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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 8:18:58 AM
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revbob4God
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Well before the experts started saying it was unhealthy and caused cancer many athletes and well known people smoked without it being a problem. Thus it would not have been considered harming the temple. And given that smoking can effect different people in different ways many do not consider it sin. It is not stated clearly as a sin and many who feel that smoking is helpful to their nerves would not ever consider it sinful. Dont know about chewing been a smoker all my adult life.
Amen.
At one time or another every doctor and any doctor and seemingly doctors and their brothers and uncles have said one thing or another causes cancer, and/or death. I can honestly say it is not directly mentioned in the Bible. I smoke a pipe from time to time. If anybody is around, I ask if they would mind, if they say yes, I don't smoke. I usually retret to the pipe when I am thinking about something and need to be by myself anyway. So I figure, if I am alone on my porch or in the woods smoking my pipe it is my choice and my business.
As for the non smokers in the church and their witch hunts and the like, I really wish they would find something better to do. Like clothing the naked, feeding the hungry or in general maybe reading their Bible.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 9:19:03 AM
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JimboFletch
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If you can control your habit to the point you don't smoke indoors, then...
quit.
I smoked for 18 years. It took three years of literal hell to quit. In fact to give up smoking...which I had done a million times, I had to quit another vice...drinking. When ya drink, ya hafta smoke, so, I hadda quit drinking too.
So here it is 13 years later...and I found myself addicted once again. The why's, I know and that is another topic. However, I am now smoke free for a couple weeks.
It was hard.
Now, the thiungs I know are....smoking is NOT enjoyable. The pleasure you experience in smoking is your body craving the addiction..and you meeting it. When I started smoking again, I had to force myself to do so. It tastes nasty. It makes you tired. I would come home from work and last about an hour before I had to go to sleep..and would sleep ten hours....something I could never do before I started smoking.
Now, I have more energy. I am not spending 4 dollars a pack for smokes.
Quit. If someone like me can do it anyone can.
All true! That's why I know when someone compares smoking to caffeine or potato chips they have never been addicted to nicotine, or they are in serious denial, or they have some kind of financial interest in the tobacco industry. We nicotine addicts are just a use or two away from losing control again. Abstinence is the only safe - and FREE - course when it comes to tobacco.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 9:44:41 AM
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True, Jimbo. also lip and tongue cancers are a bit higher among pipe smokers, but lung cancer is much, much lower.
I think we all know smoking is unhealthy, and it irritates those around you. I heard Ozzie Osbourne say he had a harder time getting off tobacco than he did the other drugs he was on.
I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't think it is a sin issue, just a lack of common sense issue for any person these days who decides to start. And a courtesy issue.
For those who were smoking before we had all the information about it we do now, I think we need to stop beating them over the head.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 9:57:34 AM
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revbob4God
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Thanks Blue, by the way I do usually only smoke cherry or vanilla flavored. And when the head beaters come I usually run, or at least walk very fast. By the way Jimbo, Freud smoked really big and foul smelling C-I-G-A-R-S.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 10:12:09 AM
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JimboFletch
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By the way Jimbo, Freud smoked really big and foul smelling C-I-G-A-R-S.
I know that, but oral cancer is nasty, whether it comes from pipe, cigar, snuff, or from chawing Bull O' the Woods.
Here's the story of one of my online friends (who has managed to stay free of tobacco for 3 years), if you have the stomach for what it's like to get oral cancer:
Warning, Graphic images:
http://www.trashyourcan.org/mystory.htm
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 10:14:14 AM
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JimboFletch
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ORIGINAL: bluestone
For those who were smoking before we had all the information about it we do now, I think we need to stop beating them over the head.
That would be my dad's generation, folks in their 80s. Not a lot of them left though.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 11:40:05 AM
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One of the most interesting theological discussions I had ever heard (at the ripe old age of 15) was between 2 teenagers at a gospel music school I attended in 1970. Both were Southern Baptist, one from a northern state and the other from a southern. North argued that you absolutely could not be saved if you smoked, and South argued that you absolutely could not be saved if you didn't smoke. Never heard how they resolved that.....
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 11:41:46 AM
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revbob4God
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it'd be interesting to hear how that one ended up.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 11:56:15 AM
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JimboFletch
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ORIGINAL: DaveW
One of the most interesting theological discussions I had ever heard (at the ripe old age of 15) was between 2 teenagers at a gospel music school I attended in 1970. Both were Southern Baptist, one from a northern state and the other from a southern. North argued that you absolutely could not be saved if you smoked, and South argued that you absolutely could not be saved if you didn't smoke. Never heard how they resolved that.....
When your grandparents worked in tobacco (farming and wholesale) and one of your dad's earliest memories was chewing on a tobacco leaf like mine did in early 20th century South Carolina, it's easier to come down on the side of tobacco being different than coffee or chocolate and its use is one of man's inalienable rights.
But seeing another granddad, two uncles, and your father die from the effects of tobacco and having gone through the long struggle to regain freedom from nicotine like I have experienced later in life, one tends to have second thoughts about the benefits or even the neutrality of the noxious weed.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 12:09:13 PM
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DaveW
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I applaud your overcoming it, JimboFletch.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 1:44:24 PM
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justajerk
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Smoking is bad, bad, bad...
So if you have any cigars, say of a maduro variety - ring gage 48 on up... contact me and I will assist you in properly disposing of them.
As Mr. Spurgeon once gave advice to a lad who was feeling guilty of his possessions: "Give them to me and I'll smoke every one to the glory of God!"
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 1:58:59 PM
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JimboFletch
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Smoking is bad, bad, bad...
So if you have any cigars, say of a maduro variety - ring gage 48 on up... contact me and I will assist you in properly disposing of them.
As Mr. Spurgeon once gave advice to a lad who was feeling guilty of his possessions: "Give them to me and I'll smoke every one to the glory of God!"
Yep, and that mighty man of God (he was that, I'll grant you) only managed to live to the-not-exactly-ripe-old-age of 57. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for their use, IMHO.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 4:30:06 PM
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armydude
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I have mixed feelings about it. The Holy Spirit convicted me of it, but I do know some great men of God that do use tobacco. Even throughout history, C.S. Lewis, Spurgeon etc... I was just wondering your opinion on this subject.
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Great men of God were still men and were still able to sin. Do I believe that smoking is a sin? I believe that the better question is this. Does smoking edify you? I don't see it. And rather than getting away with something that could be a sin, I'm more interested in growing closer to my Lord and Savior, and I don't see smoking helping with that.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 5:17:56 PM
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 ex-smoker anyone?
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 5:51:56 PM
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I will shortly get in my car and drive about 7 miles to meet my wife at one of our favorite restaurants. I will have no need or urge to light up along the way. I can't remember the last time I had such an urge while driving.
When I get there, we will order, talk, enjoy the meal, and talk some more. I will not have the slightest urge to light up or leave quickly to have a smoke. I will just enjoy my wife's company and the meal. I cannot remember the last time I didn't eventually have a need to settle my nerves" with a hit of nicotine after a meal.
Then, we'll leave and enjoy the evening together without any urge or need to feed an addiction. Later, I'll do a little reading, something I once needed a steady supply of my drug of choice (need) in order to "enjoy."
All those years I was under the Nicotine Slave Master's control, I may not have been sinning, but I certainly was not enjoying the abundant life - and the freedom - as I am now.
Non-smokers may not really appreciate this post, but smokers know exactly what I'm talking about and what they likely wish they had again.
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 8:35:14 PM
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SonInMe1
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I haven't had a burger, donut, or ice cream in over 9.5 years.
This statement clearly declares you cannot be in any form or manner...saved.
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ex-smoker anyone?
Guilty as charged. I also cringe at smoking laws.
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So it's not really the tobbacco... it's the addiction right?
Ding, ding, ding, ding....give that man a ceegar! Well...maybe not.
Yeah, there is NO true pleasure in smoking. The enjoyment is purely satisfying the addiction.
Have you ever breathed in smoke? Its not a pleasent sensation. When I started smoking again, it made me high. Literally tipsy. I had to force myself, just as I did the first time I smoked as a kid, to do it.
Remember how ill you felt after your first cigar?
If its not to feed the addiction, why smoke so much? Thing about smoking is...very few people just do it a little bit. That...suggests either a pleasure addiction...or a physical addiction to a drug.
It is a drug.
Another question...do you want your kids to smoke?
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RE: Question about tobacco - 8/8/2008 9:35:45 PM
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justajerk
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Ding, ding, ding, ding....give that man a ceegar! Well...maybe not.
Oh you teaser! 
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Yeah, there is NO true pleasure in smoking. The enjoyment is purely satisfying the addiction.
I beg to differ, and would argue that most cigar smokers I know are not "addicted". Spurgeon once went an extra 6 months without only to prove a point (a gentlemans wager with a cigarette smoking friend, on who could go without the longest).
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Have you ever breathed in smoke?
Ahem... that is not how you properly smoke a cigar!
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Remember how ill you felt after your first cigar?
Stupidity, see above.
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If its not to feed the addiction, why smoke so much? It's kind of a "religious" experience.
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Thing about smoking is...very few people just do it a little bit.
2-6 cigars a month (in the warm weather, 0-1 during the cold months). You will have to make some kind of distinction between the 1-5 pack a day cigarette smoker and the pipe and cigar enthusiasts.
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That...suggests either a pleasure addiction...or a physical addiction to a drug.
You got me... I'm a christian hedonist. 
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do you want your kids to smoke?
I'd prefer they bought their own every now and then, sharing with me of course. (quality nicaraguan,dominican and the occasional cuban). I've got some really cute pic's of my daughter and some of her college sisters clowning it up with some nice puro's!
< Message edited by justajerk -- 8/8/2008 11:19:13 PM >
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