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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 12:15:45 PM
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Obama exaggerates "Big Oil's" campaign contributions to McCain. Ad says $2 million, when independent analysis says it was only $1.3 million. Obummer got $400,000 as the oil companies hedge their bets.
Obummer also overstates McCain's tax break proposal, stating it is aimed at Big Oil, when it is actually aimed at the higher tax bracket overall.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 12:57:42 PM
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Here are those links I promised outlining benefits in fuel savings from doing precisely what Charlie Crist, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and John McCain suggested at a joint appearance in June....or at least before Obama made the same suggestions last week, prompting Senator McCain to get himself into a big 'ol huff:
Nobody disputes that properly inflated tires helps conserve fuel. Same for keeping you car tuned up and regularly scheduled oil changes as well (which NObama didn't mention).
But where is the link that shows where McCain made the same statement as NObama, the statement that tune-ups and properly inflated tires alone will save as much gas as we will get from drilling?
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 1:46:08 PM
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The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now. Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right. - Time, August 4, 2008
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1829354,00.html
I will look for that McCain link you req'd; shouldn't be too hard to find.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 2:07:29 PM
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"In the face of climate change and other serious challenges, energy conservation is no longer just a moral luxury or a personal virtue. Conservation serves a critical national goal." -- Senator John McCain, June 17, 2008
Considering that proper tire inflation, tune-ups, etc., are indeed effective conservation measures we all can use, why is McCain mocking them now when only eight weeks ago he called them part of "a critical national goal"?
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/d3ee7e45-7043-4623-ab99-ffbdeb7a431d.htm
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 2:12:31 PM
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Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right.
This is quite a leap and quite an assumption to say that NObama is right on this.
First off, the so called efficiency expert doesn't give any specifics, only generalities. Keeping tires inflated can improve mileage by 3%? So if my tires are 1lb under inflated and my neighbor's tires are 5lbs under inflated, if we both put air in our tires we will both increase mileage by 3%?
He admits that "many" already follow this advice. He then goes ont o say that if everyone did we could reduce demand by several percentage points. Where is the proof? Where are the numbers to support this theory? How many people are currently driving with under inflated tires. What is the average amount they are under inflated.
Also, they are saying we wouldn't see anything for 20 years. We'll recently most people, including liberals are admitting that it would be more like 3-5 years.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 4:24:43 PM
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And if we OVERinflated our tires, think of how much more we could save!!! Wow Obamessiah is a genius!!
On a serious note, I heard a caller in to Rush today, saying he was an auto tech instructor, I believe for one of the armed services. He brought up the fact that cars today do not have tune-ups like they used to. The car's computer does all sorts of adjustments and corrections as it runs. About all that's left is oil changes and, after 100K miles or so, new plugs and wires. I hadn't thought of that before. It breaks my heart to find another "oops" in the Obamessiah mantra.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 5:22:26 PM
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He brought up the fact that cars today do not have tune-ups like they used to. The car's computer does all sorts of adjustments and corrections as it runs.
But checks on spark plugs, electrical wiring, fuel filters, pumps, distributors, and batteries are all part of a regular tune-up. No computer can maintain those systems; they'll always have to be replaced manually.
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If we inflate our tires with helium we can all just float down the road and won't need gas at all, just fans to propel and direct our vehicles.
Today, Obama announced at a town hall that if elected, he'd allot billions in Fed tax breaks to the first auto manufacturer who builds and markets the first Jetson car.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 5:32:23 PM
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He brought up the fact that cars today do not have tune-ups like they used to. The car's computer does all sorts of adjustments and corrections as it runs.
But checks on spark plugs, electrical wiring, fuel filters, pumps, distributors, and batteries are all part of a regular tune-up. No computer can maintain those systems; they'll always have to be maintained manually.
Fuel filters either work or they don't... Same with pumps, you might catch one going bad, but normally they sneak up on you...Wiring... Other than spark plug wires I don't know of any "tune up" for them and these days if the plug wire isn't baked it's going to be fine.. At the cost of a about $2.50 to $5.00 a plug if you bother to remove and check your spark plug just replace them... Batteries... Most are sealed and if the connections are kept clean will last to the warranty...
The days of "tune ups" are for the most part gone... Though I am not taken back that folks like Obama and McCain are in the dark it's not like they have lifted the hood of car lately...
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 5:48:28 PM
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The days of "tune ups" are for the most part gone...
It's really up to people who want to perform their own auto maintenance, or hand the job over to a mechanic. Either way, cars are made up of components with finite life spans, and those components should be checked out on a regular basis to help ensure the car has decent performance.
My car is way overdue for a tune.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 7:22:01 PM
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The days of "tune ups" are for the most part gone...
It's really up to people who want to perform their own auto maintenance, or hand the job over to a mechanic. Either way, cars are made up of components with finite life spans, and those components should be checked out on a regular basis to help ensure the car has decent performance.
My car is way overdue for a tune.
I am a mechanic and if someone came in and wanted me to tune up their wiring I would be looking for hidden cameras and Allen Funt... Cars are built now with the idea of remove and replace not tune up...
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/5/2008 9:56:07 PM
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Cars are built now with the idea of remove and replace not tune up...
What else does tuning up a car involve, but removing and replacing old components?
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 12:46:17 AM
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Cars are built now with the idea of remove and replace not tune up...
What else does tuning up a car involve, but removing and replacing old components?
The time between removing and replacing is years with modern cars Sparkplugs last 100,000 miles, fuel filters, pumps, distributors generally last the life of the car and for the most part don't give much warning if they are going to fail...
I'd have to tune up my 56' Ford truck with a 351 about every six months if I drove it daily... I don't have to tune up my Honda Civic and I drive it daily...
These guys talking about tune ups is total comedy...
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 11:37:42 AM
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My 2000 Chevy S10 4cylinder went about 120K before I noticed a little performance decrease. I had the plugs and cables changed, worked just fine again. However, I'm now on my third battery, second fuel pump, second alternator, and second air conditioner compressor. My wife's 2003 Chevy Malibu is pushing 140K and still has the original plugs and cables. I think it may be time to change them. Our PT Cruiser is new so nothing has been changed on it yet. We're very diligent about getting oil changes, air filters, etc. Sure isn't like the old days when plugs and points only lasted 10-20K miles!
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Cars are built now with the idea of remove and replace not tune up...
What else does tuning up a car involve, but removing and replacing old components?
The time between removing and replacing is years with modern cars Sparkplugs last 100,000 miles, fuel filters, pumps, distributors generally last the life of the car and for the most part don't give much warning if they are going to fail...
I'd have to tune up my 56' Ford truck with a 351 about every six months if I drove it daily... I don't have to tune up my Honda Civic and I drive it daily...
These guys talking about tune ups is total comedy...
John
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 12:23:06 PM
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http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/08/05/mccain-takes-air-out-of-tire-pressure-debate/
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Predictably, Obama hit back calling McCain’s mockery “ignorant,” arguing his plans were being misrepresented and saying that experts backed his call over tire pressure. Equally predictably, McCain’s camp hit back.
The surprise came during a telephone town hall meeting McCain held on Tuesday with voters in Pennsylvania.
“Obama said a couple of days ago says we all should inflate our tires. I don’t disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it,” McCain said.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 3:01:58 PM
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How about including the next line of the article:
But he kept up his broad criticism of Obama on energy: “I … don’t think that that (inflating tires) is a way to become energy independent.”
As I stated before, no one disputes that proper tire inflation, oil changes and regular maintenance will help save fuel. However, NObama claims that we can save the same amount of fuel as we would get from drilling just by keeping our tires full and our cars tuned up. This just isn't true!
You can try and spin the numbers all you want, they don't add up. NObama claims that all the experts agree that you can save 3% of fuel costs just by inflating your tires alone. And that drilling will only give us a 1% increase in supply.
The problem here is you are comparing apples and oranges. You can't work statistics like that. The daily oil consumption takes into account every single driver and every single car on the road.
Inflating your tires will only apply to a small percentage of that number, which no one has reported and I doubt they could even guess how many people need to inflate their tires. If I had to guess, I would say less than 10% of the cars on the road have under inflated tires.
So if the 10% inflate their tires and increase their fuel savings by 3%, you are still way under the amount of oil that would be produced by drilling, even if you accept the liberals calculation of a 1% increase.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 3:21:07 PM
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You tell me, you have your wiring tuned up....
I never said this. Plug wiring is replaced, not tuned.
Just a tip, Mr. Fixit.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 6:37:06 PM
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I never said this. Plug wiring is replaced, not tuned.
Just a tip, Mr. Fixit.
I think that was his point.
That does remind me though, I need to have some winter air put in my tires soon.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 6:46:46 PM
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You tell me, you have your wiring tuned up....
I never said this. Plug wiring is replaced, not tuned.
Just a tip, Mr. Fixit.
You said:
But checks on spark plugs, electrical wiring, fuel filters, pumps, distributors, and batteries are all part of a regular tune-up.
Btw... Just having some fun here, so relax :)
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 7:33:10 PM
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Here are those links I promised outlining benefits in fuel savings from doing precisely what Charlie Crist, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and John McCain suggested at a joint appearance in June....or at least before Obama made the same suggestions last week, prompting Senator McCain to get himself into a big 'ol huff:
http://www.nascar.com/2007/auto/cct/09/11/car.care.fuel/
http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/vehicles/fuel_economy_tires_light.html
http://www.automotivedigest.com/view_art.asp?articlesID=23415
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2004/12/02/schwarzenegger_aide_outlines_fuel_plans/
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I'll try to find a few more later.
According to your second link above, "It is estimated that 5%-15% of light-duty fuel consumption is used to overcome rolling resistance for passenger cars." and then a couple of paragraphs later, "a vehicle with a recommended pressure of 35 psi whose tires are at 28 psi will have increased its rolling resistance by 12.5%"
If you do the math, the implied fuel savings is 0.5 x 0.125 = 0.00625% on the low side or
0.15 x 0.125 = 0.01875% on the high side.
How do the so-called experts get 3%?
In the same link there is a table which shows that a midsize sedan can expect to save approximate a half gallon of gasoline per 1000 miles driven. A car which gets 20 mpg will burn 50 gallons of gasoline in order to run 1000 miles. A half gallon savings amounts to less than 1%.
This savings can only be achieved if every car in America has tires which are under-inflated by 7psi and suddenly, miraculously... everyone suddenly kept their tire pressure at optimum 100% of the time. Can anyone give an estimate of how likely that could possibly be?
Clearly these two sets of stats do not agree... but they are both way off the 3% stated by the "experts". The idea that properly inflated tires could save 200,000 barrels per day of crude oil is laughable no matter who makes the claim... Obama, McCain, Swartzenegger, or the so-called "experts".
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 7:53:01 PM
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And if we OVERinflated our tires, think of how much more we could save!!! Wow Obamessiah is a genius!!
On a serious note, I heard a caller in to Rush today, saying he was an auto tech instructor, I believe for one of the armed services. He brought up the fact that cars today do not have tune-ups like they used to. The car's computer does all sorts of adjustments and corrections as it runs. About all that's left is oil changes and, after 100K miles or so, new plugs and wires. I hadn't thought of that before. It breaks my heart to find another "oops" in the Obamessiah mantra.
-Dave
I just bought a 2007 Chrysler and the maintenance schedule recommends a tune-up after 30,000 miles. I've checked several websites, and yes, there are cars, mostly expensive imports equipped with platinum or iridium spark plugs, that do require less frequent tune-ups. But most older cars (which, since people still drive them, are considered, "cars today") still require tune-ups at the 30,000 mile interval.
My point?
I know some of you worship the guy, but..
Don't get your car maintenance advice from Rush. You may find yourself walking. Then you'll REALLY save gas. Trust your authorized mechanic and your cars maintenance manual.
- Julius
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 8:23:08 PM
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Maybe this will finally put an end to the drama of Tiregate, so we can all move on:
"Obama said a couple of days ago says we all should inflate our tires. I don’t disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it." -- John McCain, August 5, 2008
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Deflating.html
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 8:24:16 PM
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And if we OVERinflated our tires, think of how much more we could save!!! Wow Obamessiah is a genius!!
On a serious note, I heard a caller in to Rush today, saying he was an auto tech instructor, I believe for one of the armed services. He brought up the fact that cars today do not have tune-ups like they used to. The car's computer does all sorts of adjustments and corrections as it runs. About all that's left is oil changes and, after 100K miles or so, new plugs and wires. I hadn't thought of that before. It breaks my heart to find another "oops" in the Obamessiah mantra.
-Dave
I just bought a 2007 Chrysler and the maintenance schedule recommends a tune-up after 30,000 miles. I've checked several websites, and yes, there are cars, mostly expensive imports equipped with platinum or iridium spark plugs, that do require less frequent tune-ups. But most older cars (which, since people still drive them, are considered, "cars today") still require tune-ups at the 30,000 mile interval.
My point?
I know some of you worship the guy, but..
Don't get your car maintenance advice from Rush. You may find yourself walking. Then you'll REALLY save gas. Trust your authorized mechanic and your cars maintenance manual.
- Julius
My 2002 Ford Focus and my 2003 Mercury Mountaineer did not require tuineups until 100,000 miles.
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RE: Barak's Big Oil Ad - 8/6/2008 8:51:06 PM
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Maybe this will finally put an end to the drama of Tiregate, so we can all move on:
"Obama said a couple of days ago says we all should inflate our tires. I don’t disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it." -- John McCain, August 5, 2008
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Deflating.html
Funny how everyone leaves out the rest of McCain's statement. This was posted above. Here is the rest of the statement.
But he kept up his broad criticism of Obama on energy: “I … don’t think that that (inflating tires) is a way to become energy independent.”
So nice try but as you say, you came up empty, or should I say a little flat.
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