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celebratejesus911 -> Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 12:03:47 AM)

I have heard this term since the beginning of my walk with Christ in 93. It was maybe a week ago a verse was shown to me by I believe, the Holy Spirit.
NKJV
2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,[fn2]

2Pe 1:21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[fn3] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

This was enlightning to me to say the least. I've been saying, especially over the last 2 years, that I don't interpret scripture, that I ask God to teach me what it says.

I see in these verses that the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit(knew that)so how could I not get the fact an unsaved person without the Holy Spirit cannot understand "spiritual" things(just started thinking about that). It's like I knew I could not interpret but hadn't seen the verses. Hope this doesn't freak anyone out but I can't help but think that God can teach us His Word even if we don't have a bible?? Im not recommending that but I just feel He keeps revealing this stuff to me that just doesn't go along with some of what churches teach.

Please don't misunderstand, I love the Lord and His Word. And I know there are good churches etc. But has that sort of thing happened or crossed anyone elses mind?

God bless, your sister in Christ, denise
PS Maybe I just never heard a sermon on it.



MrFribbles -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 12:58:00 AM)

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I see in these verses that the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit(knew that)so how could I not get the fact an unsaved person without the Holy Spirit cannot understand "spiritual" things


While it is true that people who do not have the Holy Spirit (unsaved people, in other words), that doesn't mean they cannot have useful insights in an academic sense. Some of the best insights I've read about the grammatical structure of Old Testament poetry and narrative have come from an unbeliever. However, like I said, those were academic - I certainly didn't agree with many of the author's theological conclusions.

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Hope this doesn't freak anyone out but I can't help but think that God can teach us His Word even if we don't have a bible??


I certainly think He can. I've heard stories of people who have never met a Christian, never heard the gospel, hearing about the good news of Christ through some supernatural means. I've personally never heard of someone receiving Scripture directly from God, but I'm sure that if God needed someone to know His Word at a specific time, He can certainly give it to them!

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Im not recommending that but I just feel He keeps revealing this stuff to me that just doesn't go along with some of what churches teach.


What, in your opinion, are churches teaching that goes against God's word?



celebratejesus911 -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 1:58:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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I see in these verses that the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit(knew that)so how could I not get the fact an unsaved person without the Holy Spirit cannot understand "spiritual" things


While it is true that people who do not have the Holy Spirit (unsaved people, in other words), that doesn't mean they cannot have useful insights in an academic sense. Some of the best insights I've read about the grammatical structure of Old Testament poetry and narrative have come from an unbeliever. However, like I said, those were academic - I certainly didn't agree with many of the author's theological conclusions.

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Hope this doesn't freak anyone out but I can't help but think that God can teach us His Word even if we don't have a bible??


I certainly think He can. I've heard stories of people who have never met a Christian, never heard the gospel, hearing about the good news of Christ through some supernatural means. I've personally never heard of someone receiving Scripture directly from God, but I'm sure that if God needed someone to know His Word at a specific time, He can certainly give it to them!

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Im not recommending that but I just feel He keeps revealing this stuff to me that just doesn't go along with some of what churches teach.


What, in your opinion, are churches teaching that goes against God's word?

Im just having to deal with some things right now. I am not even sure what to say. This is a new site, I know no one here and I want to talk but don't feel comfortable with it all yet.

About churches, too many have forgotten their first love for one thing. The "feel-good" churches are bringing in people like crazy, 1000's in attendance but they are preaching a watered-down, "stay in your comfort zone" bible. That's just the tip of the iceberg. But, the good news is, the buildings are not the Body of Christ. Yes, there are christians in all of the churches but the church buildings and their "owners" are into big business instead of Gods Business. IMHO :) Even some of the smaller congregations are getting on the band-wagon. It's how I see it.

In His Grip, denise:)



asmsw -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 6:04:12 AM)

I definately think that unbelievers have much trouble understanding the Bible. The man who helped bring me to Christ told me that the Bible is written in code. Only those who seek will fully understand it.

I hated hearing him say that. But I have to say it was true for me. Ironically the more I tried to understand the more I seeked God, therefore I had some knowledge, but it came so quick when I decided to become a Christian.

This is absolutely disgusting, but I was reading a website on the Justifications for Homosexuality. (I like examining both sides, also I was interested in how any Christian can justify it)

And the whole argument was that Jesus said whatever goes into a man does not make him unclean, but what comes out.

They didn't use any more, just that verse(s), so the idea that anything entering your body from the outside is completely fine. (Yes, that includes male organs, as well as I guess virtually anything)

It showed me how wicked and deceptive Satan can be with using scripture to just completely warp and pervert the meaning.

Ehud



deliveredarling -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 7:44:39 AM)

Now that was a twisted interpretation[:'(]



celebratejesus911 -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 9:04:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: asmsw

I definately think that unbelievers have much trouble understanding the Bible. The man who helped bring me to Christ told me that the Bible is written in code. Only those who seek will fully understand it.

I hated hearing him say that. But I have to say it was true for me. Ironically the more I tried to understand the more I seeked God, therefore I had some knowledge, but it came so quick when I decided to become a Christian.

This is absolutely disgusting, but I was reading a website on the Justifications for Homosexuality. (I like examining both sides, also I was interested in how any Christian can justify it)

And the whole argument was that Jesus said whatever goes into a man does not make him unclean, but what comes out.

They didn't use any more, just that verse(s), so the idea that anything entering your body from the outside is completely fine. (Yes, that includes male organs, as well as I guess virtually anything)

It showed me how wicked and deceptive Satan can be with using scripture to just completely warp and pervert the meaning.

Ehud


Ehud, thank you for your reply. Sometimes I feel I am making no sense at all and just sound like a nut. Then God sends someone that "gets" what Im saying, God bless you and bless you especially for allowing Him to use you.

This fallen world is on self-destruct. Some blame God for the way it is but it is the sin of man that brought the world down. The homosexual thing is just one of the proofs of Gods Word for mankind, this is how I believe. satan is the deceiver/liar and He twists the Word in hopes someone will "fall" for his lies. I believe that when some are miserable they want to bring others down to their level, satan in a nutshell. We can accept our salvation(a free gift that cost Jesus everything)or we can go down to the pit that is all that's left when God, lovingly allows us to refuse that gift.

I wandered off, typical of me but I thank you again and we have to pray for those that are falling right into the hands of satan. May they see the Light of Jesus in us or someone, and reach for the Lords arms ready to take them back.

Your sister in Christ, denise



URForgiven -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 9:13:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celebratejesus911

I have heard this term since the beginning of my walk with Christ in 93. It was maybe a week ago a verse was shown to me by I believe, the Holy Spirit.
NKJV
2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,[fn2]

2Pe 1:21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[fn3] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

This was enlightning to me to say the least. I've been saying, especially over the last 2 years, that I don't interpret scripture, that I ask God to teach me what it says.



Yes, the Scriptures are not open to interpretation, but only to revelation. Anyone can read the words in the Bible, they can read what it says, but they cannot understand what it means, without the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

...and knowing what it means, is the difference between knowing truth - which sets you free; or being deceived by error - which keeps you in bondage.

Peace



celebratejesus911 -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 9:17:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Now that was a twisted interpretation[:'(]
Morning delivered! It's good to see a familiar name, I know yesterday was my first day here but already, I am starting to recognize some folks:) Lets all remember to pray for those that are blinded. I believe God has a purpose for all things. Some folks hate it when I say that because they point out the atrocities in this world, abortions, abuse to children, and to our most precious treasure, the elderly. But these things are not of God. He does not want them to happen but He allows it because stubborn, rebellious man must learn at any cost I suppose:( but because God loves us that much. This is harsh but it comes to me now as I type. My brother is paralized from the chest down from a bike accident. With all my heart I believe God would rather allow my brother to be paralized than to not have him in eternity with His Father one day. God would rather have me suffer the adversities in my life than to give me all the "toys" of this world and allow me to go to hell without Him.

Wandering again, love and blessings to you today, your sister in Christ, denise



celebratejesus911 -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 9:24:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

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ORIGINAL: celebratejesus911

I have heard this term since the beginning of my walk with Christ in 93. It was maybe a week ago a verse was shown to me by I believe, the Holy Spirit.
NKJV
2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,[fn2]

2Pe 1:21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[fn3] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

This was enlightning to me to say the least. I've been saying, especially over the last 2 years, that I don't interpret scripture, that I ask God to teach me what it says.



Yes, the Scriptures are not open to interpretation, but only to revelation. Anyone can read the words in the Bible, they can read what it says, but they cannot understand what it means, without the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

...and knowing what it means, is the difference between knowing truth - which sets you free; or being deceived by error - which keeps you in bondage.

Peace


I know none are perfect, but you all have no idea how beautiful you are to me this a.m. I was starving for fellowship and I read your words and I believe I have received answer to my prayer to meet folks. I am stuck in the country, far from town. Have wheels but they're gas propelled, so much for those wheels, LOL!! So God gives me a christian forum that actually has christians on it, LOL!!

Thank you for your reply, your sister in Christ, denise
PS God bless this day, go before all your warriors(Your kids Father)and prepare "Your Way" for them. May they each find favor in the heart of every person they come in contact with, may Your Light shine in them brightly as it has to me this a.m.:) in the precious name of Jesus, amen



AprilDiamond1952 -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 12:46:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celebratejesus911

I have heard this term since the beginning of my walk with Christ in 93. It was maybe a week ago a verse was shown to me by I believe, the Holy Spirit.
NKJV
2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,[fn2]

2Pe 1:21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[fn3] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

This was enlightning to me to say the least. I've been saying, especially over the last 2 years, that I don't interpret scripture, that I ask God to teach me what it says.

I see in these verses that the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit(knew that)so how could I not get the fact an unsaved person without the Holy Spirit cannot understand "spiritual" things(just started thinking about that). It's like I knew I could not interpret but hadn't seen the verses. Hope this doesn't freak anyone out but I can't help but think that God can teach us His Word even if we don't have a bible?? Im not recommending that but I just feel He keeps revealing this stuff to me that just doesn't go along with some of what churches teach.

Please don't misunderstand, I love the Lord and His Word. And I know there are good churches etc. But has that sort of thing happened or crossed anyone elses mind?

God bless, your sister in Christ, denise
PS Maybe I just never heard a sermon on it.


1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither, can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (KJV Authorized)



celebratejesus911 -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 2:28:53 PM)

Perfect verse sis, thank you so much:)

In His Grip, denise:)



Liveloved -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 8:29:41 PM)

denise,

Before the average person had a printed Bible, such as those who lived in community, they heard the word. And the Holy Spirit illuminated this word for them. In fact, I remember reading about a man who said that before he understood Latin (and that is the only language he heard the scripture read in and he did not know Latin), he would be given understanding (by God) as to its meaning. I thought that was a beautiful confirmation of the verse you are quoting from Peter. Also I John says a similar thought (2:27).

Scholarly teaching/learning is not a substitute for revelation. The Holy Spirit is our teacher. He has no doctrinal bent.

Good questions/good discussion. Bless you![:)] LL



celebratejesus911 -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 9:15:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Liveloved

denise,

Before the average person had a printed Bible, such as those who lived in community, they heard the word. And the Holy Spirit illuminated this word for them. In fact, I remember reading about a man who said that before he understood Latin (and that is the only language he heard the scripture read in and he did not know Latin), he would be given understanding (by God) as to its meaning. I thought that was a beautiful confirmation of the verse you are quoting from Peter. Also I John says a similar thought (2:27).

Scholarly teaching/learning is not a substitute for revelation. The Holy Spirit is our teacher. He has no doctrinal bent.

Good questions/good discussion. Bless you![:)] LL

Thanks LL, good stuff!! I so appreciate it:) In His Grip, ysic, denise



celebratejesus911 -> RE: Interpreting Scripture?? Can we?? Not without the Holy Spirit imho (7/6/2008 9:17:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

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ORIGINAL: celebratejesus911

I have heard this term since the beginning of my walk with Christ in 93. It was maybe a week ago a verse was shown to me by I believe, the Holy Spirit.
NKJV
2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,[fn2]

2Pe 1:21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[fn3] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

This was enlightning to me to say the least. I've been saying, especially over the last 2 years, that I don't interpret scripture, that I ask God to teach me what it says.



Yes, the Scriptures are not open to interpretation, but only to revelation. Anyone can read the words in the Bible, they can read what it says, but they cannot understand what it means, without the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

...and knowing what it means, is the difference between knowing truth - which sets you free; or being deceived by error - which keeps you in bondage.

Peace

Thank UR, what a good read that was! God bless, denise, ysic



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