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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/9/2008 4:21:03 PM
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The only thing about the Olympics that is bothering me is that it is held where religious percution is prevelent. They do not care about the christian faith, let alone if you ever utter a word about Jesus, guess what? you will be killed for your faith. I pray for those who are getting the gospel out and risking their lives for their faith.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/9/2008 5:44:36 PM
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I worry that the chinese females appear to be using steroids and am concerned with possible roid rage incidents.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/9/2008 6:05:13 PM
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The only thing about the Olympics that is bothering me is that it is held where religious percution is prevelent. They do not care about the christian faith, let alone if you ever utter a word about Jesus, guess what? you will be killed for your faith. I pray for those who are getting the gospel out and risking their lives for their faith.
That bothers me, too. I know that Christians are persecuted in China, and it also bothers me that they are diverting the water to Beijing and the farmers have no water. I have no idea how much it costs to host the Olympics, or if the sales of tickets and extra business that the tourists will bring in will pay for itself. I do know that the farmers are getting some sort of subsidy from the government since they won't be able to plant their crops this year, so at lteast they hopefully won't starve, but it just doesn't seem right to divert all the resources to one event.
However, I don't think not watching the Olympics on TV is going to help anything, and for me personally, it has prompted me to pray for China. I watch those sweet, beautiful children, and I think of the future they have there, and I just pray that God would bring China to Himself. He loves China as much as He loves the rest of us.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/9/2008 10:00:38 PM
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I generally hate the opening ceremonies, but I just sat there in awe the entire time. It was amazing.
Agreed. The parade of nations was slow (es expected), but the artistic portion of the ceremonies was beyond amazing.
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And even with all the politics and garbage that is happening in the world this is a situation where, often times, we get to see the best of people.
Also agreed.
With all the terrible things that humanity is capable of, IMO, the Olympics reflects humanity at its best in a spirit of peace and goodwill.
It's also fun to check out lesser-known sports and pull for the underdogs, esp athletes from little nations who worked so hard to reach the Olympic level.
But speaking as an ex-fencer, I was also jazzed to see the USA team sweep the women's sabre division today. 
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/9/2008 11:36:50 PM
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I worry that the chinese females appear to be using steroids and am concerned with possible roid rage incidents.
Do you have evidence for this assertion?
I watched Stephanie Rice take out our first gold today, and in excellent fashion too. Go Australia!
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/10/2008 3:03:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: gaylel1
The only thing about the Olympics that is bothering me is that it is held where religious percution is prevelent. They do not care about the christian faith, let alone if you ever utter a word about Jesus, guess what? you will be killed for your faith. I pray for those who are getting the gospel out and risking their lives for their faith.
I guess upon watching the opening ceremonies, a couple of thoughts cloud my mind:
A) the pomp and grandeur of the Beijing Games reminds me of the sort of Chinese culture that for the most part of my Chinese life, complained about: extravagant exhibitionism (i.e. funerals, wedding banquets, you name it), bordering to unintentional self-parody. In fact, given the political controversies involving China's continual implications with Tibetan suppression, their dealings with the Khartoum regime's Darfur genocidal campaign, state-sanctioned persecution of Christians, jailing of political dissent (post-Tianneman Square), and their oft-ambiguous involvement with North Korea's WMD program (hint: a buffer state via a possible puppet tyrant in Pyongyang?), and of course, state-sanctioned scapegoating (i.e. back in the recent day when Japan sought a seat in the UN Security Council--which in itself, carries a longer, more complex history involved--even before WWII!), etc... gave rise in my mind the historical buzz words: Berlin... 1936... Leni Riefenstahl... and Olympia.
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B) When I was reading up on the op-eds on how to deal with the political implications of the Beijing Games, there's been ample arguments to not boycott this year's Olympics, as stated in a recent Newsweek article concerning China's inferiority complex, hence the baffling need to mandate a "National Humiliation Day," to sort of remember the turmoils of 19th Century Western colonialism (read: Hong Kong), World War II (self-explanatory), and its struggle to find itself in the 20th Century, a la the turbulent Maoist era of the Cultural Revolution. As much as people argued that Beijing is akin to the Nazi regime, there's also folks stating that perhaps there's still ample room to sort of diplomatically redeem this (post) Communist nation, given its economic boom, and burgeoning prominence in global affairs (see the prominent heads of state in attendance at the opening ceremonies, like George W. Bush, Nicholas Sarkozy, Kevin Rudd, Vladimir Putin, and if memory serves me right, Angela Merkel...?).
But considering at my 32nd year of living and learning, as a Chinese-American Christian, trying to live a more godly, cool-headed life, part of me still stubbornly attaches myself to my people back in China, knowing full well that as much as I passionately disagree with the government there (as well as the sociological pathologies that still permeates today, i.e. traditional misogyny in modern attire, a la forced abortions and possibly infanticides), I have to acknowledge in the back of my mind, that China can still be saved, with its ever-burgeoning Christian population, possibly to the point that God might even provide a historical precedent to create a democratic (Christian) China, hence making it a true, People's Republic of China, and not by theoretical/abstract name alone.
Besides, having finally forgiven my Dad's transgressions/parental incompetence, I guess that sort of metaphorically helps me to try to approach my people with a more principled, godly-objective way, since forgiving Dad is to forgive my heritage. Maybe then God might used this year's Olympics to help me to better approach my ancestral roots, if not the whole world (i.e. my burden to bring revival in post-Christian Europe).
But that's just my thoughts running on neutral... 
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/10/2008 4:36:17 PM
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The opening ceremony was AWESOME! And last night watching Phelps when his first gold was great! I also love the human interest stories about the athletes.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/11/2008 11:43:17 PM
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Lately since the execution of a couple of Uighur terror suspects, I'm lamenting that Beijing might end up becoming this generation's Munich--meaning the '72 Olympics, the massacre of Israeli athletes, and the subsequent, Operation Wrath of God. This time it's with a video message by the Turkistan Islamic Party, Xinjiang region:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-08-07-2328532037_x.htm
Personally, I'm sooooo NOT looking forward to a repeat of the late, Jim McKay's terse words:
"They're all gone..."
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 5:24:08 AM
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huangshan
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ORIGINAL: gaylel1
The only thing about the Olympics that is bothering me is that it is held where religious percution is prevelent. They do not care about the christian faith, let alone if you ever utter a word about Jesus, guess what? you will be killed for your faith. I pray for those who are getting the gospel out and risking their lives for their faith.
That's odd.
There's at least two Christian churches where I am living (Hangzhou) that I am aware of, and neither is particularly secret or anything. The persecution is generally related to proselytizing and/or political activism, which is banned.
You can talk about whatever you please, generally, about almost anything. I've been talking to acquaintances of varying degrees of Chinese nationalism about religion, Taiwan, Tibet, and any number of other things.
Unless you make a public issue of something or are intentionally antagonistic, there's not much to be afraid of where speech is concerned, as I understand it.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 7:51:27 AM
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If you want to research the persecutions of Christians in China, check out the Voice of the Martyr's website. Another great book is "Safely Home" by Randy Alcorn.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 9:52:15 AM
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but NBC because they want to care about their finances had to put it on in prime time, which is a shame and a sham.
you bet NBC cares about their finances.....and aired it in "prime time", when most of the country could actually sit down and watch it. If shown "Live", it would have been aired here in Texas at 7:00 AM on Friday morning....
NBC shelled out over $850 MILLION dollars for the "rights" to broadcast the Olympics.....an amount that they'll be extremely lucky to recoup, as that does not cover ANY of the other costs associated with putting on this massive production.....(but, when it comes to the 'rights' to the Olympics, it gives the network enough "indirect benefit"...that, in the long run, it's worth it).....
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 10:42:29 AM
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huangshan
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If you want to research the persecutions of Christians in China, check out the Voice of the Martyr's website. Another great book is "Safely Home" by Randy Alcorn.
I'm just going by what I see and hear. Of course, the Chinese authorities are overzealous and oppressive in many contexts, but as of right now, they've largely stepped back and typically restrict themselves to going after the political activists, which sometimes means Christians.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 5:48:42 PM
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The opening ceremony was AWESOME! And last night watching Phelps when his first gold was great! I also love the human interest stories about the athletes.
Did you read that some of the opening ceremony was faked.
"Some of the fireworks seen in television coverage of the opening ceremony of the 2008 Olympics games in Beijing were created digitally, according to a report in The Beijing Times"
made in china
And then there was some cute little Chinese girl who was singing that was a big hit. Well, not really. The girl who won the competition to sing wasn't acceptably cute, so they found a more attractive girl to mouth the singing of the not so cute girl.
the cute girls always win
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 6:46:58 PM
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Yeah I saw that. But were we really expecting everything to be totally honest?
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 7:29:18 PM
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wow...that's not good.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 7:35:42 PM
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Here's (yet) another controversy--or should I say, cynical reinforcement of The Olympic ideal (read: international unity via sportsmanship):
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Spanish-basketball-team-poses-for-offensive-pict?urn=oly,100152
And just to think I was having more than enough bitter fruits--er, melons on my plate concerning Spain's Zapatero (Socialist) government legitimizing gay marriage, getting egalitarian with apes/chimps, giving support/credence to Hezbollah, and possibly other avenues like divorce and abortion... and I haven't even started on their "response" to 3-11!
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 8:13:41 PM
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The medal tally so far is 13 G for China, 7G for USA, actually USA has 22 medals so far all up, Assies have 10 all up with 3G, 2S &5B. Italy has 9 all up with 3G (one was for female Judo). Korea has 5G. I think these numbers are also reflective of the amount of competitors. It is obvious the more numbers a team has the more medals they are likely to get and I'm not Einstein.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 8:23:49 PM
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I think all the singing in the opening ceremony was lip synced. It is a shame that the girl who actually sang that song didn't lip sync it, though.
Was hearing today on the radio about the "scandal" of the Speedos, that the swimsuits are horribly expensive and give the more wealthy countries an advantage. They're crediting the breaking of so many swimming records to this suit. They said it can only be used 10 times, and it takes a half hour to put on since it's so tight fitting. And they cost something like $700.
BUT...
In THIS ARTICLE, it says that the swimming federation said that the suits had to be made available to any Olympic swimmer that wanted one, whether from a rich country or a poor one.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/12/2008 8:46:50 PM
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I guess this Olympic season should require us to read that recent bestseller, Rome 1960, concerning the first modern Olympic Games--meaning the sort of scandalous stuff subsequently found today with performance-enhancement doping, corporate meddling, and politicking, just to name a few!
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/13/2008 12:36:53 AM
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The medal tally so far is 13 G for China, 7G for USA, actually USA has 22 medals so far all up, Assies have 10 all up with 3G, 2S &5B. Italy has 9 all up with 3G (one was for female Judo). Korea has 5G. I think these numbers are also reflective of the amount of competitors. It is obvious the more numbers a team has the more medals they are likely to get and I'm not Einstein.
The number of athletes is a reflection of the quality of athletes in each country. And it is the quality of those athletes, not their numbers, that determine medal count.
Most sports have qualifying standards that must be met just to get into the games. For example, you might be the best swimmer in the history of Nepal, but you won't be permitted in the games if you aren't competitive outside your country.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/13/2008 4:15:19 AM
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And then there was some cute little Chinese girl who was singing that was a big hit. Well, not really. The girl who won the competition to sing wasn't acceptably cute, so they found a more attractive girl to mouth the singing of the not so cute girl.
the cute girls always win
What was weird to me about that is that I thought the two girls were equivalently cute. Yeah, the girl that was showcased had longer hair and straighter teeth, but the girl whose voice it was had a prettier eye shape, AND a prettier nose shape, I thought. Besides, the girl they did show had may have had straighter teeth, but she had a big gap where one of her teeth should have been, and I can't say I think that's all that more attractive.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/13/2008 6:41:20 AM
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The opening ceremony was AWESOME! And last night watching Phelps when his first gold was great! I also love the human interest stories about the athletes.
Did you read that some of the opening ceremony was faked.
"Some of the fireworks seen in television coverage of the opening ceremony of the 2008 Olympics games in Beijing were created digitally, according to a report in The Beijing Times"
made in china
Why is everybody so worked up about this one? The announcers said DURING THE BROADCAST that some of the fireworks (the footsteps) were computer-generated.
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RE: Olympics 2008 - 8/13/2008 9:32:24 AM
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Most sports have qualifying standards that must be met just to get into the games. For example, you might be the best swimmer in the history of Nepal, but you won't be permitted in the games if you aren't competitive outside your country.
that is called the "Eddie 'the eagle' Edwards" rule....remember him from the Calgary games? the ski jumper?
In response to the Edwards phenomenon, in 1990, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) instituted what became known as the Eddie the Eagle Rule, which requires Olympic hopefuls to compete in international events and place in the top 30 percent or the top 50 competitors, whichever is the lesser.
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. I also enjoyed watching all the diverse countries there and all the ministers of the country in the crowd watching. 
