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Aristocrat -> Allah supports Creationism. (7/19/2008 10:57:31 PM)

Well, a fine mess you got us into this time, Ollie. [sm=hammerhead.gif]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/featuresNews/idUKL2926092420080619?feedType=RSS&feedName=featuresNews&sp=true



drj11 -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/19/2008 11:05:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aristocrat

Well, a fine mess you got us into this time, Ollie. [sm=hammerhead.gif]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/featuresNews/idUKL2926092420080619?feedType=RSS&feedName=featuresNews&sp=true


Ignorant minds think alike.



Aristocrat -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/20/2008 1:43:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: drj11

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ORIGINAL: Aristocrat

Well, a fine mess you got us into this time, Ollie. [sm=hammerhead.gif]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/featuresNews/idUKL2926092420080619?feedType=RSS&feedName=featuresNews&sp=true


Ignorant minds think alike.


Ouch!



scutus -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/20/2008 2:46:36 AM)

Can you edit your post so that you replace the long url with something shorter?



Aristocrat -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/20/2008 3:39:12 AM)

what would be the sense now that it's been quoted. Is it a problem for you?



scutus -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 2:47:43 AM)

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what would be the sense now that it's been quoted.
That's a shame.

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Is it a problem for you?
Yes, it's annoying to scroll to read the posts.



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 1:31:27 PM)

What is the point of this thread?



cow451 -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 2:16:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

What is the point of this thread?

1.) Ignorance is a cross-cultural phenomenon:

2). More evidence against the idea of Intelligent Design.[:D]



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 2:42:48 PM)

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1.) Ignorance is a cross-cultural phenomenon:

2). More evidence against the idea of Intelligent Design.


Is a Muslim believed in evolution, would that constitute evidence against evolution?



drj11 -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 2:52:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

What is the point of this thread?


That Muslim creationism deserves equal time in the classroom?



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 2:55:04 PM)

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That Muslim creationism deserves equal time in the classroom?


I believe in most Muslim countries it has the only time; very similar to atheist countries in this respect.



cow451 -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 3:59:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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1.) Ignorance is a cross-cultural phenomenon:

2). More evidence against the idea of Intelligent Design.


Is a Muslim believed in evolution, would that constitute evidence against evolution?

No. The point is that Muslim and Christian creationism are equally poor versions of science and religion, in the scholarly sense.



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 4:03:26 PM)

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No. The point is that Muslim and Christian creationism are equally poor versions of science and religion, in the scholarly sense.


So if a Muslim's belief in evolution does not constitute evidence against evolution, how could a belief in Intelligent Design (or something like it) constitute "evidence against the idea of Intelligent Design."?



drj11 -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 4:25:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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That Muslim creationism deserves equal time in the classroom?


I believe in most Muslim countries it has the only time; very similar to atheist countries in this respect.


I bet those atheist countries only teach math in math class too. Crazy.



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 4:33:44 PM)

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I bet those atheist countries only teach math in math class too. Crazy.


So what are you saying - the teaching of math by communists in no way reflects badly on the concept of math?



drj11 -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 4:42:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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I bet those atheist countries only teach math in math class too. Crazy.


So what are you saying - the teaching of math by communists in no way reflects badly on the concept of math?


Of course not. Math is the same whether your communist, bhuddist, christian or japanese. Evolution is also the same. Creationism isnt, so it's not really a valid comparison.

I don't think Muslims teaching their brand of creationism reflects badly on the concept of creationism. I don't see how its possible to make creationism any worse than it already is. It reflects badly upon these Muslims who advocate it, just like the creationism reflects badly upon Christians who advocate it.

But lets hear how those who would defend teaching creationism in schools would react to Muslim's attempting to insert their brand of it in schools along side it?

edit: Plus this thread is amusing if for nothing else than the general xenophobia regarding Muslim's and the similarities here are sure to make a few quite uncomfortable.



Aristocrat -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 4:51:23 PM)

If I could remember how to do that, I would have shortened it for you. Sorry.



Aristocrat -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 4:53:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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1.) Ignorance is a cross-cultural phenomenon:

2). More evidence against the idea of Intelligent Design.


Is a Muslim believed in evolution, would that constitute evidence against evolution?


Of course not, Jhud. Think about what you just asked. Scientists from all over the world and from every walk support, research and teach the Theory of Evolution. There is no religious concept in science that should offend anyones' beliefs.



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 5:17:07 PM)

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Of course not. Math is the same whether your communist, bhuddist, christian or japanese. Evolution is also the same. Creationism isnt, so it's not really a valid comparison.

I don't think Muslims teaching their brand of creationism reflects badly on the concept of creationism. I don't see how its possible to make creationism any worse than it already is. It reflects badly upon these Muslims who advocate it, just like the creationism reflects badly upon Christians who advocate it.

But lets hear how those who would defend teaching creationism in schools would react to Muslim's attempting to insert their brand of it in schools along side it?

edit: Plus this thread is amusing if for nothing else than the general xenophobia regarding Muslim's and the similarities here are sure to make a few quite uncomfortable


Considering you called a Muslim thinker ‘ignorant’ within the second post of the thread, it would seem you are the one promoting xenophobia against Muslims. In fact the primary argument by secularists on here seems to be:

- Muslims are ignorant, because they believe ‘Muslim-y things’
- Muslims believe in creationism
- Those who believe in creationism are ignorant.

Ironically, I think most Christians would have no problem with presenting non-sectarian evidence for the existence of a designer, which would presumably be equally satisfactory to a Muslim. Indeed, a number of Christians have adopted the Kalaam Cosmological Argument as a proof of the existence of God – an argument derived from an Islamic dialectic. So it isn’t the Christians who are intellectual bigots in this respect



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 5:18:42 PM)

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Of course not, Jhud. Think about what you just asked. Scientists from all over the world and from every walk support, research and teach the Theory of Evolution. There is no religious concept in science that should offend anyones' beliefs.


Even if this is the case, what is the point of your post?



Aristocrat -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 5:27:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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Of course not, Jhud. Think about what you just asked. Scientists from all over the world and from every walk support, research and teach the Theory of Evolution. There is no religious concept in science that should offend anyones' beliefs.


Even if this is the case, what is the point of your post?


The point is that Muslims wish to form an alliance with Christians for religious reasons.

Heres more:
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporary/2004/09/article02.shtml



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 5:34:28 PM)

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The point is that Muslims wish to form an alliance with Christians for religious reasons.

Heres more:
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporary/2004/09/article02.shtml


Well, Muslims, Jews, Christians, and any other theistic belief have common cause in resisting overt imposition of Secularism. I am not sure why this would be suprising or particularly controversial. It's also not particularly new news as the article dates to '04.



cow451 -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 5:58:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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No. The point is that Muslim and Christian creationism are equally poor versions of science and religion, in the scholarly sense.


So if a Muslim's belief in evolution does not constitute evidence against evolution, how could a belief in Intelligent Design (or something like it) constitute "evidence against the idea of Intelligent Design."?


You missed my heavily-veiled attempt at humor. Examples of human ignorance would be "arguments against Intelligent Design". As Letterman would attest, if you have to explain it, it isn't funny.[:D]



Jhud -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 6:10:08 PM)

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You missed my heavily-veiled attempt at humor. Examples of human ignorance would be "arguments against Intelligent Design". As Letterman would attest, if you have to explain it, it isn't funny.


My humor detector is so unreliable on a Monday. Sorry!



drj11 -> RE: Allah supports Creationism. (7/21/2008 6:47:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jhud
Considering you called a Muslim thinker ‘ignorant’ within the second post of the thread, it would seem you are the one promoting xenophobia against Muslims. In fact the primary argument by secularists on here seems to be:


You cant have creationism without ignorance. Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Jew... the religion is irrelevant. Renown 'thinker' or not, creationism is ignorance.

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Ironically, I think most Christians would have no problem with presenting non-sectarian evidence for the existence of a designer, which would presumably be equally satisfactory to a Muslim. Indeed, a number of Christians have adopted the Kalaam Cosmological Argument as a proof of the existence of God – an argument derived from an Islamic dialectic. So it isn’t the Christians who are intellectual bigots in this respect


Those are some mighty think rose colored glasses there.



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