RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country in history?
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 3:30:53 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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The slippery-slope errors, amphigory of terms, subverted-support arguments, non sequitors, ad hominem injection of prejudicial language, compex question, false dilemma, false warnings of unacceptble consequences, slothful induction, hasty generalization, post hoc, begging the question, and straw man constitute a textbook-worthy example of muddled thinking. The process you describe simply does not equate to the conclusion you attribute to it, and all the heated rhetoric indicates that you realize it.
Please put your criticism of my post, in English instead of legaleess or some other elitist language and explain where I error, and know I error.
The last sentence, the conclusion of my argument, is simple enough. As for understanding the terms I used as contentions, all of them are defined online if you really care to know them.
Or I could simply show some mercy and quit pointing out the leaps of illogic in your arguments. That might be better all the way around.
In other words you can not, or will not backup your criticism of my post.
You can not show how my fear of what our political system is becoming-as reflected in the "Employee Free Choice Act of 2007" and the reasoning politicians are using to justify its passage- is baseless.
Dictsators rise to power through various means. Hitler rose to power by weakening and using the system already in place and through the methods that changees in the law allowed him to use.
You can not show how Washington's warning of political parties is coming true in this election year based on the efforts of elements to persuade us that there is only one person fit to be president
Not too clear on how this works, are you?
Your OP on this topic, which if you will recall decried Obama's backing of this bill as somehow a detriment to the processes of democracy, was never supported as true, as it is beholden upon you, as the framer of a positive assertion, to provide.
It is NEVER the duty of a protagonist to prove a negative (your statement is not true) because it is YOUR job to prove that it IS true.
Still, I have repeatedly proven your argument to be false, for teh simple reason that dis-requiring a SECRET vote where a NON-secret vote HAS ALREADY DECIDED THE ISSUE is not, as you claimed, a denial of the democratic process.
I even gave you a ludicrous example, and you STILL maintain the exact opposite of common sense and, truth to tell, the very priciples you are trying to defend.
Had a deal like this in my church recently. An issue was up for a vote and the congregation voted - show of hands, it was. Within ten seconds after the vote count (the matter was approved), one of the 'nays' moved to have a SECRET ballot on the exact same issue.
he was immediately ruled out of order as the matter had already - JUST - been decided by due process.
Note that this is exactly the same nonsensical procedure that you are vilifying Obama for opposing.
The only merit, if you can call it that, which I can see for the GOP position on this legislation is that by throwing YET ANOTHER impediment in the path of the democratic process of voting for unionization, it makes it more difficult for workers - people - AMERICANS - to unify in the free speech and free assembly manner provided by the Constitution, and thus makes it easier for BUSINESS to prevent unionization.
As I originally said - the GOP has one again sided with their corporate masters, and against the citizenry of America.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 7:05:29 PM
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leonfigg3
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In other words you are against discussion.
You are against discussion in the work place about the merits or demerits about unions because everyone knows how good unions are.
You are against political discussion because everyone knows that there is only one political view worthy of consideration.
A very common citizen can not possibly disagree with you, and those that see things like you, if there are they are not worth discussing anything with because they can not remotely understand your lofty beliefs and thoughts.
Till our paths cross again.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 9:00:40 PM
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huangshan
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but I appreciate his willingness to call right-wingers like Limbaugh, and Bill-O on their hokum.
Calling out Rush for being a right winger? Sounds like a waste of time to me, since Rush makes his bias known from the get go.
No, that's completely different.
Not calling Rush out for being a right-winger.
Calling him out for his hokum.
This the the same difference as "he is wrong/bad/traitorous because he is a liberal/conservative" and "he is wrong because what he says does not match reality". The first is a fallacy, the second is not.
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