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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/17/2008 3:20:20 PM
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lightshineon
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Yes I agree
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Agreed by me!
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Obsession with race is never a good thing. I'm glad to see you are willing to drop it. There are no races in Christ, and there will always be racists in this world.
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Do you believe we should have paintings or images of Him?
If the purpose is to create an ikon and worship, venerate or what have you the image, it is definitely forbidden. In fact, it is a sin.
But paintings or images of Christ (no matter how inaccurate) to illustrate Bible truth or to visualize the Gospel narratives could help in certain situations. Illustrated Bible stories help children visualize provided they are told that no artist really knows how Christ or the apostles looked.
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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/17/2008 5:23:48 PM
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Ruthie
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From what I remember, the origin of portraying Jesus this way was for education.
These pictures showed serfs who Jesus and the Apostles were and explained the Gospel in a format that they could relate to. That's why the images of Jesus's life also show medieval dress and lifestyle. Spiritual truth, not realism.
The images were intended as teaching tools to instruct people who could not read and had very little chance of ever learning to.
Why this depiction still continues? Haven't the foggiest. I think its wrong to keep doing it when we know better. Actually, I'm not entirely sure that it isn't a violation of the 10 Commandments but I keep whembling about it.
As for the blonde face on the sarcophagus, don't forget that Egypt was a pretty diverse place. People of many ethnicities, including Greek and Roman, lived there too and also adopted the Egyptian burial practices. I saw a plaster funeral mask from the Ptolmaic period. It depicted a light haired man.
Wouldn't the Flight to Egypt have been after Rome took over? With Greeks, Romans and other foreigners traipsing all over Egypt, nobody would have batted an eye at one little Jewish family.
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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/17/2008 8:13:21 PM
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From what I remember, the origin of portraying Jesus this way was for education.
These pictures showed serfs who Jesus and the Apostles were and explained the Gospel in a format that they could relate to. That's why the images of Jesus's life also show medieval dress and lifestyle. Spiritual truth, not realism.
The images were intended as teaching tools to instruct people who could not read and had very little chance of ever learning to.
Why this depiction still continues? Haven't the foggiest. I think its wrong to keep doing it when we know better. Actually, I'm not entirely sure that it isn't a violation of the 10 Commandments but I keep whembling about it. That actually makes a radical amount of sense. I've always been a little peeved at how Jesus always looks Roman as best, Anglo-Saxon at worst. To be sure, I love iconographic art (makes my little artistic self happy), but a full-scale painting of Jesus as a white guy is almost straight up dishonest.
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As for the blonde face on the sarcophagus, don't forget that Egypt was a pretty diverse place. People of many ethnicities, including Greek and Roman, lived there too and also adopted the Egyptian burial practices. I saw a plaster funeral mask from the Ptolmaic period. It depicted a light haired man.
Wouldn't the Flight to Egypt have been after Rome took over? With Greeks, Romans and other foreigners traipsing all over Egypt, nobody would have batted an eye at one little Jewish family. The Flight to Egypt can refer to a couple different things. It can refer to the Hebrews fleeing the Babylonians, the Persians, or the Romans. If you are referring to the "Holy Family" (ack) fleeing Herod, then yes... it was after the Romans had already conquered and subjugated Israel and Egypt. However, the point is conceded, there were a number of foriegners in Egypt at the time of Jesus, so one Jewish family wouldn't have been too far out of place.
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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/18/2008 10:27:55 AM
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tracydolls
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Illustrated Bible stories help children visualize provided they are told that no artist really knows how Christ or the apostles looked.
Do you think they are told that? I was'nt as a child. I wonder how many are.
I always hear people say it doesnt matter but if you say He had brown or black skin, it matters! You find out rather quickly.
I am too tired of the Egyptian arguement. It's an african country, in africa with african people.
I'm willing to give it up. Heck, there aint too much to argue now. Alot of Greeks have tested with Subsaharan AFrican DNA.
Even the bones around StoneHenge in England have tested SubSaharan AFrican DNA.
But your right it don't really matter, and I have got to be willing to open the door if He knocked as a white man also. LOL. I just often wonder how many people would open the door to a Black man?!
I agree Jesus is a Jew.
And racism is a sin!
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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/18/2008 3:21:22 PM
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The artist's name is Warner Sallman.
For more information see thisStory.
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Is there ANYTHING you don't know?????
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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/18/2008 3:22:48 PM
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GroupW
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ORIGINAL: tracydollsI'm willing to give it up. Heck, there aint too much to argue now. Alot of Greeks have tested with Subsaharan AFrican DNA.
You've read "The Seven Daughters of Eve" haven't you.
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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/20/2008 12:23:58 AM
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Do you believe we should have paintings or images of Him?
No...
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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/22/2008 3:47:25 AM
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tracydolls
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You've read "The Seven Daughters of Eve" haven't you.
No, I havent. But I will goggle it.
I read this book.
The Real Eve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Eve
The Eve in the title is refers to Mitochondrial Eve, a name used for the Most recent common ancestor of all humans in the Matrilineal (mother to daughter) line of descent.
http://shopping.discovery.com/product-26716.html
I don't have any images of Jesus. And in fact got rid of some resin angels I had.  They were beautiful! IT was 25 different playing instruments or singing little black kids.
It was in the beginning of my walk with the Lord. I gave up the Xmas tree, all the graven images, the "ill gotten" stuff.
Physically cleaned my house.
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RE: Where did this picture of Jesus come from? - 8/22/2008 4:18:08 PM
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Thessa
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http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~asrusch/img/jesus.jpg
The above is a link posted by another poster. And I was just wondering, this can't be what Jesus looks like (white skin, blue eyes, straight-ish hair) based on both what the Bible says (He had hair of wool, for example) and where he lived. Where did this idea of His image originate?
Just curious.
It probably originated from a person that also had white skin, blue eyes and straight-ish hair. I think people do that sometimes - unwittingly make Him out to look like whatever they do. If a person is white they think Jesus is white too - if a person is black they think Jesus is black too. But the thing is - Jesus is everything. He is so far beyond the stereotypical image we all see. He is all colors. He responds to everyone the same. He is the representation of the word Love.
The fact is that Jesus probably looks NOTHING like that picture or any we have ever seen. But we will all know Him when we see Him.
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