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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:26:10 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Your theory, of course, that his work as Professor of Constitutional Law is to be judged by the violume of his published work?
Try Googling "Obama Professor published papers" and enjoy a few of the 311,000 hits it generates.
Thanks for that - first hit:
Barack Obama never achieved such a scholarly stature—indeed, it does not appear that he engaged in legal scholarship at all. And to my knowledge, the title of “senior lecturer” has never been applied to someone who was basically an adjunct professor.
Even more unusual is Chicago’s claim that Barack Obama was offered a fully tenured position. The University of Chicago is one of the most elite law schools in the country, and it would be extremely rare for the law school to offer a tenure-track position to someone without any legal scholarship, much less one with tenure. The course materials and examination questions prepared by then-Professor Obama demonstrate a deep and nuanced command of the law, but for that to have resulted in an offer to the tenured or even tenure-track faculty, the normal course (indeed, nearly the only course) is for that command of legal subjects to have first manifested itself into published articles.
Which merely confirms my original point - that Obama was a professor of Constitutional Law at one of the top law schools in America.
Thanks - did you intend to try to REBUT any of my points?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:27:44 PM
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By the way, thanks for surrendering on the other nine points.
Oh, I'm not done - I still need an answer to my first.
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Here's a rhetorical question for your list - just how did McCain show leadership in the Hanoi Hilton? Was it before or after he admitted to commiting war crimes?
I think he showed a lot of leadership - a few examples:
Mr. Day relayed to me one of the stories Americans should hear. It involves what happened to him after escaping from a North Vietnamese prison during the war. When he was recaptured, a Vietnamese captor broke his arm and said, “I told you I would make you a cripple.”
The break was designed to shatter Mr. Day’s will. He had survived in prison on the hope that one day he would return to the United States and be able to fly again. To kill that hope, the Vietnamese left part of a bone sticking out of his arm, and put him in a misshapen cast. This was done so that the arm would heal at “a goofy angle,” as Mr. Day explained. Had it done so, he never would have flown again.
But it didn’t heal that way because of John McCain. Risking severe punishment, Messrs. McCain and Day collected pieces of bamboo in the prison courtyard to use as a splint. Mr. McCain put Mr. Day on the floor of their cell and, using his foot, jerked the broken bone into place. Then, using strips from the bandage on his own wounded leg and the bamboo, he put Mr. Day’s splint in place.
Years later, Air Force surgeons examined Mr. Day and complimented the treatment he’d gotten from his captors. Mr. Day corrected them. It was Dr. McCain who deserved the credit. Mr. Day went on to fly again.
Another story I heard over dinner with the Days involved Mr. McCain serving as one of the three chaplains for his fellow prisoners. At one point, after being shuttled among different prisons, Mr. Day had found himself as the most senior officer at the Hanoi Hilton. So he tapped Mr. McCain to help administer religious services to the other prisoners.
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Mr. Day recalls with pride Mr. McCain stubbornly refusing to accept special treatment or curry favor to be released early, even when gravely ill. Mr. McCain knew the Vietnamese wanted the propaganda victory of the son and grandson of Navy admirals accepting special treatment. “He wasn’t corruptible then,” Mr. Day says, “and he’s not corruptible today.”
I challenge anyone to find a more amazing example of courage among today's politicians.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:28:47 PM
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Jhud
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Which merely confirms my original point - that Obama was a professor of Constitutional Law at one of the top law schools in America.
Thanks - did you intend to try to REBUT any of my points?
I asked what he had published - is an answer forthcoming?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:32:55 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Which merely confirms my original point - that Obama was a professor of Constitutional Law at one of the top law schools in America.
Thanks - did you intend to try to REBUT any of my points?
I asked what he had published - is an answer forthcoming?
No rebuttal then. Surrender accepted.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/12/2008 2:33:05 PM
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I think the ad has a little truth in it. If JM lowers the corporate tax rate a lot of companies are going to be getting a big windfall
I emailed something to the sort said, if you lower the corporate rate whose going pay the difference, are individuals going to have to do it.
Or are we going to barrow more money from China and UAE or the income the individual tax payer give is very little compared the companies paying taxes. Does not help matters when your spending billions a day in Iraq and other places I am pretty much indifferent to the war on terror when it comes to spending but cannot see tax cuts.
That could be one of the reasons bush is in China. Its a good idea to be nice to the counties or country who holds a lot of our debt
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:33:46 PM
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Here's another one for your list - "consistent williness to make hard budgetary decisions that reduce spending"
What specific spending bills has he opposed?
Here is a good example from 2003.
He also decried a $31 billion national energy bill, still pending until at least next year, much of which would fund industry tax breaks.
"The numbers are astonishing," said McCain, an Arizona Republican. "Congress is now spending money like a drunken sailor. And I've never known a sailor drunk or sober with the imagination that this Congress has."
It was a rare admonition from a member of Bush's own political party, which hopes to benefit from a series of wins this year in Congress -- which in addition to the first-ever Medicare prescription drug benefit, included more tax relief, funds to rebuild Iraq and a law to restrict abortion.
Bush is hoping the record will help him and fellow Republicans keep control of the White House and Congress in next November's election. Democrats, however, have bemoaned the rising price tags, a sentiment shared Sunday by McCain, a member of the Senate's Armed Services Committee.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:34:57 PM
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5. He opposed the Iraq war before it started and has a specific plan for redeploying all combat troops by March 31, 2008.
He kind of missed that deadline. 
When that was written, Obama's plan was for a 16-month withdrawal ending March 2008.
The timetable is still good.
Only the grammar/spell/math diversionists think otherwise.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:39:30 PM
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Here's another one for your list - "consistent williness to make hard budgetary decisions that reduce spending"
What specific spending bills has he opposed?
Here is a good example from 2003.
He also decried a $31 billion national energy bill, still pending until at least next year, much of which would fund industry tax breaks.
"The numbers are astonishing," said McCain, an Arizona Republican. "Congress is now spending money like a drunken sailor. And I've never known a sailor drunk or sober with the imagination that this Congress has."
It was a rare admonition from a member of Bush's own political party, which hopes to benefit from a series of wins this year in Congress -- which in addition to the first-ever Medicare prescription drug benefit, included more tax relief, funds to rebuild Iraq and a law to restrict abortion.
Bush is hoping the record will help him and fellow Republicans keep control of the White House and Congress in next November's election. Democrats, however, have bemoaned the rising price tags, a sentiment shared Sunday by McCain, a member of the Senate's Armed Services Committee.
I see I failed to make myself clear.
Let me rephrase.
What spending bills has McCain SUCCESSFULLY opposed?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:42:18 PM
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When that was written, Obama's plan was for a 16-month withdrawal ending March 2008
Well seeing how it is August 2008 that timeline has passed. 
Hint - what is sixteen months after January 20, 2009?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:45:32 PM
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Jhud
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I see I failed to make myself clear.
Let me rephrase.
What spending bills has McCain SUCCESSFULLY opposed?
I believe that is called, "Moving the goalposts". As a single Senator he can only vote against bills, not veto them - a power he will only have as President.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 2:50:59 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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I see I failed to make myself clear.
Let me rephrase.
What spending bills has McCain SUCCESSFULLY opposed?
I believe that is called, "Moving the goalposts". As a single Senator he can only vote against bills, not veto them - a power he will only have as President.
Not moving the goalposts at all. YOUR original claim was that McCain had a history of "mak(ing) hard budgetary decisions to reduce spending "- implying an actual reduction in spending.
You cannot point to an instance in which he actually able to reduce spending.
So much for your claim as to his effectiveness.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:00:59 PM
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So he has had no success in opposing spending bills.
So much for your claim as to his effectiveness.
Actually I said:
A consistent williness to make hard budgetary decisions that reduce spending.
That's demonstrated.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:03:33 PM
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So he has had no success in opposing spending bills.
So much for your claim as to his effectiveness.
Actually I said:
A consistent williness to make hard budgetary decisions that reduce spending.
That's demonstrated.
"All hat and no cattle" as they say in Texas.
Anybody can TALK spending reduction - have you got a case where McCain actually defeated a spending bill, or got a bill's spending reduced, or led the fight to cancel a program, or ANYTHING that would indicate that his 'spending reduction' credentials are anything other than mere talk?
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:04:51 PM
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I see I failed to make myself clear.
Let me rephrase.
What spending bills has McCain SUCCESSFULLY opposed?
I believe that is called, "Moving the goalposts". As a single Senator he can only vote against bills, not veto them - a power he will only have as President.
Not moving the goalposts at all. YOUR original claim was that McCain had "a consistent williness to make hard budgetary decisions that reduce spending"- implying an effectiveness at actual reduction in spending.
You cannot point to an instance in which he actually able to reduce spending.
So much for your claim as to his effectiveness.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:07:28 PM
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"All hat and no cattle" as they say in Texas.
Anybody can TALK spending reduction - have you got a case where McCain actually defeated a spending bill, or got a bill's spending reduced, or led the fight to cancel a program, or ANYTHING that would indicate that his 'spending reduction' credentials are anything other than mere talk
I can't think of a case where a single Senator ever 'defeated' a spending bill.
I would say opposing spending promoted by one's President and Party despite the unpopularity of such a stance is courageous - and something I don't see any other Senator doing.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:23:41 PM
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"All hat and no cattle" as they say in Texas.
Anybody can TALK spending reduction - have you got a case where McCain actually defeated a spending bill, or got a bill's spending reduced, or led the fight to cancel a program, or ANYTHING that would indicate that his 'spending reduction' credentials are anything other than mere talk
I can't think of a case where a single Senator ever 'defeated' a spending bill.
I would say opposing spending promoted by one's President and Party despite the unpopularity of such a stance is courageous - and something I don't see any other Senator doing.
So McCain, for all his talk and contrary to your original claim on the subject, does NOT have any history of effectively opposing spending.
Thanks for capitulating.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:26:29 PM
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So McCain, for all his talk and contrary to your original claim on the subject, does NOT have any history of effectively opposing spending.
Thanks for capitulating.
How does one 'capitulate' on a point one never made? I proved the point I made, not the one you made up of course.
But even with the effort McCain has put forward (however minimal you see it) it goes farther then anything done by the first term Senator from Chicago.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:47:44 PM
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So McCain, for all his talk and contrary to your original claim on the subject, does NOT have any history of effectively opposing spending.
Thanks for capitulating.
How does one 'capitulate' on a point one never made? I proved the point I made, not the one you made up of course.
But even with the effort McCain has put forward (however minimal you see it) it goes farther then anything done by the first term Senator from Chicago.
Funny, I thought you were going to try to advance McCain rather than denigrate Obama.
So much for that.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:52:23 PM
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He's only trying to play one-up-manship with you, Jack. You're not playing his game, so you lose, in his opinion.
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So McCain, for all his talk and contrary to your original claim on the subject, does NOT have any history of effectively opposing spending.
Thanks for capitulating.
How does one 'capitulate' on a point one never made? I proved the point I made, not the one you made up of course.
But even with the effort McCain has put forward (however minimal you see it) it goes farther then anything done by the first term Senator from Chicago.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 3:57:02 PM
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Funny, I thought you were going to try to advance McCain rather than denigrate Obama.
So much for that.
Elections are about comparisons between two choices - to say McCain has done more doesn't denigrate Obama, it simply points out his superiority as a candidate in this instance.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 4:02:49 PM
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Funny, I thought you were going to try to advance McCain rather than denigrate Obama.
So much for that.
Elections are about comparisons between two choices - to say McCain has done more doesn't denigrate Obama, it simply points out his superiority as a candidate in this instance.
Calling someone inferior doesn't denigrate him, oooooooooooooooooookay.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 4:05:49 PM
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Calling someone inferior doesn't denigrate him, oooooooooooooooooookay.
So if I point out that Michael Phelps swam faster than the other olympic swimmers I am denigrating all the other swimmers? Oooooooooooooookay.
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RE: The McBush Oil Plan - 8/12/2008 4:10:09 PM
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Calling someone inferior doesn't denigrate him, oooooooooooooooooookay.
So if I point out that Michael Phelps swam faster than the other olympic swimmers I am denigrating all the other swimmers? Oooooooooooooookay.
By pointing out that Phelps is faster than other swimmers, you are pointing out that the other swimmers are SLOWER than Phelps.
You are NOT calling Phelps superior to other swimmers (and thus, those iother swimmers inferior to Phelps), as you did call McCain superior - your choice of words - to Obama.
Trying to slip in 'faster' as analogous to 'superior' - a rhetorical sleight of hand amounting to a straw man.
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