When Jesus said, "It is finished", what exactly did He mean?
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When Jesus said, "It is finished", what exact... - 7/18/2008 3:41:37 PM
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pinopolitan
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Let us search through this question slowly and deliberately, for in its answer is, I believe, a pearl of great price.
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/18/2008 4:17:19 PM
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I heard a teaching one time that said Jesus wasn't born perfect, He was born sinless. The suffering of the cross was Jesus final suffering which was to bring about His completed perfection.
HEB 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
The name that Jesus was given which is 'above all names' wasn't earned until after He died. He humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the final suffering death of a cross.
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/18/2008 4:49:30 PM
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Revelation 21:1-8
The New Heaven and the New Earth
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."
5And he who was seated on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." Also he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." 6And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
It is finished and it is done!
5And he who was seated on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new."
Isaiah 65:17-19
New Heavens and a New Earth
17"For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind.
18But be glad and rejoice forever
in that which I create;
for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy,
and her people to be a gladness.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem
and be glad in my people;
no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping
and the cry of distress.
When Jesus said, "It is finished", what exactly did He mean?
It is finished and it is done!
means
Revelation 21:5
5And he who was seated on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new."
Isaiah 65:17-18
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind.
18But be glad and rejoice forever
in that which I create;
for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy,
and her people to be a gladness.
Peter
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/19/2008 10:11:39 AM
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Dear Him4all, thanks for taking the time to respond. I understand your answer to be that it is His suffering that is finished. Is this what you mean? That would seem to imply that the purpose of His suffering was to obtain perfection. What, then, is the purpose of obtaining perfection in suffering? What's the point? Also, two others were crucified on either side of him. Do you say that His suffering was greater than theirs? How so?
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/19/2008 4:25:02 PM
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tetelisti sin's debt had been fully satisdied
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/19/2008 5:33:27 PM
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Dear Him4all, thanks for taking the time to respond. I understand your answer to be that it is His suffering that is finished. Is this what you mean?
Yes, that's what I heard being taught.
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That would seem to imply that the purpose of His suffering was to obtain perfection.
That seems to be the implication of the verse in Hebrews 2:10, to me. Do you interpret it as meaning something else?
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What, then, is the purpose of obtaining perfection in suffering? What's the point? Also, two others were crucified on either side of him. Do you say that His suffering was greater than theirs? How so?
It isn't suffering 'in and of itself' that makes one perfect. It is suffering wrong, when you have done nothing to deserve it. That also seems to be an important in the following scriptures.
1PE 2:20 For what credit is it, if when you do wrong and are beaten for it you take it patiently? But if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God's approval.
1PE 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
1PE 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
The suffering of the thieves didn't meet the admonition of the scriptures above IMO. Even one of the thieves admitted, they weren't suffering without just cause.
LUK 23:40 But the other rebuked him, saying, "Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."
I hope this helps put a little more light on this scriptural proclamation made with the dying breath of Jesus.
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/21/2008 7:12:53 AM
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I think it means that the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Old Testament that Jesus was to fulfill while alive in one of our bodies was complete. With that, the only thing left was then to die our death.
I have seen the rendering of "it is finished" before, similar to some of the above, to attempt to justify a variety of things.
I think these are easily debunked in that at this point, from a temporal point of view, Jesus had not yet been raised from the dead.
The salvation story is incomplete without the resurrection; if Jesus is not raised from death, then nothing really changes, does it? Just an innocent Jewish carpenter put to death by an oppressive governing regime.
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/21/2008 9:26:10 AM
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I think these are easily debunked in that at this point, from a temporal point of view, Jesus had not yet been raised from the dead.
The salvation story is incomplete without the resurrection; if Jesus is not raised from death, then nothing really changes, does it? Just an innocent Jewish carpenter put to death by an oppressive governing regime.
I think that your position presents a problem based upon the very qualifier you make in your first sentance above.
JOH 19:36 For these things took place that the scripture might be fulfilled, "Not a bone of him shall be broken."
Jesus had to be dead for the above scripture to be fulfilled.
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/21/2008 6:54:12 PM
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The onplace we find the words "It is finished" are in John. Jhn also tells s what this mean Yeshua's(Jesus') final recorded prayer.
Jn 17:4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
6 "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me."
What was finished was the work He did in revealing Adonai to us by words and deeds. That included the sacrifice that put us in right standing with Adonai so that we could follow His example out of spirit of graditude and not fear, as the rest of that prayer reveals.
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/21/2008 10:18:51 PM
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Bluethread,
For me, your post suffers the same shortcomings as Doghouse. Jesus said he "completed" the works given Him by the Father in chapter 17. So either His work was completed/finished or it wasn't. I'm going to have to say he was telling the truth. That leaves something else to be 'finished' on the cross in chapter 19. I'm still going to have to go with ultimate suffering and ultimate perfection which qualified Him for the ultimate authority...a name above all names.
As I've said before in another thread, 'Sacrifice produces power and suffering produces authority.'
DR
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/21/2008 10:40:21 PM
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This is a huge subject, but Hebrews ch.s 9 & 10 speak of the one sacrifice of Christ at the Cross. Wondrously accomplished once, for time and eternity, and accepted by God on the behalf of all who believe: this one, finished sacrifice of Himself cannot be repeated.
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/22/2008 8:25:12 AM
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This is a huge subject, but Hebrews ch.s 9 & 10 speak of the one sacrifice of Christ at the Cross. Wondrously accomplished once, for time and eternity, and accepted by God on the behalf of all who believe: this one, finished sacrifice of Himself cannot be repeated.
Pretty straightforward there, ff! I do not think it is too hard to understand either. Good job! 
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/22/2008 9:25:06 AM
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May I suggest people read this magazine article:
"The Hunt for the Fourth Cup"
By Scott Hahn
LINK: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9109fea1.asp
Here are a couple of excerpts......
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......With profound spiritual insight, John links Jesus’ "hour of glory" with the supreme manifestation of his love upon the cross (John 3:14, 7:37-39, 8:28, 13:31). Following this to the end of the fourth Gospel, I began to notice several places where John deliberately weaves together various strands of Kingdom and Passover imagery in depicting Jesus’ trial and passion. The result was to draw a little nearer to what Jesus meant when he said, "It is finished" (John 19:30).
First, Jesus’ claim to kingship in John comes precisely at the moment when he appears weakest and most vulnerable--when he is standing accused before Pilate (18:33-37). Pilate’s cynical response is to dress him in a purple robe with a crown of thorns and to present him to his own unbelieving people: "Now it was the day of preparation of the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews, 'Behold your King!' They cried out, 'Away with him, away with him, crucify him!'" (19:14). John realized that the sixth hour was when the priests were prescribed to begin slaughtering lambs for the Passover.
Second, only John mentions that Jesus was stripped of a seamless linen tunic (19:23-24). The same word for "garment" (chiton) is used in the Old Testament for the official tunic worn by the High Priest in sacrifice (Ex. 28:4; Lev.16:4). This is meant to remind faithful readers that Jesus, their glorious King and Passover lamb, is also the High Priest of the New Covenant (19:23-24).
Third, the identification of Jesus with the Passover lamb is reinforced by John’s noting Jesus’ bones remained unbroken, as prescribed by the law for the Passover lamb (Ex. 12:46): "that the Scripture might be fulfilled, 'Not a bone of him shall be broken'" (19:33, 36). This brings to fulfillment the words used in John’s introduction of Jesus at the start of his Gospel: "Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" (1:29).
GRADUALLY these Passover and Kingdom themes from John’s Gospel began to converge in my mind as I reapproached the question of Jesus’ meaning in saying, "It is finished" (John 19:30). For one thing, I noticed that my King, Priest, and paschal victim, in his "hour of glory" while suffering on the cross, made a profound gesture: "After this Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), 'I thirst.'"........
read the reast here:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9109fea1.asp
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/22/2008 11:33:02 AM
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Major Ian Thomas says it this way: The life that Jesus lived (perfect) qualified Him for the death that He died (perfect sacrifice). Remember how the lamb for sacrifice had to be without spot or blemish? And Him4all's rejoinder that His suffering was also to perfect Him can not be understood meaningfully apart from the need for a perfect sacrifice on behalf of sinners (cleansing by His blood). Thence it becomes clear that what was finished was His work of sanctifying through the offering of His body once for all. "Prolepsis, the representation or assumption of a future act or development as being presently existing or accomplished (Webster's New Third International Dictionary) is clearly in evidence in Jesus's proclamation of "It is finished".
The implications for us are staggering when grasped. Staggering, but true! This is the light by which we walk. This is the great truth of fogiveness on just grounds (which guilty consciences can grasp). This is grace reigning in righteousness! Rejoice! Rejoice! Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power be unto Him who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.
O what price for this pearl? Why, if it were in a man's power to do so, and he saw the issue involved, he would give the whole earth and all its treasure for knowing this. And it is all for the asking: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyonr hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me."
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/22/2008 11:59:58 AM
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Major Ian Thomas says it this way: The life that Jesus lived (perfect) qualified Him for the death that He died (perfect sacrifice). Remember how the lamb for sacrifice had to be without spot or blemish? And Him4all's rejoinder that His suffering was also to perfect Him can not be understood meaningfully apart from the need for a perfect sacrifice on behalf of sinners (cleansing by His blood). Thence it becomes clear that what was finished was His work of sanctifying through the offering of His body once for all. "Prolepsis, the representation or assumption of a future act or development as being presently existing or accomplished (Webster's New Third International Dictionary) is clearly in evidence in Jesus's proclamation of "It is finished".
The implications for us are staggering when grasped. Staggering, but true! This is the light by which we walk. This is the great truth of fogiveness on just grounds (which guilty consciences can grasp). This is grace reigning in righteousness! Rejoice! Rejoice! Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power be unto Him who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever.
O what price for this pearl? Why, if it were in a man's power to do so, and he saw the issue involved, he would give the whole earth and all its treasure for knowing this. And it is all for the asking: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyonr hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me."
Amen!
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/22/2008 2:22:07 PM
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Bluethread,
For me, your post suffers the same shortcomings as Doghouse. Jesus said he "completed" the works given Him by the Father in chapter 17. So either His work was completed/finished or it wasn't. I'm going to have to say he was telling the truth. That leaves something else to be 'finished' on the cross in chapter 19. I'm still going to have to go with ultimate suffering and ultimate perfection which qualified Him for the ultimate authority...a name above all names.
As I've said before in another thread, 'Sacrifice produces power and suffering produces authority.'
DR
At the time of the prayer in Chpt. 17, Yeshua had completed that part of His work that He could humanly do. The rest was in the hands of Adonai and us. So, the mission that He refers to is brought to it's untimate conclusion at the hands of the powers that be, religious and secular.
"The Passion" was an example of submission to the will of Adonai as well as a means to relieve us of the obligations of guilt that would hinder us in continuing Yeshua's(Jesus') mission of revealing Adonai to man. Yeshua knew the prayer would be the last opportunity for Him to express this in the hearing of the disciples, apart from the brief statement at the execution, which only John records. The mission is now in our hands.
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/22/2008 4:42:25 PM
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A. W. Tozer records that the most noteworthy event at Pentecost was the revealing of Jesus' glorification in heaven. The Disciples realized on that day the awesome truth that He was now in them, alive, He and their Heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit, living in them and, by all means, with great expressions and proofs. And Jesus taught them that just as the branch must abide in the vine to bear fruit, so, too, must they abide in Him, Jesus, to bear fruit. The mission is most emphatically NOT in our hands. WE are in HIS hands!
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/22/2008 8:56:14 PM
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One more time, may I suggest people read this magazine article:
"The Hunt for the Fourth Cup"
By Scott Hahn
LINK: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9109fea1.asp
Here are a couple of excerpts......
quote:
......With profound spiritual insight, John links Jesus’ "hour of glory" with the supreme manifestation of his love upon the cross (John 3:14, 7:37-39, 8:28, 13:31). Following this to the end of the fourth Gospel, I began to notice several places where John deliberately weaves together various strands of Kingdom and Passover imagery in depicting Jesus’ trial and passion. The result was to draw a little nearer to what Jesus meant when he said, "It is finished" (John 19:30).
First, Jesus’ claim to kingship in John comes precisely at the moment when he appears weakest and most vulnerable--when he is standing accused before Pilate (18:33-37). Pilate’s cynical response is to dress him in a purple robe with a crown of thorns and to present him to his own unbelieving people: "Now it was the day of preparation of the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews, 'Behold your King!' They cried out, 'Away with him, away with him, crucify him!'" (19:14). John realized that the sixth hour was when the priests were prescribed to begin slaughtering lambs for the Passover.
Second, only John mentions that Jesus was stripped of a seamless linen tunic (19:23-24). The same word for "garment" (chiton) is used in the Old Testament for the official tunic worn by the High Priest in sacrifice (Ex. 28:4; Lev.16:4). This is meant to remind faithful readers that Jesus, their glorious King and Passover lamb, is also the High Priest of the New Covenant (19:23-24).
Third, the identification of Jesus with the Passover lamb is reinforced by John’s noting Jesus’ bones remained unbroken, as prescribed by the law for the Passover lamb (Ex. 12:46): "that the Scripture might be fulfilled, 'Not a bone of him shall be broken'" (19:33, 36). This brings to fulfillment the words used in John’s introduction of Jesus at the start of his Gospel: "Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" (1:29).
GRADUALLY these Passover and Kingdom themes from John’s Gospel began to converge in my mind as I reapproached the question of Jesus’ meaning in saying, "It is finished" (John 19:30). For one thing, I noticed that my King, Priest, and paschal victim, in his "hour of glory" while suffering on the cross, made a profound gesture: "After this Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), 'I thirst.'"........
read the reast here:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9109fea1.asp
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/22/2008 9:04:50 PM
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Jesus was saying that all that had to be done to purchase the salvation of those who would believe in Him was accomplished. He obeyed the law fully for us - both positively and negatively. He obeyed it completely and perfectly. He bore the penalty for our sin, which is a part of the law too. Now that righteousness from God is given to those who ask God for it. In John chapter 17 the work that Jesus completed that He is talking about there is that He kept and guarded all the disciples that the Father had given to Him to save. He did this by manifesting Himself to them. In manifesting Himself He was also manifesting the Father.
God bless,
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/24/2008 4:00:43 AM
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The mission is most emphatically NOT in our hands. WE are in HIS hands!
Why can't the mission be in our hands and we be in His hands?
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/24/2008 12:14:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: pinopolitan
The mission is most emphatically NOT in our hands. WE are in HIS hands!
Why can't the mission be in our hands and we be in His hands?
I wonder if the two of you even have a common consensus as to what 'the misson' truly is? It might help each of you to know the other's definition. 
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/25/2008 10:05:30 AM
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Bluethread,
I went back and reread your first post.
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What was finished was the work He did in revealing Adonai to us by words and deeds. That included the sacrifice that put us in right standing with Adonai so that we could follow His example out of spirit of graditude and not fear, as the rest of that prayer reveals.
If His death on the cross was "the sacrifice that put us in right standing" then I'm curious as to how you think Jesus could include that unfinished 'sacrificial work' of dying on the cross when he made this statement?
Personally I think there was more to the mission of Jesus than we could ever have upon us, simply because 'part' of His mission was to die for the sins of the world. We can't do that IMO. But Jesus/scripture said there were other parts to his mission.
MAT 5:17 "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
1JO 3:8 ...For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
I personally don't believe it is part of our mission to fulfill the law, but it is part our mission to destroy the works of the devil.
DR
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RE: When Jesus said, "It is finished", what e... - 7/25/2008 7:59:24 PM
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It is inappropiate to discuss the keeping of the law on this thread and no one on this thread has but you has even refered to our mission being "to fulfill the law". Therefore, please refrain from making such implications.
As I stated in the previous post, that you say you read, "Yeshua had completed that part of His work that He could humanly do." The rest was completed by us and Adonai. That is Adonai permitted us to sacrifice Yeshua. Therefore, Yeshua could say He had completed the mission in the garden and then proclaim, "It is finisihed", once we had done our part.
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