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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/12/2008 6:42:24 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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So which world leaders has God put in power? All of them? Just some? Any of the current ones?
I am of the belief He appoints them...
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If you say God instituted government so we can rule ourselves, fine.
I will say Roman 13 is clear God ordained the civil government for a purpose... He reigns, so I don't believe we ever really rule ourselves...
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Otherwise, you're going to have to explain to me how to determine who has been appointed by God and who has not. And how do I vote? I'd hate to vote wrong.
As for voting... Like anything else that which is not done in faith is a sin...
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/12/2008 6:46:53 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I actually think this kind of attitude isn't all that helpful for the long-term cause of the death penalty. If 5% of the country had this view that it's ok to execute innocent people if we're saving time and money, the other 95% would ensure it was banned tomorrow. Just out of pure pragmatism, it makes sense to ensure that the system is fair and doesn't execute innocent people.
The system isn't really the issue... People are and you're always going to have folks who pervert the law on both sides... Any system is going to subject to both the evilness and failure of man, yet God still went ahead and ordained the civil government to deal with folks up to putting them to death...
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/12/2008 6:54:13 PM
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Who ever said it's okay to execute an innocent person? WHO? That would be 0% of the population.
If you accept that the justice system isn't perfect and makes mistakes on a regular basis, then you must accept that the DP will either be a very long, drawn out process or will execute innocent people.
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You're building a straw man argument to justify the current abuses of the appeals process.
You are building a straw man to justify weakening the protections against a miscarriage of justice. I am simply saying that the DP can be fast and cheap, or it can be fair and accurate. You can't have both.
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And you're wrong, those 13 people did have a chance. It's called a fair trial. If mistakes were made, it was in the trial phase, not the sentencing. That has no bearing on the merits of the death penalty.
Exactly. But they didn't get that chance, because their trial wasn't fair and in most cases, came to the totally wrong conclusion.
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The DP is a just and Biblical punishment for deliberate, pre-meditated murderers. The innability to separate them from ordinary criminals shows the shallowness of your arguments.
I don't disagree with the fact that the DP has a biblical basis. My whole point is that it is a system that can't and shouldn't be streamlined. Whether the Bible is pro-DP or not, it certainly isn't pro-injustice.
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/12/2008 10:06:17 PM
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It's more important to do justice and execute convicted first-degree murderers expiditiously than it is to keep them alive while we vacilate and allow them to manipulate the appeals sytem, or worse, eliminate the death penalty all together, just because theoretically someone falsely accused might be executed.
What is the hurry? I don't see the argument for the necessity of expeditiousness. Is there no value in being cautious about taking someone's life?
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/13/2008 10:21:12 AM
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triode
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So which world leaders has God put in power? All of them? Just some? Any of the current ones?
I am of the belief He appoints them...
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If you say God instituted government so we can rule ourselves, fine.
I will say Roman 13 is clear God ordained the civil government for a purpose... He reigns, so I don't believe we ever really rule ourselves...
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Otherwise, you're going to have to explain to me how to determine who has been appointed by God and who has not. And how do I vote? I'd hate to vote wrong.
As for voting... Like anything else that which is not done in faith is a sin...
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If we aren't ruling ourselves and God is, then I must sarcastically applaud him for the poor job he's doing. Or haven't you heard of Hilter, Stalin, etc.? God appointed these men to rule? If God appoints our leaders, then voting is an absolute waste of time because the election is rigged. I also take it to mean that if I vote wrong (not the same as you), I have sinned? By VOTING for the wrong person? How can that be? You just said God appoints our leaders. What are we John, a bunch of lab rats in some great cosmic experiment, going about our ratty business, while the Great Scientist we call "God" is letting us believe we have some say in our lives while he appoints murderous thugs to kill us by the millions? Do you really believe that God appoints our rulers? If you do, don't you fear answering to God about the rulers we have killed, since God himself appointed them?
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/13/2008 11:37:25 AM
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huskarine
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It's more important to do justice and execute convicted first-degree murderers expiditiously than it is to keep them alive while we vacilate and allow them to manipulate the appeals sytem, or worse, eliminate the death penalty all together, just because theoretically someone falsely accused might be executed.
What is the hurry? I don't see the argument for the necessity of expeditiousness. Is there no value in being cautious about taking someone's life?
it comes down to the fact of undeniable evidence, possibly a confession of sorts (if there is one)...the point is that if it can be, justice needs to be swift...and i understand the sanctity of a human life, but if there is undeniable evidence, then carry it out...
if you are against the death penalty, then you understand the value of life. but remember that this world is not our home. I would suggest getting involved in a prison ministry on death row for you.
this gov't is only for here on earth, justice that needs to happen on earth will happen on earth. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's...
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/13/2008 1:22:47 PM
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It's more important to do justice and execute convicted first-degree murderers expiditiously than it is to keep them alive while we vacilate and allow them to manipulate the appeals sytem, or worse, eliminate the death penalty all together, just because theoretically someone falsely accused might be executed.
What is the hurry? I don't see the argument for the necessity of expeditiousness. Is there no value in being cautious about taking someone's life?
it comes down to the fact of undeniable evidence, possibly a confession of sorts (if there is one)...the point is that if it can be, justice needs to be swift...and i understand the sanctity of a human life, but if there is undeniable evidence, then carry it out...
I think that "undeniable evidence" is legally kind of tenuous (though I'm by no means trained in the law). I think some pretty severe problems could arise if there were an "undeniable evidence" loophole combined with an overzealous court. "Undeniable evidence" works in standard human discourse, but I think where the law is concerned, it's not at all that simple.
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/13/2008 3:20:00 PM
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If we aren't ruling ourselves and God is, then I must sarcastically applaud him for the poor job he's doing. Or haven't you heard of Hilter, Stalin, etc.? God appointed these men to rule?
I wouldn't say that Pharaoh was any better or worse than the above and the bible says rather clearly that God appointed him... As well, Christ told Pilate the power he thought he had over Christ's life was from above and not from Pilate, and or the Roman government...
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If God appoints our leaders, then voting is an absolute waste of time because the election is rigged.
What God decrees eternally doesn't remove what is temporal... God ordained that the walls of Jericho would fall, yet temporally Joshua did what had to be done...
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I also take it to mean that if I vote wrong (not the same as you), I have sinned? By VOTING for the wrong person? How can that be?
You can contrive whatever you wish, though if you are going lay something at my feet by all means quote me...
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As for voting... Like anything else that which is not done in faith is a sin...
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You just said God appoints our leaders.
Yup, that's my opinion...
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What are we John, a bunch of lab rats in some great cosmic experiment, going about our ratty business, while the Great Scientist we call "God" is letting us believe we have some say in our lives while he appoints murderous thugs to kill us by the millions?
We are part of His creation and bound to will and pleasure... I have faith that regardless of that I see and feel God's plan is just and all things work for the good of those who love the Lord, even His raising the evil Pharaoh to power to show His power to the world...
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Do you really believe that God appoints our rulers?
Yes... Without a doubt...
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If you do, don't you fear answering to God about the rulers we have killed, since God himself appointed them?
David didn't kill Saul for that very reason even though he probably had the right too given the numerous times Saul attempted to kill him...
And since I haven't conspired to, attempted or actually killed anyone, let alone a leader of a nation on this matter I have no reason to fear God's wrath... Though I maintain a healthy fear of Him as one should...
John
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/13/2008 7:18:38 PM
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No problem with capital punishment. And I find no contradiction or prohibition in scripture with the state exercise of it. As a matter of fact, Romans makes it clear that such power and authority is appointed to the state by God.
In this case, it should have carried out long ago...and included all involved in the perpetration of this sub-human act. And that includes the 14 year old.
As far as cost, I'm not a fan of injections, hangings, gas chambers, etc. A clean single shot to the back of the head would be the most efficient and cost effective means to carry out the sentence. Using a low velocity round of moderate calibre would be more than adequate to insure a quick and virtually painless execution.
I have no remorse or guilt as to the legitimacy of my position. I also have no doubts as to the scriptural basis for the death penalty. For those who disagree, I respect your right to feel otherwise. For myself, I know there is nothing incorrect legally or spiritually in supporting capital punishment as a Christian.
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 6:54:26 AM
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I wouldn't say that Pharaoh was any better or worse than the above and the bible says rather clearly that God appointed him... As well, Christ told Pilate the power he thought he had over Christ's life was from above and not from Pilate, and or the Roman government...
As for voting... Like anything else that which is not done in faith is a sin...
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You just said God appoints our leaders.
Yup, that's my opinion...
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Do you really believe that God appoints our rulers?
Yes... Without a doubt...
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If you do, don't you fear answering to God about the rulers we have killed, since God himself appointed them?
David didn't kill Saul for that very reason even though he probably had the right too given the numerous times Saul attempted to kill him...
And since I haven't conspired to, attempted or actually killed anyone, let alone a leader of a nation on this matter I have no reason to fear God's wrath... Though I maintain a healthy fear of Him as one should...
John
Our nation has forcibly toppled and executed a "leader appointed by God" Saddam Hussein. Our nation is therefore guilty of grave "sin" because Saddam was appointed by God according to you and your interesting and very personal interpretation of Scipture. This is a national sin which would require God's wrath (another of your favorite topics) to be unleashed upon us like the Israelites who broke His Covenant. So will he use the Persians (Iranians) or Babylonians (Iraqis) to exert His "wrath" upon us as He did with the Israelites of old?
Are you starting to see how ludicrous this line of reasoning sounds? 
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 7:19:58 AM
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huskarine
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No problem with capital punishment. And I find no contradiction or prohibition in scripture with the state exercise of it. As a matter of fact, Romans makes it clear that such power and authority is appointed to the state by God.
In this case, it should have carried out long ago...and included all involved in the perpetration of this sub-human act. And that includes the 14 year old.
As far as cost, I'm not a fan of injections, hangings, gas chambers, etc. A clean single shot to the back of the head would be the most efficient and cost effective means to carry out the sentence. Using a low velocity round of moderate calibre would be more than adequate to insure a quick and virtually painless execution.
I have no remorse or guilt as to the legitimacy of my position. I also have no doubts as to the scriptural basis for the death penalty. For those who disagree, I respect your right to feel otherwise. For myself, I know there is nothing incorrect legally or spiritually in supporting capital punishment as a Christian.
agreed, the formal capital punishment should be as such...but the pistol should be painted in red, white, and blue...
should we have chuck norris or jack bauer doing the execution???
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 9:23:57 AM
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triode
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I wouldn't say that Pharaoh was any better or worse than the above and the bible says rather clearly that God appointed him... As well, Christ told Pilate the power he thought he had over Christ's life was from above and not from Pilate, and or the Roman government...
As for voting... Like anything else that which is not done in faith is a sin...
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You just said God appoints our leaders.
Yup, that's my opinion...
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Do you really believe that God appoints our rulers?
Yes... Without a doubt...
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If you do, don't you fear answering to God about the rulers we have killed, since God himself appointed them?
David didn't kill Saul for that very reason even though he probably had the right too given the numerous times Saul attempted to kill him...
And since I haven't conspired to, attempted or actually killed anyone, let alone a leader of a nation on this matter I have no reason to fear God's wrath... Though I maintain a healthy fear of Him as one should...
John
Our nation has forcibly toppled and executed a "leader appointed by God" Saddam Hussein. Our nation is therefore guilty of grave "sin" because Saddam was appointed by God according to you and your interesting and very personal interpretation of Scipture. This is a national sin which would require God's wrath (another of your favorite topics) to be unleashed upon us like the Israelites who broke His Covenant. So will he use the Persians (Iranians) or Babylonians (Iraqis) to exert His "wrath" upon us as He did with the Israelites of old?
Are you starting to see how ludicrous this line of reasoning sounds?
No, I don't think John does.
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 9:29:37 AM
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triode
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No problem with capital punishment. And I find no contradiction or prohibition in scripture with the state exercise of it. As a matter of fact, Romans makes it clear that such power and authority is appointed to the state by God.
In this case, it should have carried out long ago...and included all involved in the perpetration of this sub-human act. And that includes the 14 year old.
As far as cost, I'm not a fan of injections, hangings, gas chambers, etc. A clean single shot to the back of the head would be the most efficient and cost effective means to carry out the sentence. Using a low velocity round of moderate calibre would be more than adequate to insure a quick and virtually painless execution.
I have no remorse or guilt as to the legitimacy of my position. I also have no doubts as to the scriptural basis for the death penalty. For those who disagree, I respect your right to feel otherwise. For myself, I know there is nothing incorrect legally or spiritually in supporting capital punishment as a Christian.
agreed, the formal capital punishment should be as such...but the pistol should be painted in red, white, and blue...
should we have chuck norris or jack bauer doing the execution???
Neither. Witheringfire should do it. It would at least be interesting to see if he can carry out as good an execution as he wants done.
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 9:59:44 AM
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huskarine
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No problem with capital punishment. And I find no contradiction or prohibition in scripture with the state exercise of it. As a matter of fact, Romans makes it clear that such power and authority is appointed to the state by God.
In this case, it should have carried out long ago...and included all involved in the perpetration of this sub-human act. And that includes the 14 year old.
As far as cost, I'm not a fan of injections, hangings, gas chambers, etc. A clean single shot to the back of the head would be the most efficient and cost effective means to carry out the sentence. Using a low velocity round of moderate calibre would be more than adequate to insure a quick and virtually painless execution.
I have no remorse or guilt as to the legitimacy of my position. I also have no doubts as to the scriptural basis for the death penalty. For those who disagree, I respect your right to feel otherwise. For myself, I know there is nothing incorrect legally or spiritually in supporting capital punishment as a Christian.
agreed, the formal capital punishment should be as such...but the pistol should be painted in red, white, and blue...
should we have chuck norris or jack bauer doing the execution???
Neither. Witheringfire should do it. It would at least be interesting to see if he can carry out as good an execution as he wants done.
I know I can do it...I am a former marine and have seen combat in 2 different countries...
can you do it Triode??? or are you mocking yourself by mocking Witheringfire??? 
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 10:50:10 AM
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triode
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No problem with capital punishment. And I find no contradiction or prohibition in scripture with the state exercise of it. As a matter of fact, Romans makes it clear that such power and authority is appointed to the state by God.
In this case, it should have carried out long ago...and included all involved in the perpetration of this sub-human act. And that includes the 14 year old.
As far as cost, I'm not a fan of injections, hangings, gas chambers, etc. A clean single shot to the back of the head would be the most efficient and cost effective means to carry out the sentence. Using a low velocity round of moderate calibre would be more than adequate to insure a quick and virtually painless execution.
I have no remorse or guilt as to the legitimacy of my position. I also have no doubts as to the scriptural basis for the death penalty. For those who disagree, I respect your right to feel otherwise. For myself, I know there is nothing incorrect legally or spiritually in supporting capital punishment as a Christian.
agreed, the formal capital punishment should be as such...but the pistol should be painted in red, white, and blue...
should we have chuck norris or jack bauer doing the execution???
Neither. Witheringfire should do it. It would at least be interesting to see if he can carry out as good an execution as he wants done.
I know I can do it...I am a former marine and have seen combat in 2 different countries...
can you do it Triode??? or are you mocking yourself by mocking Witheringfire???
OK, so YOU be state executioner. No, I don't beleive I could perform an execution. Break in my home and threaten my life or the lives of my family, yeah, I could blow his head off. But I don't believe in the death penalty. I've known men who saw combat and I don't think they would play executioner for the state either. Anyone who believes in the death penalty has to have the nerve to carry it out, and I don't think most do.
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 11:40:21 AM
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huskarine
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Our nation has forcibly toppled and executed a "leader appointed by God" Saddam Hussein. Our nation is therefore guilty of grave "sin" because Saddam was appointed by God according to you and your interesting and very personal interpretation of Scipture.
That is your personal interpretation of part of what I said...I never said that David's actions regarding Saul is the last word... It's an example.... There are example of nations and leaders being toppled as well... And given the God does appoint leaders(another thing we have examples of in the bible) one should pause and consider it when dealing on the level...
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This is a national sin which would require God's wrath (another of your favorite topics) to be unleashed upon us like the Israelites who broke His Covenant.
According to you.... Btw... Sorry the the wrath of God is an issue for you... My guess is that you were fed a very narrow concept of God, yet if you read through His entire word you will get the more complete picture...
Are you starting to see how ludicrous this line of reasoning sounds?
I noticed you skipped over the fact God appointed the likes of Pharaoh, thought I have notice most folks who hold your narrow view of God tend to...
John
^^^the above is also quoted...don't know why it's not putting it in the pretty gray quote format...
Hey John,
I agree with you about 98 percent of the time, but this is the two percent...
God allows for people to come into power (Pharaoh, Hitler, Polpot, Stalin, Hussein), but rarely is someone anointed by God, or by a prophet of His, so I would have to possibly disagree about God interjecting His holy hand directly in the matter...
but I do agree about voting in faith, though, the candidates don't best serve the full judeo-christian doctrine...'tis the only time i believe in the end justifying the means...otherwise, i would never vote because of a disagreement in faith...it will always be a lesser of two evils...
but, any government chosen by man is bound to fail anyway...read 1 Samuel...
Bring back the Prophets!!!
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 12:27:44 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Hey John,
I agree with you about 98 percent of the time, but this is the two percent...
God allows for people to come into power (Pharaoh, Hitler, Polpot, Stalin, Hussein), but rarely is someone anointed by God, or by a prophet of His, so I would have to possibly disagree about God interjecting His holy hand directly in the matter...
The bible says God raised Pharaoh to power... No mention of allowing....
John
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 1:03:21 PM
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huskarine
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ok...but would you say there is a difference between allowing and anointing???
and i take back the pharaoh history...i forgot my genesis (pun intended)...
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 3:28:36 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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ok...but would you say there is a difference between allowing and anointing???
Yes...
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and i take back the pharaoh history...i forgot my genesis (pun intended)...
Someone asked about God putting the likes of Hitler and Stalin into power in in response to my post... Was Pharaoh who God raised into power(Romans 9:17 I believe) any better?
John
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 3:55:12 PM
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triode
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Nope. It's the madmen after him.
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/14/2008 6:46:40 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Nope. It's the madmen after him.
So you agree God does appoints leaders and not very nice ones...
John
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/15/2008 2:54:34 AM
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No problem with capital punishment. And I find no contradiction or prohibition in scripture with the state exercise of it. As a matter of fact, Romans makes it clear that such power and authority is appointed to the state by God.
In this case, it should have carried out long ago...and included all involved in the perpetration of this sub-human act. And that includes the 14 year old.
As far as cost, I'm not a fan of injections, hangings, gas chambers, etc. A clean single shot to the back of the head would be the most efficient and cost effective means to carry out the sentence. Using a low velocity round of moderate calibre would be more than adequate to insure a quick and virtually painless execution.
I have no remorse or guilt as to the legitimacy of my position. I also have no doubts as to the scriptural basis for the death penalty. For those who disagree, I respect your right to feel otherwise. For myself, I know there is nothing incorrect legally or spiritually in supporting capital punishment as a Christian.
agreed, the formal capital punishment should be as such...but the pistol should be painted in red, white, and blue...
should we have chuck norris or jack bauer doing the execution???
I sense a bit of sarcasm in your post. Wasted and pointless if so. I would ask you, what is the difference between:
a bullet to the back of the head
a needle in the arm
a rope around the neck
poison gas in the lungs
electricity surging through the body and nervous system?
In the end, the result is the same. How can someone argue that the death penalty is legitimate, just and not prohibited by scripture - yet argue over the method. If one truly supports capital punishment, the method is not an issue, as long as it is as qick and painless as possible.
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RE: Texas carries out execution of Mexican National - 8/15/2008 6:55:57 AM
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huskarine
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ORIGINAL: Witheringfire
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ORIGINAL: huskarine
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ORIGINAL: Witheringfire
No problem with capital punishment. And I find no contradiction or prohibition in scripture with the state exercise of it. As a matter of fact, Romans makes it clear that such power and authority is appointed to the state by God.
In this case, it should have carried out long ago...and included all involved in the perpetration of this sub-human act. And that includes the 14 year old.
As far as cost, I'm not a fan of injections, hangings, gas chambers, etc. A clean single shot to the back of the head would be the most efficient and cost effective means to carry out the sentence. Using a low velocity round of moderate calibre would be more than adequate to insure a quick and virtually painless execution.
I have no remorse or guilt as to the legitimacy of my position. I also have no doubts as to the scriptural basis for the death penalty. For those who disagree, I respect your right to feel otherwise. For myself, I know there is nothing incorrect legally or spiritually in supporting capital punishment as a Christian.
agreed, the formal capital punishment should be as such...but the pistol should be painted in red, white, and blue...
should we have chuck norris or jack bauer doing the execution???
I sense a bit of sarcasm in your post. Wasted and pointless if so. I would ask you, what is the difference between:
a bullet to the back of the head
a needle in the arm
a rope around the neck
poison gas in the lungs
electricity surging through the body and nervous system?
In the end, the result is the same. How can someone argue that the death penalty is legitimate, just and not prohibited by scripture - yet argue over the method. If one truly supports capital punishment, the method is not an issue, as long as it is as qick and painless as possible.
dude, it's a joke...get over it and please stop making this an emotional outcry...
also, i am not going to debate you on this, if my sense is true and on the same line as the Bible, i still wouldn't win the debate anyway because your mind wouldn't change...essentially, i would be talking to the wall... 
has anybody argued with anybody, have them cornered, and then they still don't change their mind??? what's the point anyway???
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