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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 2:34:55 AM
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scutus
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Russia is seeking to regain some of the political, economic and yes military influence it once had in the region. Russia thinks the missile shield is another attempt to influence its neighbours to a pro-American/EU side (whether the Russians are just paranoid is another question).
This is political showmanship. It's been happening for decades. It's just that Russia is finally strong enough to complain.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 5:27:37 AM
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Did..we destroy China or Russia?
Yes..or no?
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 6:40:45 AM
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Do you actually believe this? We had a great advamntage in nuclear arms for years and never destroyed Russia.
In fact, we came very close to doing this on a wide scale against China. MacArthur and many Senators called for it, and had Truman not been so wishy-washy (or moral), it might have been done:
http://digitalnewspapers.libraries.psu.edu/Default/Skins/BasicArch/Client.asp?Skin=BasicArch&&AppName=2&enter=true&BaseHref=DCG/1953/04/25&EntityId=Ar00300
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,814033-2,00.html
Britain also advocated the use of the A-Bomb in Korea:
http://digitalnewspapers.libraries.psu.edu/Default/Skins/BasicArch/Client.asp?Skin=BasicArch&&AppName=2&enter=true&BaseHref=DCG/1950/12/01&EntityId=Ar00100
Ultimately, MacArthur had to resign because he strongly opposed the president's decision not to use nuclear weapons. Surely, had there been a long war with Russia, it would have only been a matter of time until the right gears and political pressure clicked into place to use the bomb. Indeed, we've considered using it to attack Iran's enrichment site.
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Who is number one now? Do you consider the USA a threat to freedom in the world?
We certainly have been in the past. In 1954, we overthrew the democratically elected government in Guatemala because it wanted to use eminent domain on land owned by the United Fruit Company. In 1973, we overthrew the democratically elected president of Chile because he leaned Socialist. In both cases, we felt that these countries were better off with military dictatorships running counter-insurgency states.
In the early to mid '80s, the US supported two brutal Guatemalan dictators- General Garcia and Efrain Rios Montt. Some of the torture, murder, and attacks on innocent civilians were described in "Death of a Guatemalan village by Victor Montejo.
Now, every major world power has done a lot of terrible things- and the US is a puppy dog compared to what the USSR, China, and heck, Cambodia have done in the past, but the world is probably better off if nobody is the only superpower.
Somebody took off their rose colored glasses when reading history. It like Wormheart said, quote:
"the US has spent the majority of the time throwing its weight around to gain US, not international interests."
I would limit that to only the administration's interests as well. As our current economy shows Bush isn't at the wheel at home while he plays his game of "global cowboys and indians". I guess he forgot that Americans are more interested in having a job to support a roof over our head and having enough money to pay our ever increasing energy bills.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 9:16:18 AM
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Did..we destroy China or Russia?
Yes..or no?
In fact, we destroyed Japan. So it's clear that under the right circumstances, the US is willing use the bomb without similar provocation if it thinks it can get away with it.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 10:04:34 AM
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I surely don't know where you're coming from, except that you've gotten into the hate America camp. My point is that the US has had a huge military superiority over everyone else on the planet for years. We didn't use that advantage to conquer anyone (not even Denmark  ). Why do you think that's going to change? The US is not out to build an empire anywhere. Haven't you noticed that following World War II, we didn't make half of Europe and nearly all of the Pacific theater into American states? We helped all countries rebuild, even Germany, Japan, and Italy.
And be glad the US did get involved in World War II. If we hadn't, you would be speaking either German or Russian now, probably German
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I guess you missed the sarcasm in my "upper hand" comment.
Seems like it.
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There are those who think that there must be a balance of power at any cost,
And I am one of them. Power is always a corrupting force. Should any nation gain total dominion it will be for the worse of all.
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Your point about a world dominated by US nuclear weapons: Being European, you may not really appreciate this, but for the last 20 years, that's the way it has been. Have we used them to gain control of the whole world? NO! If we wanted to control the whole world (or some part of it), why wouldn't we make our attempt when our major adversary was in shambles? It would have been so much easier then.
You miss my point.
The US has had on off good and bad administrations during the time. While you are most certainly the most powerful military on the planet, you have not been un-opposed, and more importantly, you have not had the political motivation to just take it.
I’m not concerned with the current or the coming administration. Both coming candidates seem reasonable.
But if the US has total domination, it is only a matter of time before that will be abused.
Even during the last 20 years, the US has spent the majority of the time throwing its weight around to gain US, not international interests.
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Your point about Russia or China not wanting the US to be immune from nukes: Why should we care what our potential adversaries think about it?
You missed it.
It’s not about not wanting them to feel bad. If they feel threatened that you are about to have dominion over them, they will start the conflict.
The US would never stand by, while another power got the upper hand, neither will they.
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Do you leave your home, family, and possessions unguarded because a potential murderer or thief might not like it?
No, but neither do I go around keying the motorcycles belonging to the local bikerclub, just because I have a gun.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 10:09:33 AM
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To "prove" your point, you link to a Russian propaganda site? Please!
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The Russians still have plenty of warheads. They have them, we have them and we hope that no one else gets theirs.
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At the beginning of 2008 the Russian strategic forces included 682 strategic delivery platforms, which can carry up to 3100 nuclear warheads.
That's plenty enough to annihilate North America and Europe.
http://russianforces.org/
My opinion is the same as always. If the little boys in Iran or Pakistan want to join the big boys nuke country club I'm all for it. Just so long as they remember that one screw up and the only life left in their little sandboxes will be the cockroaches.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 10:58:26 AM
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Let's see, where to start?
First - The U.S. lost it's "moral superiority" and believability insofar as disavowing a first strike when it attacked Iraq in a pre-emptive war. We attacked a country when no direct threat existed, and we're threatening to do the same thing (again) to Iran.
Second - Russia is very capable of striking back against a massive U.S. first strike, and no anti-missle system will be able to stop it - Dead Hand
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Dead Hand (or perimetr) is a Cold War era nuclear control system used by the USSR. It is an example of fail-deadly deterrence, whereby an overwhelming response is automatically triggered if the USSR's leadership were to be killed in a decapitation strike.
The purpose of the "dead hand" system is to maintain a second strike capability, by ensuring that the destruction of the Soviet leadership does not prevent the Soviet military from releasing its weapons. This issue became prominent with the development of highly accurate Submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) systems in the 1980s
Communications between the Soviet leadership and the general staff, as well other assets such as radar stations, missile silos and command centres, were continuously monitored. In the event of nuclear explosions and an unexplained communications failure, relatively junior officers were authorized to release their weapons without higher approval.
Not to worry (I hope!) -
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It is not known whether Russia continues to use the system, and it is possible that it is still in place. However, since deterrence is only achieved by advertising in advance that the dead hand system is in place, it is reasonable to speculate the system is no longer active. Some commentators state the system never operated in fully automatic mode.
By the way, an anti-missle system in Europe won't stop ALL Russian nukes -
Russia and weapons of mass destruction
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Russia possesses the largest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction in the world. Russia declared an arsenal of 40,000 tons of chemical weapons in 1997 and is said to have around 6681 nuclear weapons stockpiled in 2005, making its stockpile the largest in the world.
Sea based Strategic Fleet: 12 submarines carrying up to 609 warheads; they employ delivery systems like SS-N-30 Bulava.
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Would this include the Czech Republic?
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Doctrine of limited nuclear war
According to a Russian military doctrine stated in 2003, tactical nuclear weapons (Strategic Deterrence Forces) could be used to "prevent political pressure against Russia and her allies (Armenia, Belarus, Serbia, Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan)." Thus, the Russian leadership "is officially contemplating a limited nuclear war"
I doubt if even an American based anti-missle system would stop SLBMs (estimated 3 minutes for some targets).
It's not anti-American to realize out government is making a Big Mistake and speak out about it.
It IS unAmerican to put our country at needless risk.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 12:42:50 PM
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From a 2003 Congressional Research Service study or some such. You can read in the summary that the numbers we arrived at in 2003 are consistent from tthe "Russian propoganda" site I mentioned. It's not like I ever trusted anything done by the Republican Congress anyway but here is the report. Page 1 or 2 is the summary.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/ib98038.pdf
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Doctrine of limited nuclear war
According to a Russian military doctrine stated in 2003, tactical nuclear weapons (Strategic Deterrence Forces) could be used to "prevent political pressure against Russia and her allies (Armenia, Belarus, Serbia, Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan)." Thus, the Russian leadership "is officially contemplating a limited nuclear war"
That is nothing new and is only a continuation of their defense policies from the Cold War where the purpose of the satellites was should a western conventional army actually push into them they would simply nuke the countries. One of the great defectors in the cold war a Polish general turned coat because he realized that Poland was to be nothing more than a nuclear wasteland whose purpose was to kill western armies at the expense of Poland.
I find it ironic when people mention how weak the USSR was during the Cold War when they maintained a conventional army large enough in Europe to have reached the Atlantic in a week (according to NATO) while maintaining a huge army on the Chinese border. Some have said the purpose of US troops in Europe was to give us a reason to use nukes since we were so greatly outnumberred there.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 1:45:35 PM
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Massive armies, personnel wise, aren't in themselves, going to win wars. High quality, modern weapons can destroy those massive armies. In case you don't know, in Korea, we were able to beat back massive assaults by Chinese armies, using mainly WWII weapons, which even then were superior to the Chinese and Russian made weapons. And, we haven't mentioned the navy which can launch all sorts of missiles and planes from many places around the world. Did I mention the Stealth planes, which none of our adversaries happen to have!!
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I find it ironic when people mention how weak the USSR was during the Cold War when they maintained a conventional army large enough in Europe to have reached the Atlantic in a week (according to NATO) while maintaining a huge army on the Chinese border. Some have said the purpose of US troops in Europe was to give us a reason to use nukes since we were so greatly outnumberred there.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 2:00:25 PM
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Massive armies, personnel wise, aren't in themselves, going to win wars. High quality, modern weapons can destroy those massive armies. In case you don't know, in Korea, we were able to beat back massive assaults by Chinese armies, using mainly WWII weapons, which even then were superior to the Chinese and Russian made weapons. And, we haven't mentioned the navy which can launch all sorts of missiles and planes from many places around the world. Did I mention the Stealth planes, which none of our adversaries happen to have!!
There is no comparison to then and now. Currently there is no military on earth that can compete with ours in a conventional war. The fact that we took Baghdad with around 140k troops testifies to that. The Chinese would have been using a hodge podge of Chinese, Japanese, American etc at that time. The quality of weaponry has to be balanced by a quality of troops which the Chinese were of low caliber then. The finest example I can think of would be Georing's Luftwaffe field troops in WW 2. They were second to the SS in the equipment chain yet they were an absolute waste of men and material when they were deployed against the Russian wave attacks. When dealing with wave attacks equipment doesn't mean much anyway it is leadership and discipline.
As the years go on no one bothers to fight us in a conventional war if they can realistically help it. Why do that when we're happy to fritter away our men, material and money on things like Iraq and Vietnam?
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 2:16:08 PM
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You wrote of Russian attacks defeating superior German forces. The main reason this happened was Hitler's maniacal reasoning(?). He became enraged when his supermen met resistance at Stalingrad and other places and refused to properly supply them with food, weapons, ammunition, fuel, and even winter clothing. He withdrew air support. As a result, German troops, though highly trained and motivated at first ran out of everything and were virtually abandoned by the high command to fend for themselves and freeze in the bitter Russian winter. So yes, the best of men and weaponry without leadership is a losing situation.
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The quality of weaponry has to be balanced by a quality of troops which the Chinese were of low caliber then. The finest example I can think of would be Georing's Luftwaffe field troops in WW 2. They were second to the SS in the equipment chain yet they were an absolute waste of men and material when they were deployed against the Russian wave attacks. When dealing with wave attacks equipment doesn't mean much anyway it is leadership and discipline.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 2:25:18 PM
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In fact, we destroyed Japan.
We destroyed two cities which saved millions of lives from the inevitable invasion.
Its also an apple and orange comparison. We were in active war with Japan, a nation bent on destroying us.
Please do not equate Vietnam with Iraq. Another apples and oranges comparions. Over 50,000 american troops died in Vietnam.
If Japan broke the cease fire agreement after ww2, what would have happened? Saddam broke the ceasefire agreement, that meant war existed...it was not a first strike.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 3:05:16 PM
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Did..we destroy China or Russia?
Yes..or no?
In fact, we destroyed Japan. So it's clear that under the right circumstances, the US is willing use the bomb without similar provocation if it thinks it can get away with it.
Hm, I still see Japan on the map!!
IIRC, heh, Japan's an industrialized modern country that isn't a pauper by any means.
They sure are suffering from what the U.S. did during WWII.
I saw someone mentioned the U.S. tries to keep its own interests above international ones and saying that like it's a bad thing, like any other country out there, the U.S. looks to its own interests first.
What country doesn't look to its citizens interests first and foremost?
Last time I checked, the U.S. Constitution didn't say "We the people of the world...."
You know, if the anti-missle shield is such a big deal we shouldn't put it there.
I'm not too familiar with the why's (why there) and the reason, but it seems to me that U.S. wants to provide some defense for Europe.
But hey if they don't want it we shouldn't have to protect them, let their own militaries do it for them.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 3:36:28 PM
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I surely don't know where you're coming from, except that you've gotten into the hate America camp.
Where did that come from? I don’t hate America – we’re one of your closest allies. We have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq with you and they are coming back in coffins too, you know.
Should we have a “best friend” competition between the US, Russia, Iran or China, the US will win 10 times out of 10, without breaking a sweat.
The reason I don’t spent more time criticizing Iran or Russia here, is that there are no Russians or Iranians that post here. It would be moot arguments.
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My point is that the US has had a huge military superiority over everyone else on the planet for years. We didn't use that advantage to conquer anyone (not even Denmark ). Why do you think that's going to change?
Eh… how many times have you gone to war in the last 50 years without being attacked first? I would bet a shiny nickel that the majority of those wars were about US interests, not trying to save the world.
Blessedinnyc pointed out these:
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We certainly have been in the past. In 1954, we overthrew the democratically elected government in Guatemala because it wanted to use eminent domain on land owned by the United Fruit Company. In 1973, we overthrew the democratically elected president of Chile because he leaned Socialist. In both cases, we felt that these countries were better off with military dictatorships running counter-insurgency states.
In the early to mid '80s, the US supported two brutal Guatemalan dictators- General Garcia and Efrain Rios Montt. Some of the torture, murder, and attacks on innocent civilians were described in "Death of a Guatemalan village by Victor Montejo.
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And be glad the US did get involved in World War II. If we hadn't, you would be speaking either German or Russian now, probably German
-Dave
*Yawn*
And your gratitude to France has been ever present since the war of independence, yes? You have not criticized the people who helped you gain you independence, have you?
You didn’t join WWII to help us, although we are grateful you did. You joined because you were directly attacked by Japan.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 3:38:56 PM
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[I saw someone mentioned the U.S. tries to keep its own interests above international ones and saying that like it's a bad thing, like any other country out there, the U.S. looks to its own interests first.
What country doesn't look to its citizens interests first and foremost?
Last time I checked, the U.S. Constitution didn't say "We the people of the world...."
Exactly!
That is my point! ALL nations will look after their own interests first and foremost. Hence should any one gain total dominion, it will be a bad thing.
Should Denmark suddenly rule the world, we would end up doing the same thing. Power corrupts.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 3:53:59 PM
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You wrote of Russian attacks defeating superior German forces. The main reason this happened was Hitler's maniacal reasoning(?). He became enraged when his supermen met resistance at Stalingrad and other places and refused to properly supply them with food, weapons, ammunition, fuel, and even winter clothing. He withdrew air support. As a result, German troops, though highly trained and motivated at first ran out of everything and were virtually abandoned by the high command to fend for themselves and freeze in the bitter Russian winter. So yes, the best of men and weaponry without leadership is a losing situation.
Specifically I pointed out the Luftwaffe troops who recieved equipment that was consistently superior to the Wehrmacht and more on par with what the SS recieved. The Luftwaffe was the air force and Hitler ordered Goering some time around the turn of '41 to '42 to cannibilize some of his excess troops and to make them ground troops. Since Hitler didn't explicitly state that these were to be absorbed into either the army or the SS they were yet another "private army" the Germans had since that was how Goering chose to interpret the order. The enlisted men, the nco's and the officers had no experience with ground warfare or tactics and they got sent to the worst front of the war. All of their pretty new equipment instead of being sent to established troops who were strung out from the winter campaigning were sent to men who simply went off to die. Now the Fallshirmjager and the Hermann Goering Division were pretty competent but sadly the lives of those who in the field divisions was forfeit. So you had excellently equipped troops that were poorly led and they had disastrous results that was the point I was making- that low quality troops with good equipment are still low quality. It was the best example I could think of. In both world wars though the Germans had to deal with Russian masses attacks and it is horrific to read about. Iran did that same thing to Iraq in their war in the '80s which is what forced Saddam to earnestly fire up his chemical and biological weapons program.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 3:58:09 PM
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That is my point! ALL nations will look after their own interests first and foremost. Hence should any one gain total dominion, it will be a bad thing.
Should Denmark suddenly rule the world, we would end up doing the same thing. Power corrupts.
Well, we've all read about the days when the Vikings owned the western world and it was pretty gruesome. ; )
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 4:17:12 PM
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You can *Yawn* all you want, but it's true. And we've bailed France out on several occasions, both World Wars. They showed their appreciation by disagreeing with the US in most UN issues. They really love us!
The US was being actively engaged in the War before Japan attacked us. Have you heard about the shipping Germany sunk before Pearl Harbor and the war materials we sent to Europe before Pearl Harbor? How about the Lend-Lease program that sent money and material to Europe? And the last I heard, only Finland had repaid their debt.
And I'm really glad you weren't forced to speak German and learn how to goose step.
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And be glad the US did get involved in World War II. If we hadn't, you would be speaking either German or Russian now, probably German
-Dave
*Yawn*
And your gratitude to France has been ever present since the war of independence, yes? You have not criticized the people who helped you gain you independence, have you?
You didn’t join WWII to help us, although we are grateful you did. You joined because you were directly attacked by Japan.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 7:16:35 PM
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You can *Yawn* all you want, but it's true. And we've bailed France out on several occasions, both World Wars. They showed their appreciation by disagreeing with the US in most UN issues. They really love us!
De Gaulle sadly is probably the main reason the US and France went such different paths. : /
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And I'm really glad you weren't forced to speak German and learn how to goose step.
Christian X wouldn't have put up with it. ; ) If half of the stories I have heard of him are true he is the most underappreciated leader of the war. It is interesting that while Denmark didn't resist he also kept his government in Copenhagen.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 7:56:23 PM
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TaoPoohBear
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Did I mention the Stealth planes, which none of our adversaries happen to have!!
-Dave
Theoretically there are a number of methods to detect stealth aircraft at long range
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Wing vortices, Reflected waves, Electromagnetic emissions, Infrared (heat), Wavelength match, OTH Radar
You might want to stick with things you know about, the Russian military not being one of them.
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 8:01:58 PM
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Peter_Gunn
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You might want to stick with things you know about, the Russian military not being one of them.
Ouch!
I do love Wikipedia! You can always trust them!
By the way, what does the "Tao" in your name mean???
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 8:17:39 PM
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RichLP
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Let's see.
Former Warsaw Pact members are now in NATO. And this missile shield system would be very near the western Russian border.
The Russians have every reason to be annoyed. They now may have these missiles very close to them.
Look folks, let's imagine that there had been a Latin vs. North America cold war and that America had Mexico and all of Central America as "satellites." Suppose then that Brazil or Argentina, the other superpower, had "liberated" through diplomacy and local democratic revolutions, the nations of Central America and Mexico, and then suppose that the given South American superpower incorporated Mexico and all of those Central American states into a Pan-Latin American military alliance - and that Brazil or Argentina signed an agreement with Mexico to install a missile defense system immediately south of the Mexican borders with Texas, California, and Arizona.
Does anyone really think the powers in Washington, D.C. would have remained silent?
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"We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda" - G.W. Bush lies to America and to the world, 5/1/2003
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RE: Is the Cold War becoming a HOT issue - 7/10/2008 8:20:38 PM
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RichLP
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You can *Yawn* all you want, but it's true. And we've bailed France out on several occasions, both World Wars. They showed their appreciation by disagreeing with th | | |
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