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RE: Tv/Movies - 7/28/2008 6:53:04 PM
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MrFribbles
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You act as if we're talking about a picture of Venus di Milo. There's some serious intellectual dishonesty going on here, so I'm bowing out.
I felt we were talking about the issue of female nudity. It originated through a discussion of the platform of TV/movies, so I questioned whether or not your conclusions would be the same if taken to the platform of classical art. If there is intellectual dishonesty going on here, I do not see it.
Also, I still await any Scriptural insight from your point of view. However, if you wish to bow out, that is your choice.
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RE: Tv/Movies - 7/28/2008 9:06:52 PM
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cpierc07
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Are you familiar with the term, "unequally yoked"? Do not marry this man!
No, I am not familier with this term, I will reserch it, where can I find it in the bible? Yes I am torn with my fiance right now, but I know he has a good heart he goes too church and is tring but should we judge those of little faith as the bible says? everyone grows and matures in the lord at their own pace, I may believe it is wrong too watch certain things and I can share my opinions with him but god has too open his eyes, I cant and I have faith that he will. And yes everyone I will take pre-martital clases, thanks for the tip :) but I do not plan on marring him untill I feel he is right with the lord and I am right, cuz I still have a lot of learning too do but yes I will keep my eyes open and if I feel it is not right too be with him in gods eyes I will not. God has a plan and he will reveil it in due time.
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RE: Tv/Movies - 7/28/2008 9:15:41 PM
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cpierc07
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Couldn't that argument be made about anything? If we all serve and follow the same Christ shouldn't we all share some convictions? If you're watching movies and tv shows that are in direct conflict with your walk and your God, why are you watching them? Not saying you specifically, TG, a "generic" you.
What does TG mean? I am not sure everyone should have the same convctions if we follow christ, everyone grows and learns in their own personal journey. A good passage about this is romans chapter 14.
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RE: Tv/Movies - 7/28/2008 9:59:06 PM
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Sonrise
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ORIGINAL: cpierc07
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Are you familiar with the term, "unequally yoked"? Do not marry this man!
No, I am not familier with this term, I will reserch it, where can I find it in the bible? Yes I am torn with my fiance right now, but I know he has a good heart he goes too church and is tring but should we judge those of little faith as the bible says? everyone grows and matures in the lord at their own pace, I may believe it is wrong too watch certain things and I can share my opinions with him but god has too open his eyes, I cant and I have faith that he will. And yes everyone I will take pre-martital clases, thanks for the tip :) but I do not plan on marring him untill I feel he is right with the lord and I am right, cuz I still have a lot of learning too do but yes I will keep my eyes open and if I feel it is not right too be with him in gods eyes I will not. God has a plan and he will reveil it in due time.
I didn't read the whole site, but it looks good:
http://www.unequallyyoked.net/
Our premarrieds counselor said that there was a pretty significant drop out rate and that was a very good thing; it's better to find out before getting married then after.
TG, was just an abbreviation for the poster I was addressing.
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RE: Tv/Movies - 8/4/2008 6:13:24 PM
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Watching a sin is not the same as participating in that sin. Most shows have some sort of moment that ccould be classified as sin as their dramatic moment of conflict around which the plot centers. Even classic "family fare" such as ANDY GRIFFITH features people lying, drinking, stealing, evenin one episode, spousal abuse! Yet few Christians have a problem watching this classic show.
And I will echo the call for someone to prove Scripturally that looking upon a nude female is sinful....if it causes you to lust, yes, but I think most of us are mature enough that we aren't reduced to slobbering wolves every time some woman flashes some skin.
Like wise, the "F" word keeps getting brought up....I would submit that this is more of a cultural thing than Scriptural. Scripture talks about avoiding unwholesome talk, but that is hardly limited to profanity. In fact, Scripture expressly forbid the use of only ONE word, the taking of God's name in vain...
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RE: Tv/Movies - 8/5/2008 1:38:07 PM
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briar-rose
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ts sometimes hard cuz my fiance is not where I am growing too be as a christian and he still enjoys watching tv programs and movies that put christain faith down and find it causes conflict cuz I do not want too watch it and do something else too occupy my time and he gets upset and acts like I am taking god too seriously and I need too relax.
Am glad to hear that you are going to try to get some form of counsel and are going to wait till your absolutely sure he is the right one before getting married. He might be a decent enough fella... going to church and all that but he is being a stumbling block to you right now.
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no (entertainment) is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. If your brother is distressed because of what you (watch), you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your (entertainment) destroy your brother for whom Christ died. Romans 14:13-15 I changed eating to entertainment but I believes it applies to anything we do.
I think it shows a lack of respect for your convictions when your boyfriend gets upset at you for not watching a tv show or a movie. I like to have a occasional glass of wine but my boyfriend has said he doesn't want to drink and I respect that and not make him feel bad about his decision.
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RE: Tv/Movies - 8/5/2008 6:31:29 PM
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Sonrise
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ORIGINAL: briar-rose
ts sometimes hard cuz my fiance is not where I am growing too be as a christian and he still enjoys watching tv programs and movies that put christain faith down and find it causes conflict cuz I do not want too watch it and do something else too occupy my time and he gets upset and acts like I am taking god too seriously and I need too relax.
Am glad to hear that you are going to try to get some form of counsel and are going to wait till your absolutely sure he is the right one before getting married. He might be a decent enough fella... going to church and all that but he is being a stumbling block to you right now.
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no (entertainment) is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. If your brother is distressed because of what you (watch), you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your (entertainment) destroy your brother for whom Christ died. Romans 14:13-15 I changed eating to entertainment but I believes it applies to anything we do.
I think it shows a lack of respect for your convictions when your boyfriend gets upset at you for not watching a tv show or a movie. I like to have a occasional glass of wine but my boyfriend has said he doesn't want to drink and I respect that and not make him feel bad about his decision.
Pornography is a billion dollar industry and "entertains" millions of people daily. Instead of dealing with what "we think" how 'bout what scripture says? I'll ask you the same question that I asked the other guy, which he refused to answer: if we're doing the exact same things that the world is doing, what makes us Christian? and just to stave off another smart alec answer, like the other guy gave, I'm not talking about scripture neutral stuff like driving, wearing pants, eating fast food, etc. I'm specifically talking about choices that the Word is clear on.
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RE: Tv/Movies - 8/6/2008 9:25:43 AM
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aleng
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All right... I would first like to say it's ironic that arguments like this about sin can and do actually lead people into sin. I've never posted or really read things posted on Crosswalk but I would say it's hard to discuss issues like this through a message board. I could see debating this with someone I had a close relationship with, but it's hard to speak truth into someone’s life based on a couple of sentence post. There are so many layers to who we are as people and everyone is on their own journey, at their own place, accountable for themselves before God. Romans 14 does a great job of capturing that.
Sonrise... the difference between a Christian and a non-Christian is a relationship with Christ. I think it's dangerous to say, "A Christian has to do this or be like this." because it's not about rules or laws. It's about the relationship.
I don't ever want to come off to the people around me as a "better than thou church person". I think that does more to push people away from God. I'd rather live along side them and relate to them through movie or whatever media is going to give me an opportunity to be with them. How can we relate to a culture that we segregate ourselves from? Just my thoughts.
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RE: Tv/Movies - 8/6/2008 10:25:06 AM
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MrFribbles
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Hee hee, makes me feel special, being the 'other guy'. Sonrise, I'll ask once again - what exactly is it you're contending the word is clear on, and where in Scripture do you see it?
As for you question - Christ said the world would know we are His by our love for one another. Yes, we need to strive to keep Hhs commandments, but I don't see any passages to back up, in an absolute sense, what you are advovating (except for your thoughts on porn, which I entirely agree with).
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