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galadriel2 -> Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/23/2008 5:50:38 AM)

It is so sad how the governing elite in our country seek to destroy Jesus Christ. Here is a uniquely Christian term - 'awakening' - that has been used to describe the great revival that took place in America in the 1700s and they are using it - quite deliberately - to describe Sunni's turning away from Al-Qaeda in the Anbar province in Iraq. They pick the Christian term to describe a non-Christian event ever so deliberately - in order to cloud the issue as to what is Christ acting in the world and what isn't. It is an attempt to steal from people their ability to be discerning. What is even more hypocritical about it is that this came up in the interview between Katie Couric and John McCain and yet CBS advertises as being the news network to watch if you want to understand the meaning behind the events. How accurately the Bible describes false teachers as people 'lying in wait to deceive' (Eph. ch. 4). I know that the enemy has come in like a flood into my home and life in order to try and destroy the work of Christ in our home - but no matter how they try to dethrone Christ - He is still on the throne. He is still Lord and Christ and will someday do what none of the elite can - bring peace to this world.

God bless,
Galadriel2



TheosCentric -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/23/2008 6:14:49 AM)

I don't think "awakening" is an uniquely Christian term.

I'm not sure exactly what the point of those post is either. If they're using the term in light of the Sunnis "awakening" to Al Quaida in Iraq and turning against them and away from them, then that's a good thing, right?

Perhaps a link might help to better understand where you're coming from rather than Muslim and media bashing.



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/23/2008 9:48:42 AM)

I am not sure if what I am going to say is going to take this thread off topic or not. I am sorry if it does.

Why are we getting so carried away and fascinated by words, lately?

Words are important but hasn't Christ showed us that what is more important is our heart? Aren't out intentions, and motivations more important than the words we use?

The Bible was written in the language of the day so people can understand, to some degree what was being said about God, and his relationship to Man.

Now-a-days we seem so sensitive about words that we can not talk to each other. I know that sometimes I have to catch myself when I get critical about a certain political party who had a problem understanding what "is" means, but has since been hell bent on redefining every word in the dictionary whose ages old, commonly accepted definition they do not like,



TheosCentric -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/23/2008 9:59:33 AM)

Which is why I'm questioning the intent of the OP. What is the point? Is there a link where this is mentioned?



cow451 -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/23/2008 10:01:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheosCentric

I don't think "awakening" is an uniquely Christian term.



Really.



TheosCentric -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/23/2008 10:12:28 AM)

Here's Wikipedia's article on the Awakenings in Iraq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awakening_movements_in_Iraq

The Great Awakening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Awakening

Two different subjects.

The first one is militarily. The second one religious. Now I wonder where the OP has gone. [&:]



WesP -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/23/2008 10:16:39 AM)

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I don't think "awakening" is an uniquely Christian term.


Nor do I. After all, the word existed long before the 1700's. [;)]



galadriel2 -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/25/2008 1:51:33 PM)

Thanks again for all the good inputs [:)].

Thanks, TheosCentric - I put the post up because I think the Biblical meaning that we ascribe to an Awakening - as in The Great Awakening of America in the 1700s is being obscured by calling the Iraqi awareness of the bad actions of Al-Qaeda an awakening. An awakening is when someone comes to the light - and the light is Christ.

Why, Leon_figg3, am I so concerned about definitions? Great question and point. I don't think we can really communicate unless we understand what the other person means by what they are saying. The Bible also teaches that God saves us, but He saves us by means. (I was listening to Alistair Begg on the radio the other day and he was going over 1 Tim. 4:16 - 'Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.' - so this truth of God using means to save is on my mind)...Anyway, God uses the preaching of the Gospel to save and sanctify men. If we aren't clear on our definitions and understand how the Bible defines terms and then stick with those definitions how can people get saved and grow in Christ? They need to understand the terms. I think that anything or anyone who attempts to obscure Biblical definitions of words should be exposed - in other words - we need to keep our definitions correct.

'But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. Therefore He says: 'Awake, you who sleep, arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light.'' (Eph. 5:13,14) People talking about a 'Sunni Awakening' have changed the definition away from this definition, but some might not realize that and think that the Sunni Awakening was somehow Christ acting in the world when it wasn't - even if that isn't how they articulate their thinking. I think we need to keep it very clear what is Christ acting in the world; what is a response to the light; and what isn't.

God bless abundantly,
Galadriel2



cybrjewls -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/25/2008 5:58:16 PM)

Greetings! Jesus Christ is by no means being destroyed when some understand what is written: that no one Israel was healed by The Prophet of God except the King to the north and no widow in Israel was miraculously provided for except the foreigner whom God provided Elijah a room to stay in, at times.

God can open anyone's spiritual eyes that He so Desires to. It is Faith to know that God Is Sovereign and can revive anyone that He so Chooses to revive! There was an Empire of Great Standing before that we now call the Ottoman Empire. The Lord Almighty raises up nations and peoples to conquer and rule as He so chooses.

The Prophet Elisha also annointed a King of Syria as written in The Prophets. God Reigns Supreme regardless of mens ways of thinking regarding Religious Thinkings which puffs up; but Love Edifies. Jesus said to be on your guard against the yeast of false spiritual innundations surrounding what caused the Pharisees to hate Him. They refused to come to Him to have eternal Life because they thought that they were better than Him because they 'knew' things in their own ways of thinkings rather than having a wise manner of thinking bestowed upon them which is The Mind of Christ. They did not humble themselves but hardened their hearts against The Truth which Is Jesus Christ The Lord. We only know in part is The Apostle's testimony. Who are we to think that that is not the case, then?

God sees all things and knows What He Plans and makes eternity to be hidden among the hearts of the people. There are many things that are not written which Christ said that He had many things to tell The Apostles and The People of The Faith; more than they could even bear at that time during His earthly Ministry, Crucifixion and Resurrection.

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ORIGINAL: galadriel2

It is so sad how the governing elite in our country seek to destroy Jesus Christ. Here is a uniquely Christian term - 'awakening' - that has been used to describe the great revival that took place in America in the 1700s and they are using it - quite deliberately - to describe Sunni's turning away from Al-Qaeda in the Anbar province in Iraq. They pick the Christian term to describe a non-Christian event ever so deliberately - in order to cloud the issue as to what is Christ acting in the world and what isn't. It is an attempt to steal from people their ability to be discerning. What is even more hypocritical about it is that this came up in the interview between Katie Couric and John McCain and yet CBS advertises as being the news network to watch if you want to understand the meaning behind the events. How accurately the Bible describes false teachers as people 'lying in wait to deceive' (Eph. ch. 4). I know that the enemy has come in like a flood into my home and life in order to try and destroy the work of Christ in our home - but no matter how they try to dethrone Christ - He is still on the throne. He is still Lord and Christ and will someday do what none of the elite can - bring peace to this world.

God bless,
Galadriel2



sylvan -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/25/2008 6:19:28 PM)

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to describe Sunni's turning away from Al-Qaeda in the Anbar province in Iraq.


Umm, they are turning away from Al-Qaeda because we (you and I the taxpayer) are paying them to turn away. Since the troop surge failed, our government decided to put the Sunni's on our military payroll. So yeah, the greed and sickness runs even deeper - our government is now bribing the enemy and telling us they are "succeeding".

It is terrible. If this is the "credit" and "image" of success that McCain wants, he can have it!!



cybrjewls -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/25/2008 9:51:30 PM)

The Sunni are Saddam's sect as it was before..... The Sunni were supported in their war against iran before by the US.

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ORIGINAL: sylvan

quote:

to describe Sunni's turning away from Al-Qaeda in the Anbar province in Iraq.


Umm, they are turning away from Al-Qaeda because we (you and I the taxpayer) are paying them to turn away. Since the troop surge failed, our government decided to put the Sunni's on our military payroll. So yeah, the greed and sickness runs even deeper - our government is now bribing the enemy and telling us they are "succeeding".

It is terrible. If this is the "credit" and "image" of success that McCain wants, he can have it!!



TaoPoohBear -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/26/2008 3:38:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cybrjewls

The Sunni are Saddam's sect as it was before..... The Sunni were supported in their war against iran before by the US.

quote:

ORIGINAL: sylvan

quote:

to describe Sunni's turning away from Al-Qaeda in the Anbar province in Iraq.


Umm, they are turning away from Al-Qaeda because we (you and I the taxpayer) are paying them to turn away. Since the troop surge failed, our government decided to put the Sunni's on our military payroll. So yeah, the greed and sickness runs even deeper - our government is now bribing the enemy and telling us they are "succeeding".

It is terrible. If this is the "credit" and "image" of success that McCain wants, he can have it!!



It's just now they're singing an American Tune



FurGodWurLivin -> RE: Sunni 'Awakening'? (7/27/2008 4:06:32 AM)

Allow me to remind us all, that the term "The Awakening" has also been used as a code name for the Renaissance....



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