|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/21/2008 3:52:40 PM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: backrowbaptist
What severe effects? My dad uncle, sister and brother all quit smoking years ago without a problem. More people have quit smoking in our society than smoke now. It may have been difficult for you, but it's not that hard for most people.
Yeah, right. I bet they shielded you from other of life's unpleasant truths. There's nothing on the face of the earth to support such an absurd statement. I'd challenge you to smoke a pack and a half a day for 5 years then quit, if I thought you actually could do it and that it wouldn't harm your delicate system.
Here's somthing for you munch on:
Blessed is the man that has nothing worthwhile to say and can't be tempted to say it.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/21/2008 9:51:51 PM
|
|
|
SonInMe1
Posts: 3396
Joined: 4/16/2005
From: my mom by God
Status: offline
|
Its been a few weeks since I last smoked.
I am just grateful for that.
_____________________________
You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 7:50:56 AM
|
|
|
SonInMe1
Posts: 3396
Joined: 4/16/2005
From: my mom by God
Status: offline
|
QUIT
_____________________________
You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 7:58:46 AM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Hayseed
But, what do I know? I've only had a successful ministry and outreach for 20 years.
And I since 1967, big boy.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 8:34:27 AM
|
|
|
MindySue69
Posts: 321
Joined: 8/5/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
So anyone not addicted to some substance (or pretending to be) is a goody two-shoes unworthy and unable to minister to the lost?
I didn't see that Hayseed said that.
This is getting on my nerves and I need to unsubscribe.
Have fun with your contest!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 8:43:07 AM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: MindySue69
quote:
So anyone not addicted to some substance (or pretending to be) is a goody two-shoes unworthy and unable to minister to the lost?
I didn't see that Hayseed said that.
This is getting on my nerves and I need to unsubscribe.
Have fun with your contest!
Hayseed was poking fun at me as a "churchy Christian" for not still smoking. It's not the first time. I simply took umbrage with the characterization and responded to the implication. He considers it an advantage to approach the lost smoking, I don't accept that.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 11:30:13 AM
|
|
|
Hayseed
Posts: 559
Joined: 4/15/2006
Status: online
|
I was?
WOW! I'm amazed with all the omniscience people possess around this place where they know exactly what I'm "saying" without me saying it!
Did I say they "couldn't serve God"? No, I was making the point that there are different styles for different people. Not everyone wants to be like the typical yuppie Christians that get their pictures posted all over Christian websites and are held up as the "standard" of what a Christian should look like.
Did I say that YOU were a churchy Christian? I don't know, maybe you are. I spoke generally, not accusing you of something I don't know is the case.
All I know is that Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim & Tammy Bakker, and a whole lot of other folks like them have done more to harden people's hearts to the gospel than my cigars have.
_____________________________
My entire goal in life is to live exactly like the man who was falsely accused of being a drunkard, heretic and a friend of sinners by the religious people. So, don't be surprised if I'm not too concerned if you think ill of me.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 11:38:26 AM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Hayseed
I was?
WOW! I'm amazed with all the omniscience people possess around this place where they know exactly what I'm "saying" without me saying it!
Did I say they "couldn't serve God"? No, I was making the point that there are different styles for different people. Not everyone wants to be like the typical yuppie Christians that get their pictures posted all over Christian websites and are held up as the "standard" of what a Christian should look like.
Did I say that YOU were a churchy Christian? I don't know, maybe you are. I spoke generally, not accusing you of something I don't know is the case.
All I know is that Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim & Tammy Bakker, and a whole lot of other folks like them have done more to harden people's hearts to the gospel than my cigars have.
I wasn't born yesterday nor did I come in on the turnip trruck. So, don't play coy with me, Hayseed. It doesn't wear all that well with you.
FYI, today makes 820 days I've gone without tobacco touching my lips and 723 days since I've put nicotine into my body. Were it not for threads like this, it wouldn't cross my mind. I don't worry about having an adequate supply to feed the nicotine twitch nor having ample opportunities to do so. It's grand to be free of the stuff and to be able to tell someone struggling to break free that it can be done and is soooo worth the effort.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 11:55:05 AM
|
|
|
Hayseed
Posts: 559
Joined: 4/15/2006
Status: online
|
I'm not being "coy"... answer the question: Did I say that?
I think my history here shows that if I'm gonna say something or accuse anybody of something... I'm gonna come right out and say it and shucky-darn the consequences of it.
You brought up a scripture to link people addicted to nicotine to the likes of Judas who turned the Lord in for his love of money.
I'm simply questioning your interpretation of that scripture and your assumed conclusions of "how things are."
_____________________________
My entire goal in life is to live exactly like the man who was falsely accused of being a drunkard, heretic and a friend of sinners by the religious people. So, don't be surprised if I'm not too concerned if you think ill of me.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 12:01:39 PM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: backrowbaptist
Y'know, Jimbo, I entered this thread saying I never smoked, which you said was claiming ignorance on the subject. I did not. You don't have to have been a smoker to have insight into this issue. Actually, I think I have more credibility because of it. I don't really have a dog in this hunt. But apparently you've claimed arrogance. Your family's experience, tragic though it's been, doesn't make you the final authority. Your distainful belittling of others arguments betrayx a lack of perspective.
You implied that I'm a sissy -and a rare one - for experiencing the normal and widely recognized withdrawal symptoms from quitting. Further, you claim that your relatives quit cold turkey without any symptoms.
That alone proves you have no clue what you are talking about and your opinion on the topic is worthless. I know that won't stop you from continuing to post because it hasn't on any other topic.
That's not belittling. That's just the facts, son.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 12:02:15 PM
|
|
|
backrowbaptist
Posts: 387
Joined: 6/7/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
ORIGINAL: backrowbaptist
What severe effects? My dad uncle, sister and brother all quit smoking years ago without a problem. More people have quit smoking in our society than smoke now. It may have been difficult for you, but it's not that hard for most people.
Yeah, right. I bet they shielded you from other of life's unpleasant truths. There's nothing on the face of the earth to support such an absurd statement.
Nope, they didn't. I'm well aware of most of life's unpleasant truths, thank you. And they certainly didn't shield me from smoking, or their efforts to quit. I saw it all first hand.
Like I said, there are more ex-smokers than smokers. I'm sure it's not easy to quit, but spare me the drama. If you quit and have been smoke or nicotine free for 700 some days, congratulations. You're probably stronger than you think, and quitting no doubt easier than you claim.
_____________________________
Any of this gettin' through to you, son?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 12:12:39 PM
|
|
|
backrowbaptist
Posts: 387
Joined: 6/7/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
quote:
ORIGINAL: backrowbaptist
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
Not especially remarkable since it's their children and grandchildren that make up the bulk of the population, not them.
So your saying the parents and grandparents of the WWIIers lived just as long? C'mon, Jimbo! You're just being contradictory now. It's QUITE remarkable.
Let me write this REAL slow so you get it:
The
ranks
of
the
generation
that's
now
in
their
80s
and
had
the
most
smokers
was
decimated
by
years
of
smoking.
Those that didn't smoke or quit are now in their 80s. The longterm smokers generally didn't make it - they died from lung cancer or other smoking effects in their 50s (two of my uncles), 60s, and 70s (my dad and a granddad).
Any of that getting through to you, son?
Wrong, I say, wrong, Son! My dad's 85, my uncle 79. My neighbor 84. Smokers all. They're still kicking. A lot did die of smoking related diseases, yes. Probably an equal number from drinking problems. I'm just saying we're blowing the smoking hysteria out of proportion (that's redundant), like we do with most health related issues.
Again, sorry for your losses, but that's your family's experience, not everyone's. And you avoided my question. Did their parents and grandparents generations live as long as they are?
_____________________________
Any of this gettin' through to you, son?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 12:12:55 PM
|
|
|
Hayseed
Posts: 559
Joined: 4/15/2006
Status: online
|
Again, with the Omniscience and zilch with the answers to the questions asked of you.
I'm beginning to think that you're a "paranoid reader" cause it seems that everyone has an ulterior motive or making implications about you Jimbo.
Tell you what: Why don't you just post for us all and argue your point with yourself?
Now, I may be off the mark here and I'm asking so I don't assume anything that ain't the case. But you're showing signs of some typical behavior.
Are you an Evangelical-type pastor?
I'm just asking so I have a reference point of your training and can understand you better.
_____________________________
My entire goal in life is to live exactly like the man who was falsely accused of being a drunkard, heretic and a friend of sinners by the religious people. So, don't be surprised if I'm not too concerned if you think ill of me.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 12:16:24 PM
|
|
|
backrowbaptist
Posts: 387
Joined: 6/7/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
FYI, today makes 820 days I've gone without tobacco touching my lips and 723 days since I've put nicotine into my body. Were it not for threads like this, it wouldn't cross my mind. I don't worry about having an adequate supply to feed the nicotine twitch nor having ample opportunities to do so. It's grand to be free of the stuff and to be able to tell someone struggling to break free that it can be done and is soooo worth the effort.
Good for you, Jimbo. And you've just proved our points.
_____________________________
Any of this gettin' through to you, son?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 12:24:45 PM
|
|
|
Hayseed
Posts: 559
Joined: 4/15/2006
Status: online
|
You're right about the breaking free part. Since I've broken the gravity of Churchianity and not worried about making sure I'm adhering to the man-made rules... I'm livin' my life to the fullest. If I die early, I'll still have done more than I would've if I were still trying to be good enough to fit in with the others.
_____________________________
My entire goal in life is to live exactly like the man who was falsely accused of being a drunkard, heretic and a friend of sinners by the religious people. So, don't be surprised if I'm not too concerned if you think ill of me.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 12:24:50 PM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6614
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Hayseed
I'm beginning to think that you're a "paranoid reader" cause it seems that everyone has an ulterior motive or making implications about you Jimbo.
Mr. Hayseed, suh, I've posted, posted, posted, posted, posted, posted, posted, posted and posted and you still have no clue where I stand?
Oh, and I am completely unconcerned about your opinion of me. I don't require you approval to feel validated. So rest your mind on that issue.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Question about tobacco - 8/22/2008 12:28:35 PM
|
|
|
backrowbaptist
Posts: 387
Joined: 6/7/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
quote:
ORIGINAL: backrowbaptist
Y'know, Jimbo, I entered this thread saying I never smoked, which you said was claiming ignorance on the subject. I did not. You don't have to have been a smoker to have insight into this issue. Actually, I think I have more credibility because of it. I don't really have a dog in this hunt. But apparently you've claimed arrogance. Your family's experience, tragic though it's been, doesn't make you the final authority. Your distainful belittling of others arguments betrayx a lack of perspective.
You implied that I'm a sissy -and a rare one - for experiencing the normal and widely recognized withdrawal symptoms from quitting. Further, you claim that your relatives quit cold turkey without any symptoms.
That alone proves you have no clue what you are talking about and your opinion on the topic is worthless. I know that won't stop you from continuing to post because it hasn't on any other topic.
That's not belittling. That's just the facts, son.
Sissy?? Okay, you've added over-sensitive (or maybe delusional) to arrogant. Last I looked, those two aren't fruits of the Spirit. Hayseed's right, you should just debate with the only opponent worthy of your wisdom. 'later.
_____________________________
Any of this gettin' through to you, son?
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
