit. Poland and Romania are both NATO members, and while Poland and Russia did have territorial disputes, what issues similar to the South Ossetian question exists that could trigger a Russian-Romanian war?


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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 7:07:29 PM   
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THANK you very much for your support. Russians tanks are now near city Gori, there is an information that they are going to attack Tbilisi, capital. We are awaiting......and are nervous.....For tomorrow presidents of 5 countries are arriving in order to somehow force Russia stop aggression....
We are praying and waiting
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 7:40:57 PM   
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Georgian

I have noticed that the media here locally is slow to publish video or updated news. We appreciate the up to the min reports from you. If possible post any additional video or pictures time stamped and we will disseminate to help assist in the awareness of the critical situation you and your country are in.

God bless.
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 9:50:44 PM   
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of course all commies will support Russia.

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 10:35:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Georgian_

THANK you very much for your support. Russians tanks are now near city Gori, there is an information that they are going to attack Tbilisi, capital. We are awaiting......and are nervous.....For tomorrow presidents of 5 countries are arriving in order to somehow force Russia stop aggression....
We are praying and waiting



Stay safe. I don't know why, but as brutal as the Russian government can be, I have a feeling hostilities will cease soon and that you and your family will be safe.


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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/11/2008 10:37:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bluestone

of course all commies will support Russia.


Why would communists support a non-communist state?

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/12/2008 3:10:48 AM   
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How this started -

Georgia's President was emboldened by U.S support (and military training) to launch a major attack against a "breakaway" province.
The timing of this was not by accident.

When Georgia attacked the autonomous region of South Ossetia first, there was darn little mention of this in the news and none from the White House.
Only when a self-righteously angry Russia took Georgia to the woodshed did the White House speak up.

Georgia poked the Bear and the Bear bit the stick in half.

Russia, citing U.S. support for an independent Kosovo (which included attacks on Serbia), is using this reason to ensure Georgia's military will never be this adventurous again.

Georgia's President may be democratically elected, that does not mean he is sane.
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/12/2008 3:50:36 AM   
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I see you seem to ignore that Russia has funded and supported whole heartedly the dissidents in SO since the founding of Georgia.

Typical how someone like you trash a freedom loving democracy for a increasingly despotic nation, lead by a former KGB Card carrying communist who has been in some form of political power in Russia since the "fall" of the Soviet Union. The USSR never fell, it merely went into hiding. And dare i say, it is starting to take its territory back.
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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/12/2008 3:51:57 AM   
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DAVID R. STONE: KOSOVO SET A PRECEDENT
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There is a great deal of blame to go around for the disastrous war over South Ossetia. Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili deserves the greatest share, for starting a war to reassert control over South Ossetia that Russia can now finish on its own terms. The Russian government, with former president and current Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in the lead, has cynically taken the conflict Saakashvili began as a golden opportunity to flex its muscles, make Georgia an object lesson for the rest of Russia's neighbors, rally Russian voters, and tighten its grip on Georgia's breakaway South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

But in a classic example of blowback, past American policy also bears some responsibility for the mess in Caucasus.

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/12/2008 4:07:42 AM   
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But in a classic example of blowback, past American policy also bears some responsibility for the mess in Caucasus.



Sounds like Clinton policy was responsible for this.

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RE: Russia versus Georgia - 8/12/2008 4:31:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephanos

I see you seem to ignore that Russia has funded and supported whole heartedly the dissidents in SO since the founding of Georgia.

South Ossetia (Ossetic: Õóññàð Èðûñòîí, Khussar Iryston; Georgian: სამხრეთი ოსეთი, Samkhreti Oseti; Russian: Þæíàÿ Îñåòèÿ, Yuzhnaya Osetiya) is a region in the South Caucasus, formerly the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast within the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic. A part of it has been de facto independent from Georgia since it declared independence as the Republic of South Ossetia early in the 1990s during the Georgian-Ossetian conflict. The capital of the region is Tskhinvali.
The de facto independent republic governed by the secessionist government held a second independence referendum on November 12, 2006, after its first referendum in 1992 was not recognized by the international community as valid. According to the Tskhinvali election authorities, the referendum turned out a majority for independence from Georgia where 99% of South Ossetian voters supported independence and the turnout for the vote was 95%.

Calling them dissidents is laughable, or ignorant.
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Typical how someone like you trash a freedom loving democracy for a increasingly despotic nation, lead by a former KGB Card carrying communist who has been in some form of political power in Russia since the "fall" of the Soviet Union. The USSR never fell, it merely went into hiding. And dare i say, it is starting to take its territory back.

Typical how you ignore the fact that Georgia attacked first.
As for a freedom loving democracy -
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Saakashvili's tenure in Tblisi -- which began as a self-proclaimed reformist revolution -- has deteriorated into a regime marked by much of the same kind of corruption, cronyism and repression that it puported to overthrow. One of Saakashvili's partners in the revolution, Irakli Okruashvili, had a dramatic falling-out with the boss last year.

When he announced he was running for president against Saakashvili, he was arrested "and taken to Tbilisi’s notorious Isolator Number 7, the scene of well-documented torture of political prisoners since 1991," as Mark Almond of Oriel College, Oxford, noted in an article last year. After subjection to "strenuous interrogation techniques," Okruashvili "recanted" his charges against the president, and coughed up $6 million in shakedown "bail" money to win his release.

And what were Okruashvili's charges? Almond provides this quote from the former defense minister in Saakashvili’s government:

“The style of Saakashvili’s governance … has made dishonesty, injustice and oppression a way of life. Everyday repression, demolition of houses and churches, robbery, ‘kulakization’, and murders, I would stress, murders, have become common practice for the authorities.”

http://pacificfreepress.com/content/view/2930/1/

Georgia's President made a big mistake, now Georgians paying for it.
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