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Sophie11 -> The Tragic End of Bush's North Korea Policy (6/30/2008 11:05:58 PM)

The Tragic End of Bush's North Korea Policy



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: The Tragic End of Bush's North Korea Policy (6/30/2008 11:30:02 PM)

Sophie,
What would you have us do-go to war with North Korea?

From the very start, for those who have failed to hear and remember, the war on terror has always been designed to be fought on many levels throughout the world for as long as it takes. Korea is an instance in which diplomacy is the only way for us to go because Korea not only has to worry about us but China whose support and quidance Korea can not exist without.

I do not believe that neither our country, nor the Bush administration fully trusts Korea, but if diplomacy is to work we must give them a chance to prove themselves. We must give China a chance to exercise its influence.

Will Korea continue to supoport terrorism and provide nucleat material and technology to other countries? Probably. But now it must be very clear to them that not only are we, the Chinese, but the world is going to be keeping a close eye one them.



Sophie11 -> RE: The Tragic End of Bush's North Korea Policy (6/30/2008 11:38:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leon_Figg3

Sophie,
What would you have us do-go to war with North Korea?


I didn't give the article it's name, I copied and pasted.

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I do not believe that neither our country, nor the Bush administration fully trusts Korea, but if diplomacy is to work we must give them a chance to prove themselves.


The problem is we did and they didn't.



galadriel2 -> RE: The Tragic End of Bush's North Korea Policy (7/2/2008 9:55:33 AM)

I don't know if you are referring to John Bolton's article, but I did post a response to that on another website. I think we need to get back to two mindsets - 1) 'gentle dogmatism' as A. W. Tozer calls it, and 2) James Madison's view of men: 'If the impulse and the opportunity be suffered to coincide, we well know that neither moral nor religious motives can be relied on as an adequate control. They are not found to be such on the injustice and violence of individuals, and lose their efficacy in proportion to the number combined together, that is, in proportion as their efficacy becomes needful.' (Federalist Paper #10) What Madison is talking about here is how people behave when they get into positions of power and how a faction (which he defines as a subgroup in society that shares common goals, beliefs, etc.,)...how a faction, once in power, will oppress other people who oppose it if it can....We have been giving North Korea, Iran, etc., plenty of time to prove themselves. I think it best to understand things as Madison does here. They aren't going to change - not without Christ. I should probably add for balance that Libya did change their policy on nuclear ambitions without Christ. Probably going to war in Iraq had a lot to do with that. I don't know for sure. If we can give the North Koreans a deal that will satisfy their own selfish ambitions and not be nuclear - that would work, it seems to me. But does such a deal exist? Maybe we should scare them to death the way we did Khadafi?

God bless all,
Galadriel2



TaoPoohBear -> RE: The Tragic End of Bush's North Korea Policy (7/2/2008 12:23:18 PM)

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Nothing can erase the ineffable sadness of an American presidency, like this one, in total intellectual collapse.

The word "collapse" implies there was a stable structure to begin with.
The Bush foreign policy might be considered cowboy - if said cowboy chews loco weed while tending the cattle and occasionally rides into town to get drunk & shoot out the windows.



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