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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/7/2008 2:03:43 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Except "drunk" is my word, The OP never said that his friends get drunk. Also, my concept of drunk may not be the biblical concept of drunk. I have never been drunk, or had any kind of "buzz," so I don't have anything to base my concept upon.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/7/2008 6:08:44 AM
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I guess what Hustler really needs is some Christians on the staff
If their opinion was represented...would that be a bad thing?
Did Jesus seperate Himself from sinners? It would seem, if all He did was hang out with church people...He would have been really lonely since He didn't exactly treat the religious people of the day very kindly.
How do we witness to people..we don't know? Shout from the car as we drive by, " Jesus is Lord!!" Driveby evangilism?
A christian should not be in a bar to get drunk...or write in Hustler to promote porn. However they can be in thses places to represent Christ. It sure would be a bad world if we did not.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/7/2008 8:34:05 AM
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For the record, most states have strict laws on alcohol consumption and driving. You don't have to be drunk to be arrested for DUI. In my state, you could be arrested for drinking more than one beer and driving.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/7/2008 8:36:39 AM
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For the record, DUI is defined solely by blood alcohol content at the time of detention. The only way to absolutely remain under legal limits is NOT to drink, period.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/7/2008 9:42:47 AM
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Having accepted Christ as Savior 24 years ago, this appealed to me. seeing i did not give up drinking at the time and to this day still have, only less. i would see it beneficial to have a christian influence around. My husband, a Christian, has stuck with me since we got married. As a matter of fact, just last night we were discussing how we shouldn't agree with other pe0ples sins. But i will tell you, the friends that did confront me and gave me an ultimatum, i have no idea how they are doing right now.-long ago. it is wonderful to have a Christian that does not drinks influence.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/7/2008 11:45:17 PM
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Except "drunk" is my word, The OP never said that his friends get drunk. Also, my concept of drunk may not be the biblical concept of drunk. I have never been drunk, or had any kind of "buzz," so I don't have anything to base my concept upon.
College dorm+drinking = Getting drunk...
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/7/2008 11:50:03 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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For the record, DUI is defined solely by blood alcohol content at the time of detention. The only way to absolutely remain under legal limits is NOT to drink, period.
Actually it's a matter of math so you are absolutely wrong...
John
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/8/2008 1:26:55 AM
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i've spent ALOT of time in various bars, and I can tell you with experience that it is a great place to witness to people. Then again, most often I didn't drink, and I never got drunk when I did drink. There's more to do in bars than just drinking, and its also not a bad idea to set a positive example for those around you.
So for someone to say that going to bars is wrong, or being around people drinking is wrong, in all situations, is naive at best. To you it may be, but that doesn't mean it is wrong for your brother to do so in his freedom.
p.s. I'm not advocating that Christians drink, I personally have had 2 beers in the span of the last few months. I'm not for it or against it unless it becomes the focus of someone's life. Anything that takes us away from God is to be avoided.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/8/2008 5:20:35 AM
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Is your answer is to hang out in topless bars?
Being in a room where alcohol is served and not imbibing is a whole lot different than being in a room where the sin is something your eyes digest. I would not support any christian hanging out at a strip club.
I am not sure I would support a christian hanging out at a bar. Like I said, once in a while would be "ok" depending on what you did when you were there and who you are and what the purpose of being there is.
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How about Pedophiles for Christ?
I am not sure how this comment was generated from my post quoted above it...
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A christian should not be in a bar to get drunk...or write in Hustler to promote porn. However they can be in thses places to represent Christ. It sure would be a bad world if we did not.
A christian in a bar should not be a drunk. A christian working at Hustler shouldn't be promoting porn.
Now, each is a unique situation and I doubt seriously if a christian not only could work at Hustler, but would. I doubt his views would be well accepted...or printed.
However, a christian can accomplish Godly goals in a bar.
Its not a place I should be in. For others it might be ok.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/8/2008 6:57:10 AM
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drmark
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And we're better off with you not drinking if you don't know how to drink responsibly. Whether or not I drink is totally irrelevant to the fact that BAC is always ZERO when there is no alcohol ingestion!
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Actually it's a matter of math so you are absolutely wrong... No, it's actually a matter of pharmacokinetics. Please present data that BAC may be >0.0 in a completely abstinent person.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/8/2008 7:24:05 AM
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i've spent ALOT of time in various bars, and I can tell you with experience that it is a great place to witness to people. Then again, most often I didn't drink, and I never got drunk when I did drink. There's more to do in bars than just drinking, and its also not a bad idea to set a positive example for those around you.
So for someone to say that going to bars is wrong, or being around people drinking is wrong, in all situations, is naive at best. To you it may be, but that doesn't mean it is wrong for your brother to do so in his freedom.
p.s. I'm not advocating that Christians drink, I personally have had 2 beers in the span of the last few months. I'm not for it or against it unless it becomes the focus of someone's life. Anything that takes us away from God is to be avoided.
Personally, I think that this is a matter of prudential judgement. I have no problem going to a bar and (gasp) having a drink or two. Jesus himself hung out with people who drank, and he even made more wine when they ran out. Sounds like he would have been popular at my college.
Of course, if you don't want to go to a bar, then the choice is simple: don't.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/8/2008 10:39:05 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Being in a room where alcohol is served and not imbibing is a whole lot different than being in a room where the sin is something your eyes digest. I would not support any christian hanging out at a strip club.
Double standard... If hanging with drunks is ok what is wrong with hanging with partially nude drunks?
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How about Pedophiles for Christ?
I am not sure how this comment was generated from my post quoted above it...
It was posted to see if there is a limit...
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A christian in a bar should not be a drunk. A christian working at Hustler shouldn't be promoting porn.
Shouldn't that be a Christian shouldn't be working at Hustler in the first place?
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However, a christian can accomplish Godly goals in a bar.
But not at Mustang Ranch or the Playboy Mansion?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/8/2008 10:42:42 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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So for someone to say that going to bars is wrong, or being around people drinking is wrong, in all situations, is naive at best. To you it may be, but that doesn't mean it is wrong for your brother to do so in his freedom.
So Christians can hang with fornicators, liars, idolaters, those who worship whatever, porn stars, etc...
John
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 1:02:06 AM
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Jet_A_Jockey
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So for someone to say that going to bars is wrong, or being around people drinking is wrong, in all situations, is naive at best. To you it may be, but that doesn't mean it is wrong for your brother to do so in his freedom.
So Christians can hang with fornicators, liars, idolaters, those who worship whatever, porn stars, etc...
John
If you want to look at everything black and white you are going to miss the rest of the color spectrum. Those same fornicators, liars, idolaters, etc are the very people we are to reach out to, not to mention we have all been at one time. Let the Spirit within you shine like a beacon, to who? your brethren? or the world? You can have exclusivity and elitism if you want, but its not my path. God bless.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 1:30:42 AM
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But not at Mustang Ranch or the Playboy Mansion?
I told this story on another thread, I think, but I suppose it bears repeating...
I heard this from a speaker at a CCEF (Christian counseling, good stuff, it's up near Philly near the end of the summer) conference. There was a church that met in rented space in a strip mall. At the other end of this strip mall there was, no pun intended, a strip joint. One day, the church heard that one of the strippers had been killed in a car accident the night before. A number of the women from the church got together, bought a big ol' bouquet of flowers and went over the the joint. They got many odd looks as they went in, told the owners who they were and where they were from, and dropped off the flowers with their condolences.
The following Sunday, every stripper from that place was in that church, hearing the Word of God preached.
All that to say, it probably would NOT have been a good idea for the men of the church to do that same task. However, those ladies saw an opportunity to manifest God's love in a real way, and they took it - even though it meant going into somewhere "seedy."
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 8:05:39 AM
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So Christians can hang with fornicators, liars, idolaters, those who worship whatever, porn stars, etc...
This thread is dealing with 'being around people who drink'. Throwing out inflammatory remarks does not foster discussion. Lets stick to that topic and not drag in a bunch of scenarios that are off topic. Thank you.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 8:30:44 AM
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Jesus himself hung out with people who drank, and he even made more wine when they ran out.
Show me scripturally where He hung out with these types of people. Show me where He was buddy buddy with them.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 8:42:07 AM
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deliveredarling
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No, I do not believe it is ok or me to hang out in a bar. Nor do I believe it is ok to be a designated driver. (All that does, is helps the drunks continue in their sinning, you have then become an accomplice to their sin).
A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. if one"small" sin becomes ok, then the next sin will become ok. The enemy can do wonders when working under the guise of doing something right. A bar is no place for a Christian. Some of you say, we can witness in a bar. Do you really believe that a bar hopper is going to take a drinking Christian seriously? Do you really believe that you are setting a holy standard as your witness or did your action, drinking and being in the bar really say to those people, "we don't take the Holiness of our Father seriously. He accepts this behavior from us and He accepts your sin too."
Jesus did not hang out with the continuous sinners! He rebuked them. Only after they turned from their sin did He allow them in His presence on a regular basis.
You don't have to have a bar to be social or drink to have fun.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 9:37:40 AM
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Jesus himself hung out with people who drank, and he even made more wine when they ran out.
Show me scripturally where He hung out with these types of people. Show me where He was buddy buddy with them.
Did they not serve wine at the wedding at Cana? Did they not run out and he made more wine. And did he not save the good stuff for last? After all, how could they normally get away with serving an inferior wine after a good wine if their senses were not dulled from drinking the wine?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 9:40:58 AM
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Jesus did not hang out with the continuous sinners! He rebuked them. Only after they turned from their sin did He allow them in His presence on a regular basis.
I challenge you to show me that. His strong rebukes were to the self-righteous religious people (church hypocrites in today's lingo) that wouldn't dirty their feet by coming near common sinners. The self-righteous religious folk denounced Jesus for being a friend to sinners and called Him a glutton and winebibber (drunkard) because of it.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 9:41:32 AM
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martyfran
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Do you really believe that you are setting a holy standard as your witness or did your action, drinking and being in the bar really say to those people, "we don't take the Holiness of our Father seriously. He accepts this behavior from us and He accepts your sin too."
How does going to a bar sufficient proof of a lack of holiness?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/9/2008 10:50:16 AM
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Did they not serve wine at the wedding at Cana? Did they not run out and he made more wine. And did he not save the good stuff for last? After all, how could they normally get away with serving an inferior wine after a good wine if their senses were not dulled from drinking the wine?
This was NOT my challenge to you-Show me where He HUNG OUT and was BUDDY BUDDY.
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being a friend to sinners and called Him a glutton and winebibber (drunkard) because of it.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. Loving someone in their sin is very different from encouraging them in it. Jesus din not encourage them to continue in their sin. Hanging out and being buddy buddy with an intentional sinner is not what Jesus did. After giving them the Truth, He did not accept or allow them to continue in His presence if they rejected Him. As a matter of fact , he told His disciples if they were rejected to shake the dust from their feet and keep moving.
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I challenge you to show me that. His strong rebukes were to the self-righteous religious people (church hypocrites in today's lingo)
These are sinners too. 
Mat 5:6 "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
Mat 5:20 "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses {that} of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Mar 8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
Luk 16:15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.
Mat 18:7 "Woe to the world because of {its} stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!
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