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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/25/2008 2:36:32 PM
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Hayseed
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Folks, you can have this ridiculous exercise in promoting the benefits of nicotine and smoking. But there aren't any.
Again, where are you coming up with anybody actually saying this?
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/25/2008 2:46:52 PM
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I was pretty much understanding your position until this post. It is impossible to get the amount of nicotine needed to do that from cigarettes. Yes it is impossible to OD on nicotine but it would take more than is found in cigarettes. Now go look and see how many cigs you would have to smoke at one time to die from it.
Sam, BRB said nicotine cannot kill you. Flat out, no qualifications. He was wrong.
Folks, you can have this ridiculous exercise in promoting the benefits of nicotine and smoking. But there aren't any.
But the qualifications were inferred. He was talking to students about the normal use of tobacco. Not the number of cigarettes you would have to boil and inject with a needle to kill you. Jimbo you have plenty of valid arguments. Smoking is not healthy. A nicotine addiction is extremely hard to break. There are all kinds of stats and medical research to back these up. I just don't think you should reach so far to prove a point. This is when people quit listening.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/25/2008 3:33:39 PM
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Hayseed
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Well, I would imagine that for someone who can do all the searching for links that back him up, he could surely go back within the thread and cite where someone has actually said what he's saying they said.
Shouldn't even need to do a google on it.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/25/2008 3:47:38 PM
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But the qualifications were inferred. He was talking to students about the normal use of tobacco. Not the number of cigarettes you would have to boil and inject with a needle to kill you. Jimbo you have plenty of valid arguments. Smoking is not healthy. A nicotine addiction is extremely hard to break. There are all kinds of stats and medical research to back these up. I just don't think you should reach so far to prove a point. This is when people quit listening. What? Did somebody say something? I was out back having a smoke... Sorry. 
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/25/2008 3:48:50 PM
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This thread is about tobacco. Lets not drag other topics, such as alcohol or illegal drug use, into the discussion. Thank you.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/26/2008 1:05:50 PM
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I was pretty much understanding your position until this post. It is impossible to get the amount of nicotine needed to do that from cigarettes. Yes it is impossible to OD on nicotine but it would take more than is found in cigarettes. Now go look and see how many cigs you would have to smoke at one time to die from it.
Sam, BRB said nicotine cannot kill you. Flat out, no qualifications. He was wrong.
Folks, you can have this ridiculous exercise in promoting the benefits of nicotine and smoking. But there aren't any.
But the qualifications were inferred. He was talking to students about the normal use of tobacco. Not the number of cigarettes you would have to boil and inject with a needle to kill you. Jimbo you have plenty of valid arguments. Smoking is not healthy. A nicotine addiction is extremely hard to break. There are all kinds of stats and medical research to back these up. I just don't think you should reach so far to prove a point. This is when people quit listening.
Give this man a cigar! He's actually reading and understanding my posts! Thanks Qtman. You hit the nail on the head. People (especially my students) aren't stupid. They know by common sense that tabacco is bad for you, but they DO tune out when they hear people reaching way too far in trying to convince them to not smoke. You don't need to exagerate and fuel hysterias about health threats, like our society tends to do. That's my point in all this.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/26/2008 1:29:47 PM
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Clearly, someone missed the no smoking signs on this flight.
I don't mind a little heat folks but there are to many people getting personal in the thread.
Please back off. If this topic is too difficult for one to maintain a civil attitude then that one should make use of a parachute, located at the back of the cabin, and exit the plane.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 9/3/2008 8:52:24 AM
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I thought it wa sadly ironic that the man who wrote a humorous song about his unsuccessful attempts at breaking free from cigarettes (Another Puff), singer-actor Jerry Reed (of "Smokey and the Bandit" fame) died at the age of 71 from emphysema.
Does every longterm smoker die from the effects of tobacco? Of course not. Some of them get hit by buses or falling meteors...
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RE: Question about tobacco - 9/3/2008 2:49:54 PM
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I don't suppose some people have any idea how it makes them look to make light of a preventable illness that is as horrible for someone go through as emphysema. I've apparently not been as sheltered as that have because I have seen someone in the final stages of the disease and it's not the least bit funny, not even a bright side to the whole experience.
It would take a sad little man to go to great lengths to actually support an addictive poison and make light of its victims. One would think that if someone is concerned about men's souls they'd also be a little concerned that they have an opportunity to live for Jesus past the time it takes to have them repeat the sinner's prayer from the back of some Jack Chick tract.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 9/10/2008 1:00:45 PM
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Does every longterm smoker die from the effects of tobacco? Of course not. Some of them get hit by buses or falling meteors...
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RE: Question about tobacco - 9/20/2008 5:44:25 PM
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The bottom line is that anything that controls me, outside of Christ, is a problem.
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I do want to add this ... although I would not presume to judge someone for smoking, it does bother me when church members leave after service and as soon as they get outside the door, they light up. It seems like they could wait until they are at least in their car out of respect for those of us who do not smoke and don't like the smell or even those with lung problems. IMO
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RE: Question about tobacco - 9/20/2008 7:00:53 PM
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The bottom line is that anything that controls me, outside of Christ, is a problem.
I assume that you have a problem with drinking coffee, then?
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RE: Question about tobacco - 9/21/2008 7:51:42 PM
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I take great umbrage at being told how much sin I am in because of my smoking habit. The offense comes because I am told this by others out there who are no better or worse than myself in regards to sin while living in this world. There's a verse or two regarding the speck in my eye being worked on by those with logs in their's.
So no, I as a current smoker take my direction on where my sin is and what I need to do about it from He who indwells me. His Spirit has dealt with several serious and harmful addictions since my bending my knees to Him. When He tells me I can no longer be His servant because of my smoking tobacco then I'll feel I've missed the mark. Until then I continue to grow in His love and guidance. I'm amused that there are those out there who feel all grown up in their own righteousness. For that's what it is, their's and not His.
I will bow out of this conversation. Again, I knew I shouldn't have entered into it.
i agree with what you say about those who feel all grown up in their own righteousness...case in point-a pastor once wanted me to sit on his board of elders but there was a catch, i had to quit smoking as a Christian leader should be held to a higher standard...i didn't quit smoking, was not appointed to the board and the pastor literally ran away from the church after it was discovered he had mis-handled funds...oh well, guess you could say ain't none of us perfect
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RE: Question about tobacco - 10/16/2008 7:20:44 PM
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nothing of the kind...i was merely pointing out that none of us are perfect...we all have faults, we all sin whether we admit it or not...my thinking is more along the lines of Lk 6:41 "Why do you see the piece of sawdust in another believer's eye and not notice the wooden beam in your own eye?"
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RE: Question about tobacco - 10/17/2008 10:03:04 AM
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JimboFletch
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nothing of the kind...i was merely pointing out that none of us are perfect...we all have faults, we all sin whether we admit it or not...my thinking is more along the lines of Lk 6:41 "Why do you see the piece of sawdust in another believer's eye and not notice the wooden beam in your own eye?"
Cool, then, if I understand you, you wouldn't be outraged if a sweet, old saint of God suggested to a smoker that it would be a better witness for Christ if they weren't in bondage to a substance that smells like the devil and has no known positive effects on the human body, but is, at best, a drug delivery system.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 10/17/2008 8:50:07 PM
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litfire2000
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nothing of the kind...i was merely pointing out that none of us are perfect...we all have faults, we all sin whether we admit it or not...my thinking is more along the lines of Lk 6:41 "Why do you see the piece of sawdust in another believer's eye and not notice the wooden beam in your own eye?"
Cool, then, if I understand you, you wouldn't be outraged if a sweet, old saint of God suggested to a smoker that it would be a better witness for Christ if they weren't in bondage to a substance that smells like the devil and has no known positive effects on the human body, but is, at best, a drug delivery system.
nope, wouldn't bother me a bit
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