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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/8/2008 6:42:04 PM
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What do you think of their decisions on due process?
This is going to sound wishy washy but I agree with the decision less than I did before. So to try and answer it while I disagree with the dissent the majority probably made a bigger mess of things than was neccessary.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/8/2008 11:30:38 PM
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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.
Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
So, as rlj pointed out, you do never know what you're going to get. SCJ nominations, then, is a rather moot issue, IMHO.
It's not a moot issue it about rationalizing support for those who without a doubt support abortion...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/9/2008 7:25:45 AM
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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.
Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
So, as rlj pointed out, you do never know what you're going to get. SCJ nominations, then, is a rather moot issue, IMHO.
It's not a moot issue it about rationalizing support for those who without a doubt support abortion...
John
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Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/9/2008 7:57:36 PM
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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.
Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
So, as rlj pointed out, you do never know what you're going to get. SCJ nominations, then, is a rather moot issue, IMHO.
It's not a moot issue it about rationalizing support for those who without a doubt support abortion...
John
t, t!
Like I said, it's all about finding excuses for supporting those who actually support the murder of the unborn...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/9/2008 8:02:53 PM
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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.
Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
So, as rlj pointed out, you do never know what you're going to get. SCJ nominations, then, is a rather moot issue, IMHO.
It's not a moot issue it about rationalizing support for those who without a doubt support abortion...
John
t, t!
Like I said, it's all about finding excuses for supporting those who actually support the murder of the unborn...
John
I quite agree with the cows, !)
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/9/2008 9:32:47 PM
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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.
Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
So, as rlj pointed out, you do never know what you're going to get. SCJ nominations, then, is a rather moot issue, IMHO.
It's not a moot issue it about rationalizing support for those who without a doubt support abortion...
John
t, t!
Like I said, it's all about finding excuses for supporting those who actually support the murder of the unborn...
John
I quite agree with the cows, !)
They might buy into the rationalizing of support for abortion... But I do hold out hope for them...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/11/2008 4:40:45 PM
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McCain and Obama are night and day on the issue of abortion. Since they are the 2 major players in the race for president, the choice should be a no brainer for those concerned about the practice of aborting babies.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/11/2008 10:20:10 PM
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McCain and Obama are night and day on the issue of abortion. Since they are the 2 major players in the race for president, the choice should be a no brainer for those concerned about the practice of aborting babies.
Two out of three cows agree...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/12/2008 1:02:19 PM
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McCain still supports embryonic stem cell research.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/14/2008 10:08:47 PM
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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.
Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
So, as rlj pointed out, you do never know what you're going to get. SCJ nominations, then, is a rather moot issue, IMHO.
It's not a moot issue it about rationalizing support for those who without a doubt support abortion...
John
t, t!
Like I said, it's all about finding excuses for supporting those who actually support the murder of the unborn...
John
BTW, John, it's not about finding excuses, it's about facts.
And the fact is Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
No amount of side-issueing on your part can dispute these facts.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/14/2008 11:09:49 PM
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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.
Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
So, as rlj pointed out, you do never know what you're going to get. SCJ nominations, then, is a rather moot issue, IMHO.
It's not a moot issue it about rationalizing support for those who without a doubt support abortion...
John
t, t!
Like I said, it's all about finding excuses for supporting those who actually support the murder of the unborn...
John
BTW, John, it's not about finding excuses, it's about facts.
And the fact is Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
No amount of side-issueing on your part can dispute these facts.
As well the fact that people will go to great lengths to justify their support those who support abortion...
Btw... No amount of reasoning will suffice for supporting anyone that supports the murder of the unborn...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/14/2008 11:21:02 PM
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The pro-life SC justices were all appointed by Republicans. Democrats have appointed only pro-abortion justices.
Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
So, as rlj pointed out, you do never know what you're going to get. SCJ nominations, then, is a rather moot issue, IMHO.
It's not a moot issue it about rationalizing support for those who without a doubt support abortion...
John
t, t!
Like I said, it's all about finding excuses for supporting those who actually support the murder of the unborn...
John
BTW, John, it's not about finding excuses, it's about facts.
And the fact is Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
No amount of side-issueing on your part can dispute these facts.
As well the fact that people will go to great lengths to justify their support those who support abortion...
Btw... No amount of reasoning will suffice for supporting anyone that supports the murder of the unborn...
John
John,
No matter where you stand on the issue of abortion, the fact is Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
No matter if you're Democrat or Republican, the aforementioned facts remain, no matter how much you choose to TRY to diminish them.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/14/2008 11:53:59 PM
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No matter where you stand on the issue of abortion, the fact is Republicans also appointed pro-choice SCJ O' Connor (apptd by Reagan).
And both SCJ Souter (Bush I) and SCJ Kennedy (Reagan) were highly lauded by conservatives back in the day. However, Souter usually votes with the liberal wing, and Kennedy, in 1992 in Casey v Planned Parenthood, gave the deciding vote to uphold RVW. His vote could have reversed RVW - but he voted to uphold it.
No matter if you're Democrat or Republican, the aforementioned facts remain, no matter how much you choose to TRY to diminish them.
Any attempt to use the above in order to say there is no discernable difference between the parties regarding the murder of the unborn is disingenuous and commonly used by people in order to justify support for abortion... And if you believe both parties support the murder of the unborn a vote for either is an issue...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/15/2008 3:44:46 AM
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My 2 cents on McCain:
While he may not be perfect pro-life (even though NRL has basically endorsed him)...I certainly disagree with those who say there's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats today in anything. IMO McCain would do a lot more than Obama on the issue.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/15/2008 12:27:08 PM
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My 2 cents on McCain:
While he may not be perfect pro-life (even though NRL has basically endorsed him)...I certainly disagree with those who say there's no difference between the Republicans and Democrats today in anything. IMO McCain would do a lot more than Obama on the issue.
Anyone with an honest interest in abortion knows that there are significant differences between the parties. There are certainly many, many people alive today because they were protected by Republican policies that would have been murdered had Democrats had their way.
The notion that there is no difference in practice or outcome between the two parties is nothing more than self-delusion. It is a worthless attempt to justify their support for people who believe in unrestricted slaughter of the unborn.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/19/2008 5:40:09 PM
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In the San Francisco Chronicle (8/20/99) McCain sided with the pro-abortion camp, suggesting that overturning Roe v. Wade would lead to illegal abortions. Realizing, however, that he could not inveigle the GOP nomination with such views, McCain more recently has resold himself as pro-life, even saying he would support the South Dakota ban. What are Americans to believe? He either is pro-choice or lacks any real conviction on the subject.
Question Thomas, why do we always focus on things in politics that the Bible either doesn't mention or barely mention (abortion, homosexuals) yet ignore everthing else (poverty, homelessness, people in need)
I've noticed that about this site. Really disturbs me.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/19/2008 9:29:23 PM
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In the San Francisco Chronicle (8/20/99) McCain sided with the pro-abortion camp, suggesting that overturning Roe v. Wade would lead to illegal abortions. Realizing, however, that he could not inveigle the GOP nomination with such views, McCain more recently has resold himself as pro-life, even saying he would support the South Dakota ban. What are Americans to believe? He either is pro-choice or lacks any real conviction on the subject.
Question Thomas, why do we always focus on things in politics that the Bible either doesn't mention or barely mention (abortion, homosexuals) yet ignore everthing else (poverty, homelessness, people in need)
I've noticed that about this site. Really disturbs me.
People who believe in abortion and the homosexual agenda are poor in more ways than those who needs food...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/19/2008 9:35:24 PM
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VIDEO HERE
In the San Francisco Chronicle (8/20/99) McCain sided with the pro-abortion camp, suggesting that overturning Roe v. Wade would lead to illegal abortions. Realizing, however, that he could not inveigle the GOP nomination with such views, McCain more recently has resold himself as pro-life, even saying he would support the South Dakota ban. What are Americans to believe? He either is pro-choice or lacks any real conviction on the subject.
Question Thomas, why do we always focus on things in politics that the Bible either doesn't mention or barely mention (abortion, homosexuals) yet ignore everthing else (poverty, homelessness, people in need)
I've noticed that about this site. Really disturbs me.
People who believe in abortion and the homosexual agenda are poor in more ways than those who needs food...
John
Then I am thankful the Jesus that I read about in my handy Bible says otherwise. He fed the poor, helped the ones who are sick. He was a great social advocate. Even in the Old Testament if you read it as it says, you will see God's merciful side. The Prophets, God's spokemen, were downright mad that the higher classes were not helping out the less fortunate.
Why are our priorities not the priorities the God we serve in the Bible identical? They certainly aren't when I read these political discussion portions of this website.
Now let me repeat, why do we NEVER focus on this yet its literally a central theme of the Bible?
I've never been able to truly understand this. I am reading the Bible literally here.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/19/2008 10:58:23 PM
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Then I am thankful the Jesus that I read about in my handy Bible says otherwise.
I believe its better to be without food than without the Spirit of God...
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He fed the poor, helped the ones who are sick. He was a great social advocate. Even in the Old Testament if you read it as it says, you will see God's merciful side. The Prophets, God's spokemen, were downright mad that the higher classes were not helping out the less fortunate.
Why are our priorities not the priorities the God we serve in the Bible identical? They certainly aren't when I read these political discussion portions of this website.
Now let me repeat, why do we NEVER focus on this yet its literally a central theme of the Bible?
I've never been able to truly understand this. I am reading the Bible literally here.
Why don't you start a thread.... :)
Btw... The bible speaks rather sharp and clear on the matters of abortion(murder) and homosexuality, literally...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/20/2008 2:43:16 PM
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Btw... The bible speaks rather sharp and clear on the matters of abortion(murder) and homosexuality, literally...
John
It speaks even more sharply and clearly on poverty. Perhaps more importantly, the sharpest and clearest words are for those who claim to be religious and yet do nothing to promote social justice (Matthew 23).
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/20/2008 3:30:36 PM
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By all means make your case that Jesus was more concerned about the temporal matters over the spiritual...
Are we reading the same Bible? Why do we bash candidates when they make anything other than abortion and homosexuality God's top priority?
Are you going to go after the prophets next? They didn't say a thing about those two, if you actually read them, you would see they were concerned with what? Justice for the Poor. Mishpat(hebrew word of Justice) is one of the most prominant hebrew words especially in the Old Testament. Are you going to tell the Prophets they were more concerned with temporal matters? What are we now? Are we Gnostics now? Only spiritual matters and just forget about that physical stuff.
You haven't given me a bit of scriptural evidence to support what you have said. Justice in poverty and people in need is a priority in the Law, the Prophets and Jesus' ministry, yet what do we focus on again? Abortion and homosexuality. Am I the only one a tad confused here ? 
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Please do and make sure it's in the Theology part of the forum....
It sure will be. Right now we are discussing why politicians are making priority to do things that are barely in the Bible at the moment 
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I see... The poor are an issue, abortion isn't.... The picture is getting more clear now...
Priority Priority Priority. The Poor really is all over the Bible, why is this a taboo subject? Abortion in itself is not in the Bible, I can accept this, why can nobody else?
The picture is the Bible is more strong on social justice than we are. Am I the only one who finds this rather disturbing?
Shouldn't we encourage our politicans to EVEN if its just something as simple as helping those in need out? But of course abortion and homosexuality. The barely things in the Bible are must be top priority.
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You sure?
Few means three or less, do you have scripture to give me four places? I can quote you all night long on what I am trying to prove.
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The poor are the top priority to God in the Bible? Truth be told God is the top priority in the Bible...
John
Wait now, I thought abortion and homosexuality were the top priority now "Truth be Told" is the top priority? Which is it? I am trying to show you what is a more prominant theme is. We are not discussing salvation. That is for another thread. We are discussing political top priorities.
Do you not want to do what God wants you to do with this subject? Why do you persist in not giving me scripture to back yourself up? Is it because there is nothing much to say?
This is the second time you've responded without the use of the Bible
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